Poll: Worst reboot franchise this gen? Tomb raider or Wolfenstien?

[B-Cell_v1legacy]

lately it seems Wolfenstein has had a slight edge in terms of solid game mechanics.

Ok, so I didn't play the new tomb raider games, nor The New Collossus, but The New Order Wolfenstein's game mechanics were woefully lacking.

The pseudo stealth was awful, the insane fragility of the main character compared to the HORDES of enemies made combat intensely frustrating, and the game felt like it just ENDED like 2/3rds of the way through.

Like, I'm not the best at shooters, but I'm no slouch either. And I had to drop the difficulty down to the absolute lowest level to get any enjoyment out of the game. I did that stupid annoying new york "hold the penthouse" type mission like a dozen times and could not pull it off.

At which point I threw up my hands and said "!@#$ this, I'm playing this to get the thrill of gunning down nazi scum, not to suffer. This ain't even the fun kind of suffering like Dark Souls or Etrian Odyssey, or whatever!".

Once all the difficulty was gone and I could just effortlessly dunk on my enemies, it was a passable shooter experience, although it still ended before there was enough proper narrative/emotional payoff.

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it looks like it will be worst FPS this year along with borderlands 3 imo.

This again? You didn't read my post about it in the other thread?

TLDR: Borderlands isn't really a shooter. It's a loot-based and ability-based RPG where you happen to attack with guns.

Better shooter mechanics would be nice, but that's not what the series is actually about.

It's about continually finding bigger, fancier sticks to hit your enemies with, that make bigger numbers pop up, and it's about being able to pop your ability to feel like a badass every 10-30 seconds. It just happens to express that gameplay loop with guns

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To me the stealth options are simply what they need to be for a game like this; no more no less. It also has lean ?n peek, slide, good melee, exceptionally smooth gunplay, health packs and armor like the original games, and the upgrades are limited, but interesting if you?re looking to uniquely enhance a weapon or armor.

The game is supposed to leave you feeling vulnerable but also capable, because it relies on good movement and quick aiming. There are also usually heaps of armor pieces and health boosts to pad your defenses when things get hairy, but they?re not meant to be relied upon either. Not sure what platform you?ve played on but it?s a blast on PC.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

To me the stealth options are simply what they need to be for a game like this; no more no less. It also has lean ?n peek, slide, good melee, exceptionally smooth gunplay, health packs and armor like the original games, and the upgrades are limited, but interesting if you?re looking to uniquely enhance a weapon or armor.

The game is supposed to leave you feeling vulnerable but also capable, because it relies on good movement and quick aiming. There are also usually heaps of armor pieces and health boosts to pad your defenses when things get hairy, but they?re not meant to be relied upon either. Not sure what platform you?ve played on but it?s a blast on PC.

I actually made an oops.

I meant The New Collosus, not The New Order. It's the SECOND game in the reboot series that I didn't like, and where I hated the "hunt down the commanders or you'll get swarmed by endless reinforcements" stuff, especially when the level design didn't lend itself well to actually sneaking up to them.

I played it on PC.

 

[CaitSeith]

The worst reboot franchise this gen was Doom.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Tomb Raider was rebooted at the end of the last gen, so technically it's a last gen reboot. Furthermore, neither of these two games are the worst reboots. Not by a long shot, but nice try. Your lack of knowledge about video games is quite a thing to behold.

It's hilarious how salty you are just because people love a third person video game featuring a female protagonist and you seem to be even saltier that the next Wolfenstein will also feature female protagonists.

 

[Kwak]

The worst reboot franchise this gen was Doom.

How? What? Huh? Are you just being a contrarian?
It has 'very positive' overall reviews on Steam, sits around 85%/8.5 on all platforms on metacritic. In what reality is it the worst reboot of this generation?

 

[Dalisclock]

The worst reboot franchise this gen was Doom.

How? What? Huh? Are you just being a contrarian?
It has 'very positive' overall reviews on Steam, sits around 85%/8.5 on all platforms on metacritic. In what reality is it the worst reboot of this generation?

I think CaitSeith is trolling B-Cell, who has a notable Hard on for the DOOM games, especially the reboot.

 

[B-Cell_v1legacy]

Tomb Raider was rebooted at the end of the last gen, so technically it's a last gen reboot. Furthermore, neither of these two games are the worst reboots. Not by a long shot, but nice try. Your lack of knowledge about video games is quite a thing to behold.

It's hilarious how salty you are just because people love a third person video game featuring a female protagonist and you seem to be even saltier that the next Wolfenstein will also feature female protagonists.

lol wolfenstein reboot suck long before it introduce female protagonist and starting BJ. new order just suck.

theres more problem in tomb raider than female protagonist namely its combat is terrible and platforming is one button.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

theres more problem in tomb raider than female protagonist.

Oh, so it IS a problem.

 

[Catfood220]

theres more problem in tomb raider than female protagonist namely its combat is terrible and platforming is one button.

How many buttons do you want for the platforming? Do you want a button for each arm and leg? You do realise that streamlining certain actions is not a bad thing.

Actually thinking about it, using the climbing axe is a separate button, so you are wrong there.

 

[MrCalavera_v1legacy]

theres more problem in tomb raider than female protagonist.

Oh, so it IS a problem.

I'm used to "it has a female main, it sucks now" complaints by now, but a female protag being a problem in Tomb Raider of all franchises is the hottest take in a while.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

theres more problem in tomb raider than female protagonist.

Oh, so it IS a problem.

I'm used to "it has a female main, it sucks now" complaints by now, but a female protag being a problem in Tomb Raider of all franchises is the hottest take in a while.

Yup, that's B-Cell for you. If a game has a female protagonist it's immediately shit. And if a once loved franchise introduces a female protagonist, suddenly every other game in the series sucks too. God, I hope Bethesda makes a Doom game with a Doom Girl just to see B-Cell's reaction. I wouldn't exclude spontaneous combustion.

 

[sXeth]

lately it seems Wolfenstein has had a slight edge in terms of solid game mechanics.

Ok, so I didn't play the new tomb raider games, nor The New Order, but The New Collosus Wolfenstein's game mechanics were woefully lacking.

The pseudo stealth was awful, the insane fragility of the main character compared to the HORDES of enemies made combat intensely frustrating, and the game felt like it just ENDED like 2/3rds of the way through.

Yeah I don't know what all happened with New Colossus. The cinematics and (Generally on average) the dialogue and character work improved. But the pacing went to absolute s*** and the level design is incredibly and heavily half-assed. Which bleeds into stuff like the stealth feeling way off because it was clearly not designed around (and the half-hearted movement upgrades later on)

Granted, New Order/Old BLoods forced stealth segments were also laughably bad, but that was a few blips over the overall game.


As to the general question of the thread, while my classic Tomb Raider experience is pretty limited. I'd say probably that one has wandered way off its concept to be all Uncharted/Far Cry. Sprawling third person shooty/action games. Where the originals I have the general recollection of being more puzzle/platformers.

 

[Bilious Green_v1legacy]

I didn't play Tomb raider, but I watched a friend play it, and it looked okay. I really enjoyed both Wolfenstein games. I guess I just like story and character driven games.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Not a fan of tomb rider, never really was even back in the mid 90s, so it'll get my vote. Wolfenstein wasn't much to call home about either but I tend to dislike fprs games (about the only ones I really enjoyed in the last decade and a half were bioshock and doom 2016) so I'd prolly blame me rather than the game itself being bad.

 

[B-Cell_v1legacy]

theres more problem in tomb raider than female protagonist.

Oh, so it IS a problem.

I'm used to "it has a female main, it sucks now" complaints by now, but a female protag being a problem in Tomb Raider of all franchises is the hottest take in a while.

Yup, that's B-Cell for you. If a game has a female protagonist it's immediately shit. And if a once loved franchise introduces a female protagonist, suddenly every other game in the series sucks too. God, I hope Bethesda makes a Doom game with a Doom Girl just to see B-Cell's reaction. I wouldn't exclude spontaneous combustion.

There is Doom movie coming out and it has female protagonist rather than Doomguy. and its recieving negative feedback to the point that id software has maintained distance from it. and it make Dwayne Johnson movie looks like a masterpiece.

 

[CritialGaming]

The next Wolfenstien has the B-Cell double whammy of not one but TWO girl Protagonists. Should be interesting to see how he contrives a way to hate that game for literally no reason.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

The next Wolfenstien has the B-Cell double whammy of not one but TWO girl Protagonists. Should be interesting to see how he contrives a way to hate that game for literally no reason.

He won't even play it. He's just going to look for any negative reviews or negative segments in reviews and spout that as his own opinion. He does it all the time.

 

[Avnger]

and it make Dwayne Johnson movie looks like a masterpiece.

You say this like it wasn't one.

It's the Citizen Kane of movies.

 

[Red Sentinel]

The next Wolfenstien has the B-Cell double whammy of not one but TWO girl Protagonists. Should be interesting to see how he contrives a way to hate that game for literally no reason.

He won't even play it. He's just going to look for any negative reviews or negative segments in reviews and spout that as his own opinion. He does it all the time.

Yeah, I've noticed that too. He will find a reviewer that supports his own opinion, and when another game comes along and the reviewer in question holds a different opinion this time, he immediately discards and disavows them and finds somebody else.

He did it with that "Worth a Buy" guy, and a few others as well who I can't remember.

 

[Batou667]

Haven't cared for Tomb Raider since about 1998 so no opinion there.

But the new Wolfenstein games? You'll have to break down what makes these bad games (as opposed to ones you didn't like) because critical acclaim and sales figures say otherwise. I'm most of the way (I guess) through New Colossus and although I enjoyed New Order quite a bit more it's still a good game - sets it's sights admirably high, makes some bold decisions, attempts to add flesh to the bones of one of the most venerable characters in computer gaming history, and remarkably hits the mark at least as often as it misses. That's not to be sniffed at.