Poll: - Women In The Military -

[Hashime]

Women are not as strong as men, not as physically capable in combat. There are of course exeptions to the rule, but women are not as physically cut out for combat. They are also out of comission for 3 (or so) of every 28 days. Women are however generally more organized and therefore better for non-combat support, and strategic planning / command.

 

[RanD00M]

I think Denis Leary's point on gay's in the Army works here as well.

<quote=Denis Leary on gays in the Army>Another thing when I'm president,by the way.You wanna join the army,any branch.Army,Air Force,Marines,Navy.You can fuck whoever you want.Other soldiers,superior officers,fuck your brains out.You have my permission.As long as you want to kill the enemy you can have sex with anything you want,go ahead."I like to fuck other guys." here's another guy and a gun,go go go."I like to fuck sheep" here's a sheep and a humvee,go go."I like to fuck watermelons." here's a watermelon and a gun,go go go.Fuck 'em,shoot 'em and eat 'em.

 

[AwesomeExpress]

They can be nurses or whatever, but they shouldn't be out killin' people. ...Unless you replace "killin'" with "pillow fights" or "mud wrestling"...

 

[Kortney]

First of all I'm a female (get that out of the way before people start calling me sexist).

I don't believe women should be allowed to have direct combat roles in the military. They could let down fellow soldiers. The majority of them aren't strong enough, they think differently and all in all I don't think they should be allowed in the front lines. Women aren't soldiers. There is no point. My father and brother are in the military and have both done 3 tours of the middle east, and my Brother was saying how bad females get treated over there. That's probably why I have the views I have.

 

[enzilewulf]

Well I think women should always be allowed to fight for their country I just have my wonders about girls. Now I know this might sound sexist but I just wonder if they can be just as mentally tuff as guys. Thats all really

 

[Mcface]

Women should absolutely be able to fight, after all, it doesn't take broad shoulders to fire a gun.

Not to be THAT guy..

but it's no surprise that the average male is stronger than the average female, it's the same with soldiers.
woman can fire weapons just as well as men, that's true.
But that's not taking into account the average combat load out weighs anywhere from 70-100+ pounds of gear. Sure some woman can take it, but it takes a hell of a lot more conditioning and weight training for a woman to be able to do that.

Also, how would you expect the average woman to carry a 200 pound, 6ft tall wounded comrade under fire? Let's face it, that wouldn't happen. I'm not being sexist, it's just logical.

It's the reason why woman in America can be swat officers and police officers, they don't have to carry heavy loadouts and trek through harsh environments carrying their body weight (or more) there is no doubt woman can engage, and kill targets as female SWAT and Police officers have proved, but active combat duty is out of the question.

 

[legion431]

If they have the right skills and training, are not afraid of war and are tough, they can be in the military.

 

[Burst6]

Yes.

New technology fixes all physical problems. As for front line jobs, and correct me if I'm wrong here, aren't women usually smaller than men? That sounds like smaller target to me. I'm not much of a expert in modern war, but I'm pretty sure you don't need a huge amount of strength to fight. Basically if they make a test that requires the same standards for both men and women, and women pass it, they should be allowed.

And as for the mental aspects, change doesn't happen by doing nothing.

 

[BringBackBuck]

There is a culture associated with an army that is (necessarily) violent and aggressive.

a quick but of googling turned up this:
A survey conducted within the Veterans' Administration system has assessed sexual assault at 30 percent of female veterans. Further, the researchers found that 14 percent of the victims were gang raped and 20 percent of the victims were raped more than once (Sadler, et al, 2003).

Also there is the question of conscription, if you normalise women being in the army do you include them in conscription too?

 

[Mcface]

Yes.

New technology fixes all physical problems. As for front line jobs, and correct me if I'm wrong here, aren't women usually smaller than men? That sounds like smaller target to me. I'm not much of a expert in modern war, but I'm pretty sure you don't need a huge amount of strength to fight.

And as for the mental aspects, change doesn't happen by doing nothing.

As i stated before, the average combat loadout for an infantrymen is 70-100+ pounds of gear on their body. That includes weapons, armor, rucksack, etc.

 

[Lepre-Khan]

Alright, who here chose options 2 and 3 on the pole. It's okay. I promise I wont hurt you. Please pay no attention to the Limestone club I'm holding behind my back...

 

[Marine Mike]

Ah, story time, children...

A long time ago in a land far, far away (Fallujah, Iraq 2005) a supply convoy was hit by an IED on their way into our base. Word got to our company that there were several casualties including a few Marine women and that they needed more blood than we had on hand. We were an infantry company, so all males, and almost everyone immediately volunteered to give any amount of blood they needed in order to save a few females none of us have EVER MET. Now imagine training, living, and fighting with a female and having her get wounded in the field and imagine the effect it would have on the males. It would result in complete command breakdown, orders ignored, orders not given, more casualties and the unit becomes combat ineffective. Females also serve as a distraction even when they aren't in mortal peril. The powers that be like to keep us grunts in a constant state of aggravation, and part of that is putting as much distance between us and that which we desire (money, booze, violence, and sex)... its what makes us so ferocious in battle, we direct our pent up rage at something or someone we are legally sanctioned to shoot, destroy, blow up, or just beat into submission.

Another story, this time from Afghanistan in 2008. My good friend who had re-enlisted after I got out was there and witnessed history in the making. The Marines actually had a unit of all females to be sent on combat operations... Mission result: 60% pregnant within 2 months in-country.

I say let the females do combat operations, but not Infantry. Military life is a completely different world from civilian life, and Infantry life is a completely different world from the rest of the military. Please note that my views are from a Marine perspective, the only thing I know about how the Army runs things is that they fuck everything up. If that offends anybody with any association with the Army, let it be known that I've had to dodge incoming .50 caliber fire to walk from my bed to the porta-shitter thanks to some asshole being all he could be.

EDIT: I actually voted #2 before I decided to go on this rant, but I guess my view qualifies as "other".

 

[Baconmonster723]

The way I see it, if I have to give up my life to a draft, women, being my equal should be drafted into the military as well.

However, not into direct combat situations. Unless they have all female units. Not because they are incapable of being effective, however, studies show that men are much more willing to risk their lives and the lives of their squadmates to save a woman from a dangerous situation. This results in statistically higher casualties when a woman is in danger as opposed to a man, call it sexist, call it chauvanistic, call it whatever you want. Statistics are statistics for a reason, they prove what you want to know. There are plenty of jobs for women in the military that don't include being directly involved in combat. I say make them join up. It's only fair.

 

[magicaxis]

the only reason i can think of why they shpouldnt be allowed in is because some male soldiers wouldnt be able to concentrate on stuff while not shooting people...and the women would be the constant recievers of verbal sexual abuse.

 

[Jindrak]

I'm all for equal rights.

Which is why I'm also for having women sign up for selective service (the draft), just like all American men must do.

 

[RelexCryo]

Personally, I am all for it. I could never understand the reasons behind denying them the ability to serve any way they damn well wish. The only one they can give that holds water, hygiene, isn't even that great a issue and in today times can be solved with some light, disposable bits of cloth that all woman seem to carry around with them in any case.

Also I have to wonder: Has any of these people denying woman looked through history?

Female troops often are stronger, and down right more frightening, then their male counterparts. Just ask the soldiers that where captured or killed by female Russians during WW2... they did things... terrible things that males themselves would flinch at doing. Not just on the battle field but off it as well.

They where good at it.

How could any one justify cutting the potential military force in half, twice so when it is a chunk of troops that seek to prove themselves so strongly, just for some stupid bigotry?

Do you mean stonger physically or mentally? Women are signifigantly weaker than men physically, the question is whether or not that weakness would impair their ability to function. Men simply have higher testosterone levels, which means men get more muscle mass/tone per hour of physical training. Whether or not this strength advantage matters is the question.

 

[topaztikal]

yes
i'm female and personally i would never join the army
but no matter the argument, not allowing women to take on whatever positions is just enforcing the idea that men can do more than women

 

[lucky_sharm]

Kind of like what others said before, if there are women willing to die for their country, why not let them join the military?

Just curious, but how do women get raped in the military? I suppose it would be easy enough if both the men and women slept in the same barracks but how does it still happen if they are kept in seperate bunk houses?

 

[Sleekgiant]

Anyone that can and will fight for their country should be given the right to do so, but thats my opinion