After seeing some interesting comments on another thread, I decided to start one dedicated to this. I'd also like to add that History is not my Forte, but I have a general idea of what happens.
BEFORE YOU POST ON ANYTHING INCORRECT IF YOU SAY "YOU TARD YOU HAVE IT WRONG YOU RETARD" YOU ARE A TROLL AND I RECCOMEND EVERYONE REPORTS SAID USERS. If you are going to correct this information, say what and why Not you idiot you have it all wrong. Be polite as this is intended to be a honest discussion.
Please note I'm refferring to the British forces in the area as Canadians, mainly due to the fact that their childrens children will probably become canadian.
Now from what I can personally remember There was a big kerfuffle when the British had the napolean wars, and the US was helping out the French, and thus the British put a trade policy on US of some sort. US Dclared war, and tried to push the british out of America, and eventually out of Canada (Soon to be canada.... ) And then after British finished it's job with the French, they dropped the trade thing on the USA, but funny thing is that the USA didn't succeed at all in Canada, they didn't accomplish their main objective where as the British did, that being defend Canada. Any ways I was not aware of the entire situation, and thus I called upon the internet to help. I'd also like to add that if USA did win The nCanada would be a part of the USA
A person asked a similar question as I and he/she explains what happend.
Just looking at that it looks like we won, and it's confusing me greatly.
So I ask you Escapists, Why is it that some Americans believe that their Country won the war of 1812?
Credit goes to "super ryan" for making the spoiler article. It's not mine I'm using as a very large example to reinforce my idea.
Thanks for posting and reading, and keep the trolls under the bridge, and please inform me as to errors in history, as I'd like to personally know what happened.
BEFORE YOU POST ON ANYTHING INCORRECT IF YOU SAY "YOU TARD YOU HAVE IT WRONG YOU RETARD" YOU ARE A TROLL AND I RECCOMEND EVERYONE REPORTS SAID USERS. If you are going to correct this information, say what and why Not you idiot you have it all wrong. Be polite as this is intended to be a honest discussion.
Please note I'm refferring to the British forces in the area as Canadians, mainly due to the fact that their childrens children will probably become canadian.
Now from what I can personally remember There was a big kerfuffle when the British had the napolean wars, and the US was helping out the French, and thus the British put a trade policy on US of some sort. US Dclared war, and tried to push the british out of America, and eventually out of Canada (Soon to be canada.... ) And then after British finished it's job with the French, they dropped the trade thing on the USA, but funny thing is that the USA didn't succeed at all in Canada, they didn't accomplish their main objective where as the British did, that being defend Canada. Any ways I was not aware of the entire situation, and thus I called upon the internet to help. I'd also like to add that if USA did win The nCanada would be a part of the USA
A person asked a similar question as I and he/she explains what happend.
I'm curious why so many Americans think the War of 1812 was won by America. Is it taught in school that way?
In Canada we are taught it was a tie. If you look at the Treaty of Ghent, all pre war borders would be reinstated, and no surrender by either side. The treaty was mainly struck because the reasons for the war no longer existed. The short of it was that Britain was at war with France (the Naploeonic War), and the U.S. was giving the French assistance. So the British put trade barriers on America. Soon America declared war, and the War of 1812 begun. During the War of 1812, the Napoleonic War ended. After the Napoleonic War ended Britain no longer needed to place trade sanctions on America. This is what led to the Treaty of Ghent.
But if you had to go to the judges score card I would say Britain / Canada gets the decision.
America Britain / Canada
2,260 KIA 1,600
4,505 Wounded 3,679
4,535 Death from Disease / Weather 3,321
11,200 Total 8,600
At the end of the war Britain / Canada had gained 10,000,000 acres of American land, all of which was given back under the peace treaty.
And my favorite tit-for tat of the war. The Battle of York was fought on April 27th, 1813. It was a raid by the Americans on the city of York (present day Toronto), the Americans forces outnumbered the local forces by over a two to one margin. The British commander soon called for a retreat of his forces, on his way out he had one of his own ships set on fire and blew up his ammo stockhouse, this may have been the cause for the American troops to loot the city and set some buildings on fire. Although the City of York suffered a great amount of property damage, the Americans suffered much greater casualty numbers.
Most would consider the Burning of Washington retaliation for the Battle of York. The Burning of Washington occured on August 24th, 1814. 4,250 British Soldiers marched into an undefended American capital, they were met with almost no risistence (only one family tried to fight them off). The British commander knew he did not have enough forces to hold the city (pretty smart knew how hard it is to occupy foreign soil). Sohe ordered his soldiers to cause as much damage to the city as possible, they burned down many buildings including, the White House and the Capital Building. There were no casualties on either side during the Burning of Washington, although the British forces did suffer from several deaths due to weather.
The War of 1812 was fought for reasons that disolved during its coarse. Neither side made any gains from the other after the peace treaty. Both sides had victories and defeat. Neither side was in any possition to surrender at the end of the war.
It should also be noted that all sides involved benefitted from this war (except for France). America gained pride and unity in its nation after going to war with Britain twice without defeat. Britain was able to defeat France, after taking away American assistance to the French. And Canada gained a bitof its identity, this war helped unite Canada as a country, independent of Britain.
So I ask again, why do so many Americans think that the War of 1812 was a victory for America?
In Canada we are taught it was a tie. If you look at the Treaty of Ghent, all pre war borders would be reinstated, and no surrender by either side. The treaty was mainly struck because the reasons for the war no longer existed. The short of it was that Britain was at war with France (the Naploeonic War), and the U.S. was giving the French assistance. So the British put trade barriers on America. Soon America declared war, and the War of 1812 begun. During the War of 1812, the Napoleonic War ended. After the Napoleonic War ended Britain no longer needed to place trade sanctions on America. This is what led to the Treaty of Ghent.
But if you had to go to the judges score card I would say Britain / Canada gets the decision.
America Britain / Canada
2,260 KIA 1,600
4,505 Wounded 3,679
4,535 Death from Disease / Weather 3,321
11,200 Total 8,600
At the end of the war Britain / Canada had gained 10,000,000 acres of American land, all of which was given back under the peace treaty.
And my favorite tit-for tat of the war. The Battle of York was fought on April 27th, 1813. It was a raid by the Americans on the city of York (present day Toronto), the Americans forces outnumbered the local forces by over a two to one margin. The British commander soon called for a retreat of his forces, on his way out he had one of his own ships set on fire and blew up his ammo stockhouse, this may have been the cause for the American troops to loot the city and set some buildings on fire. Although the City of York suffered a great amount of property damage, the Americans suffered much greater casualty numbers.
Most would consider the Burning of Washington retaliation for the Battle of York. The Burning of Washington occured on August 24th, 1814. 4,250 British Soldiers marched into an undefended American capital, they were met with almost no risistence (only one family tried to fight them off). The British commander knew he did not have enough forces to hold the city (pretty smart knew how hard it is to occupy foreign soil). Sohe ordered his soldiers to cause as much damage to the city as possible, they burned down many buildings including, the White House and the Capital Building. There were no casualties on either side during the Burning of Washington, although the British forces did suffer from several deaths due to weather.
The War of 1812 was fought for reasons that disolved during its coarse. Neither side made any gains from the other after the peace treaty. Both sides had victories and defeat. Neither side was in any possition to surrender at the end of the war.
It should also be noted that all sides involved benefitted from this war (except for France). America gained pride and unity in its nation after going to war with Britain twice without defeat. Britain was able to defeat France, after taking away American assistance to the French. And Canada gained a bitof its identity, this war helped unite Canada as a country, independent of Britain.
So I ask again, why do so many Americans think that the War of 1812 was a victory for America?
So I ask you Escapists, Why is it that some Americans believe that their Country won the war of 1812?
Credit goes to "super ryan" for making the spoiler article. It's not mine I'm using as a very large example to reinforce my idea.
Thanks for posting and reading, and keep the trolls under the bridge, and please inform me as to errors in history, as I'd like to personally know what happened.
