Poll: WikiLeaks - Good or bad?

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FalloutJack

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*Laughs*

Really? A Wiki page for leaked information which could be just rumor and speculation as is? By its nature, a Wiki is not intrinsically reliable. With literally anyone being able to get at the information and staff being questionable in their modship, you cannot take any Wiki page for face value. So this has even less a chance of working right.
 

Giest4life

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Good. It's damn good. Although it's like dust against the inevitable wall of dystopian government, these tremors of hope feel so damn good.
 

Jegsimmons

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these leaked documents can seriously cost peoples lives. no matter how you put it its illegal activity and harming people's jobs and lives. Im not saying that america hasnt made a boo boo here or their but the documents are secret for a reason, this wikileaks guy is just an american hater. its one thing if a journalist discovers one thing and reports it, but this guy is useing STOLEN DOCUMENTS.
yes i am an american but it would still be wrong if it happened to just about any country.
and whos to say he wont do it to another country like the U.K.?
 

Timbydude

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FalloutJack said:
*Laughs*

Really? A Wiki page for leaked information which could be just rumor and speculation as is? By its nature, a Wiki is not intrinsically reliable. With literally anyone being able to get at the information and staff being questionable in their modship, you cannot take any Wiki page for face value. So this has even less a chance of working right.
The name is just a coincidence. I'm pretty sure that only the guy who runs the site can actually edit it. Plus, he doesn't seem to post just rumor; he actually puts classified documents/videos on the site, which seem fairly irrefutable as evidence.
 

FalloutJack

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Timbydude said:
FalloutJack said:
*Laughs*

Really? A Wiki page for leaked information which could be just rumor and speculation as is? By its nature, a Wiki is not intrinsically reliable. With literally anyone being able to get at the information and staff being questionable in their modship, you cannot take any Wiki page for face value. So this has even less a chance of working right.
The name is just a coincidence. I'm pretty sure that only the guy who runs the site can actually edit it. Plus, he doesn't seem to post just rumor; he actually puts classified documents/videos on the site, which seem fairly irrefutable as evidence.
Alright, I can accept that. It's just a bad choice in names, I guess.
 

BlumiereBleck

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Well isn't the creator on the most top wanted list? Technically the website in American posting secrets up is High Treason.....BRING OUT THE GUILLOTINE!!!!!!
 

the clockmaker

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I_am_a_Spoon said:
the clockmaker said:
Hellz_Barz said:
the clockmaker said:
Also, he claims to have been in contact with 'Australian intelligence' now I don't know about you guys, but if my job was information dissemination, I would at least be able to name the agency that contacted me, ASIO ASIS DIO DSA or DSD, AFP maybe, no one who has had contact with these groups would simply call them Australian intelligence.
He must mean something else when he said Australian Intelligence, cause no way would any arm of the government sellout America. Unless hes got a new source amongst them, but i doubt it cause those departments are way too conservative to be on his side.
Thats what Im saying, the DSD for example has a motto of 'protect our secrets, reveal their own'. Does that sound like the kind of agency that would cooperate with someone who is trying to reveal our secrets? I think he's talking out of his arse.
It's possible that he was talking about a leak within one of our Intelligence agencies.

Or he was deliberately being vague, in order to avoid any naming-and-shaming.
But the agencies are large enough that naming one would not reveal which individual helped him, and I'm not talking tidbits of information here, he's claimed that they've advised him on his own safety. The agencies are also close enough that one leak shames them all. Don't think of it as like the FBI CIA or NSA in the states, down here its more like infantry, armoured and signals, differant faces of the same sort of people, from that though, they have very differant jobs and if he can't name which agency talked to him, I very much doubt that any did.
 

blind_dead_mcjones

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wikileaks is neither good or bad, they're simply messengers, nothing more. if any governement or agency wants someone to blame for the various leaks its themselves
 

Bon_Clay

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Hard to say, I haven't looked at ever single thing they leaked. There are such things as legitimate secrets for the government to be keeping. Leaking certain things provides no benefit for people and could have negative consequences.

On the other hand some stuff could be bringing to light things people should be held accountable for. And some stuff is trivial crap no one cares about.
 

Nouw

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bladeofdarkness said:
its absolutely horrible, and will end up severely damaging Diplomatic relations between many different states.
bad enough when this was just about the U.S's dirty secrets, but now WikiLeaks is exposing everyone's dirty secrets.
which sounds nice on papar, until you realize that if people feel that they can't discuss their real concerns openly for fear that they will end up in the press swiftly afterwards, then it lowers diplomatic discussion to a very low level.
I have to agree, it's good to not hide stuff but discussion between countries might be a bit awkward.

"So how's the nurse?"
"How's the bomb making?" and etc
 

WanderingFool

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Well... Im undecided.

One one hand, I think its a good thing to show just what secrets a govornment is keeping from its people. I think people should know about a chopper shelling civilians, as it very well may have been completely ignored by the military. Once information is exposed, people will have to deal with it...

On the other, Once information is exposed, people will have to deal with it. Not just the corrupt officials, but people like humanitarian aid workers in the places where if they find out who you are and what you are doing, you'll probably wind up dead. This information not only hurts the Bad Guys, but some of the poeple that are trying to make a positive difference in this world. Plus this may end up raising tension in this world, tension we dont fucking need.

For all we know, the 2012 doomsday theory could be the whole world nukes itself becaus nobody trusts anybody, all because of fucking WikiLeaks. Doubtful, but we may not know until its proven true... and that would be all but to late.


Now, not on topic, but how do some of you people change what it says under you name in the idtag on the side of the forum posts?
 

Smooth Operator

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Timbydude said:
I'm personally quite against the idea of the site. Confidential things are confidential for a reason, and revealing the secret dealings of two of the "good guys" in the world (the UK and the US, although from what I hear, a lot of the world doesn't think that we Americans are all that "good" for some reason) is not going to help anything. I would be shocked if almost every other government didn't do the exact same things; however, the leaked information doesn't really do anything other than to sew distrust in governments that really (if you look through the documents) didn't do anything wrong.
Well as contrast you should know that Nazis were convinced they are the good guys and are rightfully exterminating terrorists... no wait... people they didn't like.

I support wikileaks without a doubt, people should know what's really going on, because the US is extremely good on selling the "good" fight story and pulling this nice little veil over all the invasions.
Damn if Hitler had the idea of selling war as good we would probably have half the damn globe under his rule.
Fact of the matter is war is ugly, and it's serving individuals own agendas, there is alot of shit politicians don't want you to see, and that is exactly why you should.
 

Kortney

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Nothing wrong with what Wiki Leaks did at all. The Government should not be in a position to keep secrets from the public they are supposed to represent.

That's just how I see it.
 

The Youth Counselor

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Jegsimmons said:
these leaked documents can seriously cost peoples lives. no matter how you put it its illegal activity and harming people's jobs and lives. Im not saying that america hasnt made a boo boo here or their but the documents are secret for a reason, this wikileaks guy is just an american hater. its one thing if a journalist discovers one thing and reports it, but this guy is useing STOLEN DOCUMENTS.
yes i am an american but it would still be wrong if it happened to just about any country.
and whos to say he wont do it to another country like the U.K.?
Facepalm+ Infinity.

WikiLeaks Front Page said:
Wikileaks was founded by CHINESE DISSIDENTS, journalists, mathematicians and startup company technologists"
Yes, WikiLeaks publishes a lot of information on all sorts of countries and organizations but nobody seems to care about that. Off the top of my head are some underreported international stories that broke on WikiLeaks:

China:
*Photographs of the detainment, torture, and executions of Falun Gong practitioners.
*Documents on China's harvesting of condemned prisoners' organs.
*List of government state TV and internet search engine censored keywords.
*Video of the torture of an employee of the manufacturing giant Foxconn (who exclusively makes iphone and ipods) who allegedly lost or stole an iphone prototype.
*Records of dozens of employees who commited suicide at Foxconn.
*Documents that allude Foxconn bribing politicians.
*Plans for mobile execution chambers.
*Video of a politician walking with a young girl who then runs away from him accusing him of attempted rape.
*Information that shows that the Beijing politburo like the rest of the world is frustrated with North Korea, and favors Seoul.

Iran:
*Footage and documents concerning the executions of LGBT Iranians.
*Criteria to be diagnosed as a transsexual to receive sexual reassignment surgery.
*Documents that record weapons imported (including SAMS, shaped charges, and missiles) to help the Iraqi insurgency against the Coalition.
*Documents that indicate Iran's training of suicide bombers and other militants to attack the Coalition and Israel.
*Documents that detail drones sent by Iran to spy on U.S. operations and attacks by their special forces groups.
*Reports that the Ayatollah is near death.

North Korea:
*Documents that reveal they had sold weapons to Al Qaeda and the Taliban.
*Documents that they are actively assisting and assisted by Syria and Iran.
*Training brochures for netizens to spread propaganda on external websites.
*Videos of executions, some at the DMZ next to South Korea.
*Details of torture of dissidents including children.
*Records of kidnapped foreigners.
*Financial records of the cost of a Pyongyang hotel that took up 2% of the national budget and was eventually abandoned.

Eastern Europe:
*Information that Dyncorp was trafficing minors into sexual slavery.

South Africa:
*Official charges of corruption against President Jacob Zuma.
*Official charges of rape against President Jacob Zuma.
*Allegations of bullying against President Jacob Zuma.

And WikiLeaks has done a hell of a lot more to protect the names of individuals who may face danger than the government has. Every one of their documents is first analyzed and the names and identities of parties are redacted for protection. That's a far cry from say what officials did to Valerie Plame.

Not exposing corruption and abuse while not holding ourselves accoutable for it makes us no better than the countries I listed.
 

Marcos Viveros

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Well, here are my five cents:

At best Government officials should focus time and energy in securing their data and prosecuting the official that gave the info to wikileaks not wikileaks itself. I am sick and tired that regular people is always being misled and being lied to; even more, I am afraid that officials will sway public opinion into thinking that "just for this ocassion" knowing the truth is not in our best interest.

Nobody should be prosecuted for telling/publishing the truth! Don't want your truth known? Secure it better!

Always defend the access to the truth!
Let's support the candles in the darkness!

Cheers!!!
 

Marcos Viveros

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It is happening to you my friend: (I am afraid that officials will sway public opinion into thinking that "just for this occasion" knowing the truth is not in our best interest)



At best Government officials should focus time and energy in securing their data and prosecuting the official that gave the info to wikileaks not wikileaks itself. I am sick and tired that regular people is always being misled and being lied to; even more, I am afraid that officials will sway public opinion into thinking that "just for this occasion" knowing the truth is not in our best interest.

Nobody should be prosecuted for telling/publishing the truth! Don't want your truth known? Secure it better!

Always defend the access to the truth!
Let's support the candles in the darkness!
 

Vianyte

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Governments are lying and manipulative. Anything or anyone that exposes them is a hero in my eyes.
 

GWarface

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Withholding holding the truth is bad...
Telling the truth is good...

WikiLeaks - +1
Lying Governments and industries - 0