Poll: Will Steam take over the world?

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SnowBurst

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Zachary Amaranth said:
SnowBurst said:
depends, id love to see a monopoly on consoles hate having to buy 3 diff ones
So don't buy three. You don't have to. Problem solved.
lol theres allways a simple solution. but ps3 has killzone and 360 has halo... pretty much only reasons i got them and wii for the lols but real gaming shizz is this laptop lol
 

Exius Xavarus

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You don't have to be a seeder to get in trouble. Downloading still gets you in trouble. Illegal copies, no matter how you look at it, are still illegal. It doesn't matter if you've paid for X game before, that doesn't mean you purchased any kind of right to access said game any which way you please. You purchased a license, not the game. And having your Steam membership revoked means having your license revoked.

Like a driver's license. I paid for my license and I have proven I'm competent enough to pass the test. But what if I'm reckless and do something to harm or kill someone and get my license revoked or held? Yeah, I CAN drive, but it's still illegal for me to do so.

Fair or not, the law is the law. You get caught, and consequences will be had.
 

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ExiusXavarus said:
Woodsey said:
You don't have to be a seeder to get in trouble. Downloading still gets you in trouble. Illegal copies, no matter how you look at it, are still illegal. It doesn't matter if you've paid for X game before, that doesn't mean you purchased any kind of right to access said game any which way you please. You purchased a license, not the game. And having your Steam membership revoked means having your license revoked.

Like a driver's license. I paid for my license and I have proven I'm competent enough to pass the test. But what if I'm reckless and do something to harm or kill someone and get my license revoked or held? Yeah, I CAN drive, but it's still illegal for me to do so.

Fair or not, the law is the law. You get caught, and consequences will be had.
So name a case.

All of the cases recently (hell, exclusively) that I can think of have involved the websites and their owners, not individual downloaders. And your comparison doesn't really hold up, if you've had your driving license revoked it's probably because you're likely to kill someone. You can be banned from your Origin account because you posted something nasty on the EA forums. Hell, one guy lost his account because he quoted some guy who had said something on the forums and the bots they use to ban people picked up on it as him being the one who had said it.

To be honest, Steam is far better separated, but I'm sure there've been a couple of mistakes in the past 10 years. And since it's most definitely not a matter of you potentially killing someone, it again doesn't really matter.

You're acting as if I'm suggesting some hugely dangerous gamble that really does make an Origin/Steam ban an insurmountable problem, but let's face it, it isn't that at all.
 

Exius Xavarus

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Woodsey said:
ExiusXavarus said:
Woodsey said:
You don't have to be a seeder to get in trouble. Downloading still gets you in trouble. Illegal copies, no matter how you look at it, are still illegal. It doesn't matter if you've paid for X game before, that doesn't mean you purchased any kind of right to access said game any which way you please. You purchased a license, not the game. And having your Steam membership revoked means having your license revoked.

Like a driver's license. I paid for my license and I have proven I'm competent enough to pass the test. But what if I'm reckless and do something to harm or kill someone and get my license revoked or held? Yeah, I CAN drive, but it's still illegal for me to do so.

Fair or not, the law is the law. You get caught, and consequences will be had.
So name a case.

All of the cases recently that I can think of have involved the websites and their owners, not individual downloaders. And your comparison doesn't really hold up, if you've had your driving license revoked it's probably because you're likely to kill someone. You can be banned from your Origin account because you posted something nasty on the EA forums. Hell, one guy lost his account because he quoted some guy who had said something on the forums and the bots they use to ban people picked up on it as him being the one who had said it.

To be honest, Steam is far better separated, but I'm sure there've been a couple of mistakes in the past 10 years. And since it's most definitely not a matter of you potentially killing someone, it again doesn't really matter.
The comparison was for the legality of these actions. If you lose your Steam account, you lose the license you paid for, allowing you to legally download those games. Because your license to that game is gone, the copies you download later are illegal. Doesn't matter that you've "paid your dues" or not.

If your driver's license is taken away, you lose your right to be on the road. Driving after the fact is still illegal for you to do. It doesn't matter if you've previously proven you're capable of safely driving or not.

I'm actually going to bed, this time. It's pointless to bother with somebody that thinks "it's not illegal until you're caught" is a valid option. My whole opinion at the start of this was that I don't think Steam is going to take over the world. And I'm not the only one with this opinion. Go badger them so they can defend themselves against your scrutiny instead, I've wasted more than enough time bothering with this.
 

TheDutch3Z

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ExiusXavarus said:
Woodsey said:
ExiusXavarus said:
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ExiusXavarus said:
Woodsey said:
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Woodsey said:
ExiusXavarus said:
Not everyone wants all of their games to be digital. I prefer my physical games. As long as people like me exist, I don't think Steam will take over the world. It'll become a big big service, but won't take over the world.
In 20 years you'll be fossilised. Whether Steam is still around by then or not remains to be seen, but completely digital stuff will have 'taken over the world', most definitely.

ExiusXavarus said:
Being banned from Origin or Steam doesn't really matter though, does it? It's a pain, I'm sure, but it's not like you can't play games you've bought any more. (Shifty eyes are implied, here, obviously.)
I'm pretty sure that if your Steam/Origin account gets banned, all games you bought with that account are lost. Seeing as you can't, you know, access the account.

And I won't be fossilized, even if digital distribution becomes a primary market, physical games are going to simply disappear. Have music albums on physical discs disappear? No? Case and point, friend.
Not yet. They will, obviously.

And take a hint. As long as you've paid for your shit there's hardly any moral objection to acquiring it elsewhere. You just won't have it neatly accessible through Steam.
There's no hint to be taken. It doesn't matter if you can acquire your games elsewhere for free or not. The fact of the matter is that if your Steam/Origin account is banned, you can't access those games via Steam or Origin. Meaning that all those games you legally purchased through Steam or Origin are permanently lost, until you make another account and purchase them again, or purchase them for a console, or whatever else. And illegal copies are still illegal whether you've previously purchased the game or not. It has nothing to do with morality.
So? You're not going to be picked up for it, and you've paid your dues to those involved. Who gives a shit? And I didn't say you could still access them via Steam or Origin. I said you could still access them.
Yeah, in an attempt to make my own argument appear incapable of holding water, which isn't at all the case.
No, I was just pointing out that you were wrong about what I said - and I'd hate for you to come across as if you were trying to undermine my argument by pretending I'd said things I hadn't.

The bottom line is this: a Steam/Origin ban is an inconvenience at most. That's it. It's certainly not "bye bye money, bye bye games".
The problem is that it's still illegal. You CAN get picked up for illegal downloading, and if you're caught, the punishment will not be small. My point was that if your accounts are banned, your legal copies are gone. Poof. And thus, your money spent on legal copies of the game which can be downloaded without the risk of being prosecuted for illegal downloading.
Actually in steam case you still can download and play the games on your account if you get banned , but you cant trade , buy new games and use steam workshop.
 

BartyMae

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Oh, I thought the poll was about the actual entire world. Like, everything.

That said, I chose yes.
 

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TheDutch3Z said:
ExiusXavarus said:
Woodsey said:
ExiusXavarus said:
Woodsey said:
ExiusXavarus said:
Woodsey said:
ExiusXavarus said:
Woodsey said:
ExiusXavarus said:
Not everyone wants all of their games to be digital. I prefer my physical games. As long as people like me exist, I don't think Steam will take over the world. It'll become a big big service, but won't take over the world.
In 20 years you'll be fossilised. Whether Steam is still around by then or not remains to be seen, but completely digital stuff will have 'taken over the world', most definitely.

ExiusXavarus said:
Being banned from Origin or Steam doesn't really matter though, does it? It's a pain, I'm sure, but it's not like you can't play games you've bought any more. (Shifty eyes are implied, here, obviously.)
I'm pretty sure that if your Steam/Origin account gets banned, all games you bought with that account are lost. Seeing as you can't, you know, access the account.

And I won't be fossilized, even if digital distribution becomes a primary market, physical games are going to simply disappear. Have music albums on physical discs disappear? No? Case and point, friend.
Not yet. They will, obviously.

And take a hint. As long as you've paid for your shit there's hardly any moral objection to acquiring it elsewhere. You just won't have it neatly accessible through Steam.
There's no hint to be taken. It doesn't matter if you can acquire your games elsewhere for free or not. The fact of the matter is that if your Steam/Origin account is banned, you can't access those games via Steam or Origin. Meaning that all those games you legally purchased through Steam or Origin are permanently lost, until you make another account and purchase them again, or purchase them for a console, or whatever else. And illegal copies are still illegal whether you've previously purchased the game or not. It has nothing to do with morality.
So? You're not going to be picked up for it, and you've paid your dues to those involved. Who gives a shit? And I didn't say you could still access them via Steam or Origin. I said you could still access them.
Yeah, in an attempt to make my own argument appear incapable of holding water, which isn't at all the case.
No, I was just pointing out that you were wrong about what I said - and I'd hate for you to come across as if you were trying to undermine my argument by pretending I'd said things I hadn't.

The bottom line is this: a Steam/Origin ban is an inconvenience at most. That's it. It's certainly not "bye bye money, bye bye games".
The problem is that it's still illegal. You CAN get picked up for illegal downloading, and if you're caught, the punishment will not be small. My point was that if your accounts are banned, your legal copies are gone. Poof. And thus, your money spent on legal copies of the game which can be downloaded without the risk of being prosecuted for illegal downloading.
Actually in steam case you still can download and play the games on your account if you get banned , but you cant trade , buy new games and use steam workshop.
Errr, yes and no.
What you're talking about is a VAC Ban. Which is essentially you cheated in a game and we're disabling/crippling you as punishment. However, other reasons can and has led to full account disables (aka you can't access it at all).
 

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ExiusXavarus said:
SnowBurst said:
ExiusXavarus said:
Not everyone wants all of their games to be digital. I prefer my physical games. As long as people like me exist, I don't think Steam will take over the world. It'll become a big big service, but won't take over the world.
I used to be like you wanting the disc but then i realized discs break then your fucked whereas on steam I can royally bone the crap out of it and then re download it for free which seems to be the general opinion i can see physical games dying out in the next 5-10 years because of stuff like on live (i know it died its just the concept it had) and steam
I don't have to worry about my games getting broken. I am what appears to be one of the few people in the world that actually takes care of their games. Treat your equipment well, it'll treat you well.
Yeah but in the extreme case of someone breaking into your house or fire/flood damage your physical copy is gone where your digital is secure on steam.
 

TheDutch3Z

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Rednog said:
TheDutch3Z said:
ExiusXavarus said:
Woodsey said:
ExiusXavarus said:
Woodsey said:
ExiusXavarus said:
Woodsey said:
ExiusXavarus said:
Woodsey said:
ExiusXavarus said:
Not everyone wants all of their games to be digital. I prefer my physical games. As long as people like me exist, I don't think Steam will take over the world. It'll become a big big service, but won't take over the world.
In 20 years you'll be fossilised. Whether Steam is still around by then or not remains to be seen, but completely digital stuff will have 'taken over the world', most definitely.

ExiusXavarus said:
Being banned from Origin or Steam doesn't really matter though, does it? It's a pain, I'm sure, but it's not like you can't play games you've bought any more. (Shifty eyes are implied, here, obviously.)
I'm pretty sure that if your Steam/Origin account gets banned, all games you bought with that account are lost. Seeing as you can't, you know, access the account.

And I won't be fossilized, even if digital distribution becomes a primary market, physical games are going to simply disappear. Have music albums on physical discs disappear? No? Case and point, friend.
Not yet. They will, obviously.

And take a hint. As long as you've paid for your shit there's hardly any moral objection to acquiring it elsewhere. You just won't have it neatly accessible through Steam.
There's no hint to be taken. It doesn't matter if you can acquire your games elsewhere for free or not. The fact of the matter is that if your Steam/Origin account is banned, you can't access those games via Steam or Origin. Meaning that all those games you legally purchased through Steam or Origin are permanently lost, until you make another account and purchase them again, or purchase them for a console, or whatever else. And illegal copies are still illegal whether you've previously purchased the game or not. It has nothing to do with morality.
So? You're not going to be picked up for it, and you've paid your dues to those involved. Who gives a shit? And I didn't say you could still access them via Steam or Origin. I said you could still access them.
Yeah, in an attempt to make my own argument appear incapable of holding water, which isn't at all the case.
No, I was just pointing out that you were wrong about what I said - and I'd hate for you to come across as if you were trying to undermine my argument by pretending I'd said things I hadn't.

The bottom line is this: a Steam/Origin ban is an inconvenience at most. That's it. It's certainly not "bye bye money, bye bye games".
The problem is that it's still illegal. You CAN get picked up for illegal downloading, and if you're caught, the punishment will not be small. My point was that if your accounts are banned, your legal copies are gone. Poof. And thus, your money spent on legal copies of the game which can be downloaded without the risk of being prosecuted for illegal downloading.
Actually in steam case you still can download and play the games on your account if you get banned , but you cant trade , buy new games and use steam workshop.
Errr, yes and no.
What you're talking about is a VAC Ban. Which is essentially you cheated in a game and we're disabling/crippling you as punishment. However, other reasons can and has led to full account disables (aka you can't access it at all).
You sure?
http://www.shacknews.com/article/73450/steam-account-bans-no-longer-take-away-all-your-games
 

Silent Protagonist

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Sorry no. It should be obvious to everyone that Google will be our corporate overlord one day. Whether or not they will be a benevolent one remains to be seen. My money is that those new glasses they are coming out with are secretly a mind control and/or brain washing device. No one will be able to escape because they will soon control all forms of transportation with their freaking SELF DRIVING CAR!

Seriously though The amount of information and power Google has scares the crap out of me sometimes.
 

Stavros Dimou

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We can't know the future. But Steam is a very good service,and until another one that would match it or surpass it comes out,I think Steam will keep growing.
 

Woodsey

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ExiusXavarus said:
Seems it doesn't matter anyway:

TheDutch3Z said:
http://www.shacknews.com/article/73450/steam-account-bans-no-longer-take-away-all-your-games
And I'm not arguing it's not illegal. I'm just pointing out it's not enforced, and if your other concern is a moral one, that basis is covered anyway since you've already paid for everything. Because again, if someone is a straight-up pirate who doesn't buy their stuff at all, people are going to call them out for being a dick - not seriously suggest that they're ever going to get arrested for it.
 

SnowBurst

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Woodsey said:
ExiusXavarus said:
Seems it doesn't matter anyway:

TheDutch3Z said:
http://www.shacknews.com/article/73450/steam-account-bans-no-longer-take-away-all-your-games
And I'm not arguing it's not illegal. I'm just pointing out it's not enforced, and if your other concern is a moral one, that basis is covered anyway since you've already paid for everything. Because again, if someone is a straight-up pirate who doesn't buy their stuff at all, people are going to call them out for being a dick - not seriously suggest that they're ever going to get arrested for it.
could get sued for it though because buying the game means thats yours youve bought it its all in different legal things that i cba to go into but end of the day its yours if you buy it because its not in the eula for steam
 

Veylon

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They've got a near lock-down for their sector, just as Microsoft does with Windows, except that Valve is more competent than MS is. Except for holdout indies and companies that want to distribute themselves, they're going to dominate for the foreseeable future. Unless they do something stupid.