Poll: Will you opt out of the Sony Class Action Lawsuit?

[Erana]

There are a couple of reasons I will not join something like this:
1) I hate the whole American style "I'm mildly inconvinianced by this, so I'll sue the pant off of someone
2) A lawsuit like this looks to me like a money train... for the laywer who started it. He's going to get money together from all the 'angry people', and then he doesn't even have to win the lawsuit anymore... he's in the money!
3) Sony have had enough trouble as it is, I just want to see it up and running again ASAP, and also because
4) I don't always like Sony's approach (account details in plain text, did I really read that right?), but I -LOVE- their games. Uncharted, Resistance, Ratchet&Clank are but three reasons I would not want to see Sony Playstation go bankrupt. I don't want their money, I want quality entertainment.

So there's my 'no', fully explained.

Putting out an advertisement about class-action lawsuits over eight-year-old medications are a lawyer digging for gold.

A huge corporation withholding the fact that their security has been breached for several days is reason to sue.
Its not just "Oh, I'm going to have to get a new credit card now..." its the fact that tremendous damage could have been done in those several days that Sony didn't tell anyone. Not to mention, these hackers now know the purchase history (as well as information on other gaming activities) of Sony's clients. You may not give a damn about who knows your gaming habits, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't for others. I mean, what if employers got a hold of this? If they'd discriminate against someone for their +200 hours of Call of Duty, or something of the sort? Even I, as a bit of a closet gamer, would feel humiliated if people publicly announced that I own Killing Floor or Left 4 Dead 2.

There was a level of confidence people had in Sony when using their services. Not only have they failed to protect the personal information, they have managed this situation very poorly with the belated notification, outage of online service, and no apparent attempts to amend this situation.

And no, Sony's not going to go bankrupt over this. That notion is ridiculous. BP got away with the greatest oil spill disaster in history, after all.

And thanks for the dig at Americans, because we all totally love to sue everyone always.

 

[Jodah]

No, this kind of thing happens all the time with different companies. The fact it is such a big deal when it happens to Sony is disgusting. I hope the judge takes one look, laughs, and throws the case out.

Tracking down the jerks that did it, I will support that. Going after Sony, however, is stupid.

Most companies don't lose 70 million people personal information due to storing it all entirely unencrypted.

A lot of people have been saying that Sony took no steps to safeguard the information but I have seen no evidence of that. Is there an article I missed or is this another of the far reaching assumptions this site (in general, I know there are exceptions) has been jumping to over this whole issue? I genuinely want to know.

I actually don't know myself. I just had seen multiple news stories, as well as multiple other users reporting such so I assumed it was true. But this being the internet that was stupid. Assuming for one second that they did infact have encryption (Which must have been appalingly week for this to happen.), the data sent to and from your ps3 is un-encrypted (Again, internet, but this seems much more plausible..), and the fact that they stored everything together, whereas most people with information such as them (credit cards, etc) would store them on separate servers at least.

I also got to ask, how does this happen to one of the biggest companies out there, having their entire audience's information stolen, yet places like amazon, don't?

The encryption may not have been that weak. Any encryption can be broken if the hacker knows wtf to do. I'm not saying Sony is completely blameless but this CAL is just a knee jerk overreaction.

As for why it happened to them instead of others. It is likely due to them pissing off the wrong people with the whole lawsuit thing. Piss off enough people and someone will go for revenge. The people that do it merely for the money will go for easier targets. I suspect whoever did this did it for spite.

Edit : I R GUD SPEELR

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

No, I'd rather not contribute to this problem and resolving the issues surrounding this whole debacle took me 10 minutes. I'm getting a new credit card in a week, and changing my password takes no time at all. While Sony does shoulder some of the responsibility regarding this whole mess, there should be greater focus towards finding the ones responsible for this instead of pouring gasoline onto the fire.

Until this whole situation pans out, I am not going to out right scold Sony and hold them entirely responsible like too many people are doing. I want all the facts and information before I jump to any sort of conclusion.

I just find the attitude some people have towards all this crap absolutely cringe worthy. There is so much stupid in a lot of these news threads and the trolling is off the charts. I thought more people would be more mature and well informed about all this, but I'm naive for thinking that highly of people in these sorts of situations.

this. my job deals with fraud/card information stolen all the time and idiots galore are everywhere jumping at the opportunity to sue someone.


seriously, people, your information is out there all the time anyways, just pay attention to your statement, get a new card, which takes less than a week to get to you, and your fucking fine.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

I share all the views about this matter on the subject as this fellow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD0lsbVUYe0&feature=channel_video_title

bravo, fucking bravo. That was great. Competely the same mindset for me. Nice to see another feel the same way.

me too, and this guy just picked up another sub.

hehe yeah I saw him when I was like FUCK I really want to play mortal kombat in aus!
I think he does some great webvids and definately deserves more views.. he doesn't to need to put on an act or " get into character" like alot of other webvid Bloggers Hes got enough character being himself

damn just saw that, good shit, definitely will watch more of that.

 

[Dr. wonderful]

No.


Sony want to make it up to me? Give me a PS1 libary just as big as japan or maybe allow PS2 games to be play on the PS3.


But you really want to make it up to me?

Get those sons of a bitches.

 

[Digitaldreamer7]

No, this kind of thing happens all the time with different companies. The fact it is such a big deal when it happens to Sony is disgusting. I hope the judge takes one look, laughs, and throws the case out.

Tracking down the jerks that did it, I will support that. Going after Sony, however, is stupid.

and the other companies get sued as well. sony should have taken better precautions to safeguard it's customers data. Plain and simple. They need to pay for all the costs to repair any of it's customers credit, new cards,bank fees, legal fees etc incurred due to the breach.

They should also remember the valuable lesson in all of this

don't fuck with people who want/can install linux on a PS3.

2. Why is Sony being sued when they did nothing wrong? How do we know that the information they have wasn't encrypted. If this is true then is it actually a problem? Didn't we willingly give Sony our information knowing someone could potentially hack and obtain it anyway even if it were encrypted?
3. No matter how good someone's security is, it is NEVER full proof.

Uhhh simple AES encryption would like to have a word with you. If they used a simple AES encryption algorithm with a 7-10 character alphanumeric password... There's not a computer in the world or a hacker alive or dead that could crack it.

Please, inform yourself.

 

[Digitaldreamer7]

double post

 

[Digitaldreamer7]

ediy

 

[UmbrellaAssassin]

You can't sue them over the PSN outage. They have a contract clause that states the PSN is provided as-is. Voted no. It's pointless.

You know what you CAN sue them for? Them letting my personal information be stolen. The notion of someone suing them for the reason you stated is ludicrous.

Yes. Yes, I will.

Ya lets sue a company for something that they couldnt prevent. Ya cause I'm sure they "LET" the hacker just take all the info right?
You have no right to sue. No one does.
I would understand if they did something so the hacker could get the info, but they did what they were suppose to: they shut off the servers when they noticed it was getting attack.

So lets I leave my phone at your house and someone comes in and robs you and takes it can I sue you for letting him take my phone?

I'll accept this logic when you prove that they couldn't prevent it. I'm willing to wager you have little clue how Sony secured my personal information.

Am I wrong? Do you? Truth is, I entered an agreement with them. They broke it.

In a way I see where your going with this, but rather doubt that anywhere in the agreement did it say they are hack proof.
And yes while i don't know exactly how they used to hold the information I'm sure its better than nothing cause this hasn't happened before.

Don't think I'm sympathetic towards Sony and I am fucking pissed how bad they handled this (FFFFFUUUUUUUUUU---).


I just don't think that there should be a mass law suit against them.
1. I like Sony. Always been a PS guy from the big PS1. This will ruin them. Don't think they will recover fast, so no Ps4 no PS anything for a while.
2. Flimsy case unless someone has proof that it was a very poorly security system. (haven't seen good enough proof for that).
3. All you fucking want is money, you don't care that its a invasion of privacy or bad Sony systems.

Greed is what fucking ruins everything.

 

[Archangel768]

No, this kind of thing happens all the time with different companies. The fact it is such a big deal when it happens to Sony is disgusting. I hope the judge takes one look, laughs, and throws the case out.

Tracking down the jerks that did it, I will support that. Going after Sony, however, is stupid.

and the other companies get sued as well. sony should have taken better precautions to safeguard it's customers data. Plain and simple. They need to pay for all the costs to repair any of it's customers credit, new cards,bank fees, legal fees etc incurred due to the breach.

They should also remember the valuable lesson in all of this

don't fuck with people who want/can install linux on a PS3.

2. Why is Sony being sued when they did nothing wrong? How do we know that the information they have wasn't encrypted. If this is true then is it actually a problem? Didn't we willingly give Sony our information knowing someone could potentially hack and obtain it anyway even if it were encrypted?
3. No matter how good someone's security is, it is NEVER full proof.

Uhhh simple AES encryption would like to have a word with you. If they used a simple AES encryption algorithm with a 7-10 character alphanumeric password... There's not a computer in the world or a hacker alive or dead that could crack it.

Please, inform yourself.

Call me stupid or something. I don't have much knowledge in this area but with encryption shouldn't there be decryption so that the data is readable and usable again? So what's the point in using the as you called it 'AES encryption algorithm with a 7-10 character alphanumeric password' if it can't be decrypted? Wouldn't that render the data being encrypted and transferred through the method useless to anyone and isn't the point of sending the data so that it can be used if given the right decrypter? Again, I don't have much knowledge in this area so there is probably something BIG that I am missing which I'm hoping you can so kindly enlighten upon.

 

[Prof.Beany]

No.
Double No.
triple No.
Multi-No.

Cases like this are just greedy people being greedy for the sake of being greedy, which makes me greedy Very annoyed.

That, and I dont want development of Sony products pushed back into oblivion, I'm actually looking forward to a next (or is it next next?) gen console without a subscription, as well as an xperia play successor with proper support from the PS brand.

 

[Digitaldreamer7]

No, this kind of thing happens all the time with different companies. The fact it is such a big deal when it happens to Sony is disgusting. I hope the judge takes one look, laughs, and throws the case out.

Tracking down the jerks that did it, I will support that. Going after Sony, however, is stupid.

and the other companies get sued as well. sony should have taken better precautions to safeguard it's customers data. Plain and simple. They need to pay for all the costs to repair any of it's customers credit, new cards,bank fees, legal fees etc incurred due to the breach.

They should also remember the valuable lesson in all of this

don't fuck with people who want/can install linux on a PS3.

2. Why is Sony being sued when they did nothing wrong? How do we know that the information they have wasn't encrypted. If this is true then is it actually a problem? Didn't we willingly give Sony our information knowing someone could potentially hack and obtain it anyway even if it were encrypted?
3. No matter how good someone's security is, it is NEVER full proof.

Uhhh simple AES encryption would like to have a word with you. If they used a simple AES encryption algorithm with a 7-10 character alphanumeric password... There's not a computer in the world or a hacker alive or dead that could crack it.

Please, inform yourself.

Call me stupid or something. I don't have much knowledge in this area but with encryption shouldn't there be decryption so that the data is readable and usable again? So what's the point in using the as you called it 'AES encryption algorithm with a 7-10 character alphanumeric password' if it can't be decrypted? Wouldn't that render the data being encrypted and transferred through the method useless to anyone and isn't the point of sending the data so that it can be used if given the right decrypter? Again, I don't have much knowledge in this area so there is probably something BIG that I am missing which I'm hoping you can so kindly enlighten upon.

You only decrypt what you need on the fly. I run a fully encrypted system that decrypts data on the fly. What sony did was like leaving the keys to the car in the seat. at least with some form of encryption hardware or software, the only things that would be vulnerable would have been data being accessed right that moment such as current purchase etc.

Oh and YOU can google AES, or Twofish, or Serpent encryption and educate yourself.

 

[Mikeyfell]

Yes, mostly because I own an Xbox and would like to see Sony reduced to the point where they have to start selling PS3's for next to nothing because I really really want to play Heavy Rain.

 

[Prof.Beany]

Yes, mostly because I own an Xbox and would like to see Sony reduced to the point where they have to start selling PS3's for next to nothing because I really really want to play Heavy Rain.

Cant tell if trolling or just stupid...

You do know how class action lawsuits work... right?

 

[Twilight_guy]

Nope I think it sets a bad president to sue Sony for this. they haven't caused anyone to lose anything yet. If they actually did screw up and lose everything or have a major problem then maybe. On top of that, I don't think class-action lawsuits work that way anyways.

 

[Carlston]

You can't sue them over the PSN outage. They have a contract clause that states the PSN is provided as-is. Voted no. It's pointless.

You know what you CAN sue them for? Them letting my personal information be stolen. The notion of someone suing them for the reason you stated is ludicrous.

Yes. Yes, I will.

Well wrong they didn't "let" the information be stolen, that's like saying a store should pay you cause someone broke in their store (and they can prove with in reason security in place) and something "might" happen.

Sorry, to sue Sony for being the victim of a crime is kinda crappy. I'd say it will lose, and they will just have to say "Hey not our fault, we had security, blame the hackers" and it's done.

 

[Mikeyfell]

Yes, mostly because I own an Xbox and would like to see Sony reduced to the point where they have to start selling PS3's for next to nothing because I really really want to play Heavy Rain.

Cant tell if trolling or just stupid...

You do know how class action lawsuits work... right?

I'm just stupid. I thought it was funny though

 

[Prof.Beany]

You can't sue them over the PSN outage. They have a contract clause that states the PSN is provided as-is. Voted no. It's pointless.

You know what you CAN sue them for? Them letting my personal information be stolen. The notion of someone suing them for the reason you stated is ludicrous.

Yes. Yes, I will.

Well wrong they didn't "let" the information be stolen, that's like saying a store should pay you cause someone broke in their store (and they can prove with in reason security in place) and something "might" happen.

Sorry, to sue Sony for being the victim of a crime is kinda crappy. I'd say it will lose, and they will just have to say "Hey not our fault, we had security, blame the hackers" and it's done.

I think the whole kerfuffle (holy crap that was in spell check) is about them not having security that was up to the standard required to accept credit cards.

Pretty silly on Sonys behalf, but if it was just ONE guy with all this info, what exactly is he going to do with thousands of credit cards? Y'know, apart from saying "HEY GUYS IT WAS ME!" in the most obvious way possible... or yknow... just sell them anonymously... BUT THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT!

 

[Oly J]

No, I'd rather not contribute to this problem and resolving the issues surrounding this whole debacle took me 10 minutes. I'm getting a new credit card in a week, and changing my password takes no time at all. While Sony does shoulder some of the responsibility regarding this whole mess, there should be greater focus towards finding the ones responsible for this instead of pouring gasoline onto the fire.

Until this whole situation pans out, I am not going to out right scold Sony and hold them entirely responsible like too many people are doing. I want all the facts and information before I jump to any sort of conclusion.

I just find the attitude some people have towards all this crap absolutely cringe worthy. There is so much stupid in a lot of these news threads and the trolling is off the charts. I thought more people would be more mature and well informed about all this, but I'm naive for thinking that highly of people in these sorts of situations.

word-for word...I completely agree, so no I will not be joining the class-action lawsuit

 

[erztez]

Call me stupid or something. I don't have much knowledge in this area but with encryption shouldn't there be decryption so that the data is readable and usable again? So what's the point in using the as you called it 'AES encryption algorithm with a 7-10 character alphanumeric password' if it can't be decrypted? Wouldn't that render the data being encrypted and transferred through the method useless to anyone and isn't the point of sending the data so that it can be used if given the right decrypter? Again, I don't have much knowledge in this area so there is probably something BIG that I am missing which I'm hoping you can so kindly enlighten upon.

Two words.
Unhashed passwords(google it)
That, right there, is the reason whoever set up their data store should be taken out and shot.
This is comp sci 101...