Poll: Why don't they just have keybord/mouse functionality on the consoles?

[Netrigan]

You know, the whole argument that a mouse is more precise than a controller is one that I just never bought. I know a keyboard has more options for buttons and such but they only games I've every really needed the keyboard/mouse for is RTS's other than that I don't see them as superior. Don't get me wrong though every since my 360 broke back in 06 I've been a PC gamer since because of the modding and that Digital distribution has really been my only option to buy games. Though I miss the comfort of console gaming, kicking back on the couch, gripping a controller tightly while slamming buttons as I quest or kill hoards of enemies was my past time. Might pick up again now that I live in a city and its easier to get a hold of the gear.

Anyways, yeah consoles should have the option. Prolly will someday, or maybe gaming computers will get cheaper and more main stream and accessible. OR maybe the only games will be able to play is on facebook and the Iphone 1000 or whatever apple will come out with next.

Movement on a console might be slightly better, but it's aiming where the differences are dramatically different. Not only do you have the speed to turn around instantly, but fine-tuning your aim is a lot easier.

Check out some Quake gameplay videos on YouTube to watch some of the madness an experienced player can achieve with practice. Videos are actually a bit hard to watch because there's so many instant 90 degree or 180 degree movements, making it look like there was a framerate problem... there isn't, that's just how quickly you can turn. And a good mouse aimer can pin-point any position in his range of movement instantly... so long as the game didn't link mouse movement to framerate, as Unreal Tournament did, which is why it never enjoyed popularity on the professional gaming circuit.

Most players never achieve that level of skill and the console controller is a fair substitute for an average skill level (I'm probably at about 90% effectiveness on a console controller). But for the player willing to put in the time and effort, the mouse is a far superior aiming device. It's not an accident that PC shooters eliminated aiming assistance once they switched to mouselook (early FPS often used keyboard keys to look up and down) and it's not an accident that aiming assistance is standard for a console shooter.

 

[Techno Squidgy]

The first console that does this is a console that I will never be buying. Mouse just gives a ridiculous kind of control to veterans and nobody wants that tossed in with all the modded controllers already circulating. You think the 10 sensitivity guys are bad on consoles? It's robotic on the PC. Most people don't stand a chance.

You're making it out as though there's some kind of elite class of uber keyboard and mouse warriors who decimate all other players so that no one else can get good. At least, that's the impression you're post has given me.

I'm primarily a PC gamer, so I'm not familiar with modded controllers, what kind of advantage do they give?

I don't like the whole, "most people don't stand a chance" bit. That's a touch ridiculous. I find it to be quite a level playing field for the most part.

 

[veloper]

Aiming assistance on console FPS, but not commonly on PC, is enough evidence of M&K superiority. PC shooters just don't need it.

 

[Something Amyss]

PCs have a far more open system. That's generally what I prefer about the platform.

There was a proper mouse attachment for the original Xbox. Caused massive problems for online where it provided massive advantages.

And that's why we don't see it as an option.

 

[PissOffRoth]

You're making it out as though there's some kind of elite class of uber keyboard and mouse warriors who decimate all other players so that no one else can get good. At least, that's the impression you're post has given me.

I'm primarily a PC gamer, so I'm not familiar with modded controllers, what kind of advantage do they give?

I don't like the whole, "most people don't stand a chance" bit. That's a touch ridiculous. I find it to be quite a level playing field for the most part.

My PC FPS experience was with CS: Source. The best of the best played there and they really were on a completely different level. I'm pretty good at shooters, but they made me look like I was playing with my face. This isn't just one instance either, there were just a higher number of incredibly skilled players. I've never had that kind of problem with a console, in any game. I don't pretend to understand it, I'm just stating my experience with PC shooters.

As for modded controllers, they can do anything from applying full-auto fire to semi-auto weapons to eliminating scope drift. And they are very obtainable, despite the fact that they are a breach of contract with Xbox LIVE and PSN.

If you believe that it's fair to pit mouse against analog, see the link below:
http://www.rahulsood.com/2010/07/console-gamers-get-killed-against-pc.html
If that isn't a study to prove that PC gamers just outclass console gamers, I don't know what is.

 

[Techno Squidgy]

My PC FPS experience was with CS: Source. The best of the best played there and they really were on a completely different level. I'm pretty good at shooters, but they made me look like I was playing with my face. This isn't just one instance either, there were just a higher number of incredibly skilled players. I've never had that kind of problem with a console, in any game. I don't pretend to understand it, I'm just stating my experience with PC shooters.

As for modded controllers, they can do anything from applying full-auto fire to semi-auto weapons to eliminating scope drift. And they are very obtainable, despite the fact that they are a breach of contract with Xbox LIVE and PSN.

If you believe that it's fair to pit mouse against analog, see the link below:
http://www.rahulsood.com/2010/07/console-gamers-get-killed-against-pc.html
If that isn't a study to prove that PC gamers just outclass console gamers, I don't know what is.

Ah, CS:S. No wonder. The learning curve on that game is ridiculous, no wonder you struggled. I've been playing PC Fps games for quite some time and I still get absolutely wrecked at every iteration of CS.

Also I only just understood what you meant when you said "most people wouldn't stand a chance". I thought you meant purely Keyboard + Mouse, you mean Keyboard + mouse against controllers. Yeah I'll agree with you there, K+M will decimate gamepads nine times out of ten.

On PC, with games like CoD and BF it's a much more level playing field than CS or old school FPS games like Unreal and Quake. Probably due to the much lower skill ceiling in CoD/BF.

 

[Signa]

I don't know about the ps3 and Wii, but with the 360, Microsoft will not allow a game to pass certification if the game functions with either a mouse or a keyboard. It's their fault.

I know some PS3 games do allow mice, and with the Wii, I feel no need to have one because the pointer works almost as well. Actually, I don't know why so many devs fail to put M/K controls on their games on the PS3, because you'd think that someone would realize that's a selling point.

 

[GeorgW]

You can use them, there just aren't any games that supports them.
I'd like it, maybe it'd but a dent in the PC vs console wars.

 

[DexterNorgam]

Pfft, its far less about keyboard/mouse superiority in fps games than its about keyboard/mouse's inferiority at being a jack of all trades controller.

Yea there are several instances where I would prefer keyboard/mouse, but there are also many where I would not. Controllers don't really excel at any genre, sticks are better in fighters, wheels are better in racers, but the nice thing about a controller is I can reasonably operate any game I throw at it... Barring bad programming of controls of course.

 

[Stall]

You already can use a M+K on a console: http://xim3.com/

This thread is pointless. Try doing a google search or two before you make a thread over something that is a reality.

 

[GundamSentinel]

I wouldn't mind, but I wouldn't use it. I usually game from my bed or my couch so using a mouse and keyboard wouldn't really work for me.

 

[shiajun]

Well, the hardware support is there. It's developers that don't want it implement software support, I guess mostly because of limits placed on them by the console maker. Which sucks because, you see, PC gamers have both. Plug in a gamepad (any gamepad, not just the 360 wireless, I don't have one and frequently play with a gamepad) or use the KB/M combination. Your choice. Hunched over of laid back. Watch on your PC's screen or plug into your TV. It's always about choice. That's the main difference between consoles and PCs, not the controller. In consoles you are not supposed to have choice since it's a closed system and the manufacturer will have complete control of controller design, peripherals, community interaction, modding capabilities, and gets a cut of everything, mostly. You'd have to change the philosphy of consoles to even start seeing widespread support of different controller schemes in consoles. Of course, such control usually comes attached to some very streamlined systems that reduce hassle.

 

[Twad]

If you can plug you mouse/keyboard on your consolde, that's lost sales (controllers) for the console compagny. Plus, console games arent designed with mouse/keyboard in mind.

 

[BoredRolePlayer]

I bought a 3.5 head set jack to usb adapter for my PC and it works no my PS3

 

[BoredRolePlayer]

My friend has that for PSO on the gamecube

 

[w9496]

No, because the player with a mouse will most likely dominate shooters like Call of Duty, due to the precise control it offers. The main thing that controllers bring to the table is that they're han-held, and can move in any direction, where the keyboard is limited to 8 directions.

 

[Ddgafd]

There are, and they all suck. I have one and it's the most unresponsive thing I've ever wasted money on.

 

[orangeapples]

You already can use a M+K on a console: http://xim3.com/

This thread is pointless. Try doing a google search or two before you make a thread over something that is a reality.

I'm not talking about a third party adapter, I'm talking about first party support.

your post is entirely pointless.

 

[Stall]

I'm not talking about a third party adapter, I'm talking about first party support.

your post is entirely pointless.

And? There is still keyboard and mouse functionality. How is my post pointless? Judging by your original post, you didn't even know such a thing existed.

Seriously. How is pointing out that such functionality actually exists is pointless? I'm sorry that your post was just absolutely pointless, but don't insult me just because you didn't feel like doing a modicum of research before posting.

You CAN use keyboard and mouse on console. What is there it discuss?

 

[Loud Hawk]

I play Xbox using a keyboard and mouse, using this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSFJd2G-wIg

It works quite well.