Poll: Would you be ok with the Games Industry Crashing and not having AAA titles for 5-10 Years?

[SycoMantis91]

No more AAA titles? where do I sign up? First of all, our war/FPS and "like God of War but..." phase may come to an end. We might actually see some resemblance of innovation, or at least different types of games. Plus, it'd be easier to catch up on the games everyone else is playing. I'm so damn behind.

 

[Yopaz]

System is broken and corrupt, weak at its foundation. It should be torn down and rebuilt by people with a passion for the art of game making instead of suits in offices only interested in profit margins. The games industry has half sold its soul and only a revolution can fix it

So one of the industries making the most money is weak and broken? People only care about money?

You think it's wrong that the people working in it are concerned about making money. Well are you concerned about making money? Would you be willing to work for the bare minimum of life expences? If you say yes I know you are lying because you have a computer and you use it for something that isn't work related. You are granting yourself luxury rather than forsake earthly possessions while complaining how others care about them. You basically said that you want to see thousands of people lose their job just to make the world more passionate.
Clearly a selfish desire.

If you can name one industry that doesn't concern itself with money I will be impressed. Every artist wants to live off their craft. Every artist wants to have steady meals. Only the best get wealthy and even those who become wealthy can be passionate.

You think that an industry that has failed in the past will rebuild and care less about money? Now that is just stupidity. As it is now the industry got the money it needs to take risks. If the industry fails and rebuild they will try to find a pattern they can follow to avoid risks of losing their investment money. An industry on its brink of failing wont take risks. If you believe it does then you clearly don't know the first thing about management or economy.

Being concerned with money is one thing but being overly greedy is another. This industry wants to sacrifice consumer rights for more money and I don't think I am alone in calling that overly greedy.

You go on pretending that there are only 2 sides though (no money/money).

And the industry failing and leaving thousands without jobs will make the industry less greedy how? Do you honestly believe that a new healthier industry will grow in the ashes of the old one?

You didn't even bother respond to my whole post so I take it that you don't have enough knowledge to do so. You don't want to admit that I am right about a lot of things. If you want to discuss something, that's fine, but if you want to tell me I am wrong and ignore 70% of what I say then please refrain from doing that.

 

[Aprilgold]

Sure. If that means niche gaming would return, bring it the fuck on !

There are so many different niche games that it would help diversify the industry more then make a comeback of one specific genre. Plus, I want a new rougelike game damn it.

Go ahead, although if it means Guild Wars 2 can't be released then hell no, if it happens AFTER Guild Wars 2 then go ahead.

I'm kind of counting on it at this point. The AAA game industry has turned into such a crapfest. Most of the games suck and most of the ones that don't are just plain broken.
At this point (after seeing games go deeper into online passes, day one dlc and seeing consoles that either have crappy hardware or crappy support) I have no love left for Sony, MS, or any of the Big publishers; fuck-em.

I would welcome the crash, if only to level the playing field once again. Although I do not have concrete proof, I do believe that the evolution of gaming was spurred after the crash of the 70s allowed new companies to enter the field.

Thoughts?

Everything changed when the industry bounced back then.
It would be good to see game companies try and win consumers because they obviously take us for granted now.
We just need something as bad, broken, and insultingly pandering for the industry to invest into and for gamers to reject.
But that's the problem, there's very little gamers will reject. Most seem more willing to get ripped off and then make excuses for the morons who made/sold it.
Look at how well Gamestop does.

I agree with your sentiments on everything you said. They treat us like criminals-in-waiting with all the shit they have you do to verify your legal purchase.

Also, it would be nice if the Triple A gaming circuit just crashed, and not gaming as a whole, don't want people to lose jobs and all that.

I don't like that comparison. Because that implies that to have 100 or more hours worth of gameplay, it has to be linear, and not just good.

I'm trying to work out if you're being deliberately obtuse or just plain mental.

It doesn't matter if you like it or not, it's exactly the kind of nonsense you're suggesting. Not every game is open world, nor do they have to be. Not every book has to be an epic. There's nothing wrong with 10-minute short films. When every remaining game is a Minecraft clone you will be arguing for another crash to break the trend. Speaking of which, not everyone is even a fan of minecraft - some don't even like it (shock, horror, blasphemy!).

Stop being so myopic. Would you give up your job and career just because some spoiled egocentric youngsters want some different types of computer games (a recreational luxury)? If you're in school would you leave tomorrow to work at a fast food counter for the rest of your days just so you can have more open world games that visually improve if you're suffering from cataracts? Actually, I expect some crazies on here would... hundreds of thousands (at least) permanently jobless in exchange for more Minecraft clones. Brilliant.

Firstly, Lilith never said that the games had to be Minecraft related or Sandbox oriented, your putting words in Her / His mouth to make your argument look more valid, and yes, that is exactly what is going on.

Secondly, if I wanted to watch a CG movie I would go watch a CG movie, there is no reason for games to be a giant CG cut scene and quick time event. I think the point Lilith was / did / is getting at is that if we spent more money on developing gameplay, and letting the art team choose a style that would work for the game at a relatively decent budget, there would be tons left over to beta test and all that good stuff. If Skyrim had a certain graphical fidelity to be more stylistic instead of realistic the game could probably let you go anywhere in the game without loading screens. Cutting down time of traveling in half. The game would also have less bugs due to Beta Testers could be hired at a more frequent rate.

I think I'm just expanding my views onto Lilith's but I do think thats what he / she was getting at was, at the core, if we stopped striving for more perfect realism, and started to stride for better, less buggy games and probably a more open publisher base then we would have a better industry.

 

[Epona]

System is broken and corrupt, weak at its foundation. It should be torn down and rebuilt by people with a passion for the art of game making instead of suits in offices only interested in profit margins. The games industry has half sold its soul and only a revolution can fix it

So one of the industries making the most money is weak and broken? People only care about money?

You think it's wrong that the people working in it are concerned about making money. Well are you concerned about making money? Would you be willing to work for the bare minimum of life expences? If you say yes I know you are lying because you have a computer and you use it for something that isn't work related. You are granting yourself luxury rather than forsake earthly possessions while complaining how others care about them. You basically said that you want to see thousands of people lose their job just to make the world more passionate.
Clearly a selfish desire.

If you can name one industry that doesn't concern itself with money I will be impressed. Every artist wants to live off their craft. Every artist wants to have steady meals. Only the best get wealthy and even those who become wealthy can be passionate.

You think that an industry that has failed in the past will rebuild and care less about money? Now that is just stupidity. As it is now the industry got the money it needs to take risks. If the industry fails and rebuild they will try to find a pattern they can follow to avoid risks of losing their investment money. An industry on its brink of failing wont take risks. If you believe it does then you clearly don't know the first thing about management or economy.

Being concerned with money is one thing but being overly greedy is another. This industry wants to sacrifice consumer rights for more money and I don't think I am alone in calling that overly greedy.

You go on pretending that there are only 2 sides though (no money/money).

And the industry failing and leaving thousands without jobs will make the industry less greedy how? Do you honestly believe that a new healthier industry will grow in the ashes of the old one?

You didn't even bother respond to my whole post so I take it that you don't have enough knowledge to do so. You don't want to admit that I am right about a lot of things. If you want to discuss something, that's fine, but if you want to tell me I am wrong and ignore 70% of what I say then please refrain from doing that.

I read your whole post but saw no reason to comment on it all.

If the industry fails, of course it will make them less greedy. Common sense here, a company almost out of business cares more about customer service, a company out of business isn't even on the grid.

Yes, I believe the industry that came after the crash of 83 was healthier, that's why it's lasted this long but they are currently too greedy and selfish (ie, consumer rights should matter more than profit) and need to start anew. The ultimate power lies with the consumer as it did in 1983. If the consumer decides that games aren't worth more than their consumer rights (or worth the asking price) then they will stop buying. That time is coming.

 

[Yopaz]

System is broken and corrupt, weak at its foundation. It should be torn down and rebuilt by people with a passion for the art of game making instead of suits in offices only interested in profit margins. The games industry has half sold its soul and only a revolution can fix it

So one of the industries making the most money is weak and broken? People only care about money?

You think it's wrong that the people working in it are concerned about making money. Well are you concerned about making money? Would you be willing to work for the bare minimum of life expences? If you say yes I know you are lying because you have a computer and you use it for something that isn't work related. You are granting yourself luxury rather than forsake earthly possessions while complaining how others care about them. You basically said that you want to see thousands of people lose their job just to make the world more passionate.
Clearly a selfish desire.

If you can name one industry that doesn't concern itself with money I will be impressed. Every artist wants to live off their craft. Every artist wants to have steady meals. Only the best get wealthy and even those who become wealthy can be passionate.

You think that an industry that has failed in the past will rebuild and care less about money? Now that is just stupidity. As it is now the industry got the money it needs to take risks. If the industry fails and rebuild they will try to find a pattern they can follow to avoid risks of losing their investment money. An industry on its brink of failing wont take risks. If you believe it does then you clearly don't know the first thing about management or economy.

Being concerned with money is one thing but being overly greedy is another. This industry wants to sacrifice consumer rights for more money and I don't think I am alone in calling that overly greedy.

You go on pretending that there are only 2 sides though (no money/money).

And the industry failing and leaving thousands without jobs will make the industry less greedy how? Do you honestly believe that a new healthier industry will grow in the ashes of the old one?

You didn't even bother respond to my whole post so I take it that you don't have enough knowledge to do so. You don't want to admit that I am right about a lot of things. If you want to discuss something, that's fine, but if you want to tell me I am wrong and ignore 70% of what I say then please refrain from doing that.

I read your whole post but saw no reason to comment on it all.

If the industry fails, of course it will make them less greedy. Common sense here, a company almost out of business cares more about customer service, a company out of business isn't even on the grid.

Yes, I believe the industry that came after the crash of 83 was healthier, that's why it's lasted this long but they are currently too greedy and selfish (ie, consumer rights should matter more than profit) and need to start anew. The ultimate power lies with the consumer as it did in 1983. If the consumer decides that games aren't worth more than their consumer rights (or worth the asking price) then they will stop buying.

So you believe that an industry that has to save every dime will be less greedy? An industry that either gain profit or fail in the progress is better than an industry that can afford to lose money from time to time? An industry that has to live off loans will less greedy? Are you hearing yourself here?

Also you are comparing the small video game industry to the massive video game industry. When the industry failed the first time it was small. A big game took maybe a dozen to develop. When that industry failed there were still lost jobs, but it can't be compared to how it is now. Are you seriously open to seeing thousands of people losing their jobs? Because that is what's going to happen if the industry fails. Is it out of greed that I don't want to see lots of people I probably wont meet lose their jobs? People who are still paying for their education. It's selfish of you to want a crash and if you are only able to address my post by calling the video game industry greedy while ignoring all the things I mentioned that is bad about the industry failing then there's no use discussing this. I have never said they weren't greedy. I said every industry is greedy. Should all industry fail?

 

[Epona]

System is broken and corrupt, weak at its foundation. It should be torn down and rebuilt by people with a passion for the art of game making instead of suits in offices only interested in profit margins. The games industry has half sold its soul and only a revolution can fix it

So one of the industries making the most money is weak and broken? People only care about money?

You think it's wrong that the people working in it are concerned about making money. Well are you concerned about making money? Would you be willing to work for the bare minimum of life expences? If you say yes I know you are lying because you have a computer and you use it for something that isn't work related. You are granting yourself luxury rather than forsake earthly possessions while complaining how others care about them. You basically said that you want to see thousands of people lose their job just to make the world more passionate.
Clearly a selfish desire.

If you can name one industry that doesn't concern itself with money I will be impressed. Every artist wants to live off their craft. Every artist wants to have steady meals. Only the best get wealthy and even those who become wealthy can be passionate.

You think that an industry that has failed in the past will rebuild and care less about money? Now that is just stupidity. As it is now the industry got the money it needs to take risks. If the industry fails and rebuild they will try to find a pattern they can follow to avoid risks of losing their investment money. An industry on its brink of failing wont take risks. If you believe it does then you clearly don't know the first thing about management or economy.

Being concerned with money is one thing but being overly greedy is another. This industry wants to sacrifice consumer rights for more money and I don't think I am alone in calling that overly greedy.

You go on pretending that there are only 2 sides though (no money/money).

And the industry failing and leaving thousands without jobs will make the industry less greedy how? Do you honestly believe that a new healthier industry will grow in the ashes of the old one?

You didn't even bother respond to my whole post so I take it that you don't have enough knowledge to do so. You don't want to admit that I am right about a lot of things. If you want to discuss something, that's fine, but if you want to tell me I am wrong and ignore 70% of what I say then please refrain from doing that.

I read your whole post but saw no reason to comment on it all.

If the industry fails, of course it will make them less greedy. Common sense here, a company almost out of business cares more about customer service, a company out of business isn't even on the grid.

Yes, I believe the industry that came after the crash of 83 was healthier, that's why it's lasted this long but they are currently too greedy and selfish (ie, consumer rights should matter more than profit) and need to start anew. The ultimate power lies with the consumer as it did in 1983. If the consumer decides that games aren't worth more than their consumer rights (or worth the asking price) then they will stop buying.

So you believe that an industry that has to save every dime will be less greedy? An industry that either gain profit or fail in the progress is better than an industry that can afford to lose money from time to time? An industry that has to live off loans will less greedy? Are you hearing yourself here?

Also you are comparing the small video game industry to the massive video game industry. When the industry failed the first time it was small. A big game took maybe a dozen to develop. When that industry failed there were still lost jobs, but it can't be compared to how it is now. Are you seriously open to seeing thousands of people losing their jobs? Because that is what's going to happen if the industry fails. Is it out of greed that I don't want to see lots of people I probably wont meet lose their jobs? People who are still paying for their education. It's selfish of you to want a crash and if you are only able to address my post by calling the video game industry greedy while ignoring all the things I mentioned that is bad about the industry failing then there's no use discussing this. I have never said they weren't greedy. I said every industry is greedy. Should all industry fail?

What a waste of time.

I have told you what I think and I see no reason to repeat the same answer over and over again to someone who clearly only sees black and white. There are shades of grey. You can make enough money to stay in business without being overly greedy and trying to destroy consumer rights. You know things are out of control when consumers don't even care about their own rights.

Also, if you are going to have the attitude that "anything goes" because people might lose their job, then you are not open minded enough to look at the rainbow on the other side of the river.

We're done!

 

[bojackx]

249 votes to 250 votes? Holy crap...

But I would not like that. I have yet to find that many awesome ass indie titles and quite a lot of series' I play are AAA titles, meaning I wouldn't be able to play any new games by them. As far as indie games go that I love, it's probably just Minecraft and if Killing Floor is indie, that one too...

 

[Yopaz]

System is broken and corrupt, weak at its foundation. It should be torn down and rebuilt by people with a passion for the art of game making instead of suits in offices only interested in profit margins. The games industry has half sold its soul and only a revolution can fix it

So one of the industries making the most money is weak and broken? People only care about money?

You think it's wrong that the people working in it are concerned about making money. Well are you concerned about making money? Would you be willing to work for the bare minimum of life expences? If you say yes I know you are lying because you have a computer and you use it for something that isn't work related. You are granting yourself luxury rather than forsake earthly possessions while complaining how others care about them. You basically said that you want to see thousands of people lose their job just to make the world more passionate.
Clearly a selfish desire.

If you can name one industry that doesn't concern itself with money I will be impressed. Every artist wants to live off their craft. Every artist wants to have steady meals. Only the best get wealthy and even those who become wealthy can be passionate.

You think that an industry that has failed in the past will rebuild and care less about money? Now that is just stupidity. As it is now the industry got the money it needs to take risks. If the industry fails and rebuild they will try to find a pattern they can follow to avoid risks of losing their investment money. An industry on its brink of failing wont take risks. If you believe it does then you clearly don't know the first thing about management or economy.

Being concerned with money is one thing but being overly greedy is another. This industry wants to sacrifice consumer rights for more money and I don't think I am alone in calling that overly greedy.

You go on pretending that there are only 2 sides though (no money/money).

And the industry failing and leaving thousands without jobs will make the industry less greedy how? Do you honestly believe that a new healthier industry will grow in the ashes of the old one?

You didn't even bother respond to my whole post so I take it that you don't have enough knowledge to do so. You don't want to admit that I am right about a lot of things. If you want to discuss something, that's fine, but if you want to tell me I am wrong and ignore 70% of what I say then please refrain from doing that.

I read your whole post but saw no reason to comment on it all.

If the industry fails, of course it will make them less greedy. Common sense here, a company almost out of business cares more about customer service, a company out of business isn't even on the grid.

Yes, I believe the industry that came after the crash of 83 was healthier, that's why it's lasted this long but they are currently too greedy and selfish (ie, consumer rights should matter more than profit) and need to start anew. The ultimate power lies with the consumer as it did in 1983. If the consumer decides that games aren't worth more than their consumer rights (or worth the asking price) then they will stop buying.

So you believe that an industry that has to save every dime will be less greedy? An industry that either gain profit or fail in the progress is better than an industry that can afford to lose money from time to time? An industry that has to live off loans will less greedy? Are you hearing yourself here?

Also you are comparing the small video game industry to the massive video game industry. When the industry failed the first time it was small. A big game took maybe a dozen to develop. When that industry failed there were still lost jobs, but it can't be compared to how it is now. Are you seriously open to seeing thousands of people losing their jobs? Because that is what's going to happen if the industry fails. Is it out of greed that I don't want to see lots of people I probably wont meet lose their jobs? People who are still paying for their education. It's selfish of you to want a crash and if you are only able to address my post by calling the video game industry greedy while ignoring all the things I mentioned that is bad about the industry failing then there's no use discussing this. I have never said they weren't greedy. I said every industry is greedy. Should all industry fail?

What a waste of time.

I have told you what I think and I see no reason to repeat the same answer over and over again to someone who clearly only sees black and white. There are shades of grey. You can make enough money to stay in business without being overly greedy and trying to destroy consumer rights. You know things are out of control when consumers don't even care about their own rights.

Also, if you are going to have the attitude that "anything goes" because people might lose their job, then you are not open minded enough to look at the rainbow on the other side of the river.

We're done!

I am not asking you to repeat the same answer again and again. I am asking you to answer it once because as I have said, you ignore 70% of my first post and said in your last post that you didn't want to address that. You have not given me a rational explanation for anything, you have given me idealistic dribble and avoided what you know you can't argue against. You get mad at me while you are the one who keep replying. You are the one who don't explain your reasoning. I have given my reasoning, you tell me I am wrong and ignore reasoning. I am simply asking you to answer how I am wrong.
You have accused me of seeing things in black and white, but I see the people this hurts. I see history and economy in progress. I see human nature. I see things aren't perfect and I don't think they ever will be. I see nuances. You see the industry as a black evil monster before the crash. You see the industry as a white pure angel after it's being restored. If you don't dare to admit that you're wrong or dare to attack my reasoning I understand that, but please in the future try to at least have any base for your discussions before engaging in one, if you do that you might not need to direct your anger at the person you're discussing with.

 

[Epona]

Ok, I will answer this one last post.

I am not asking you to repeat the same answer again and again.

There is only one answer. I would be ok with the industry crashing because it's been downhill for awhile and it's all downhill from here. A crash is coming no matter what we say here.

I am asking you to answer it once because as I have said, you ignore 70% of my first post and said in your last post that you didn't want to address that.

Wrong. I didn't comment on everything in your first post but that isn't the same as ignoring it.

You have not given me a rational explanation for anything, you have given me idealistic dribble and avoided what you know you can't argue against.

I have told you my position and explained my reasons. If you don't accept my explanation that's your problem, not mine.

You get mad at me while you are the one who keep replying.

I can see how you would think I am mad at you, I am not though. I just know what you're going to type over and over again (those poor developers) and I don't need to waste time reading it anymore than you need to waste time typing it. It's a dead horse and all the good will that people had for devs has been killed by an overly greedy, overly controlling industry that those devs are a part of.

I don't see the distinction between Bioware and EA anymore, for example.

You are the one who don't explain your reasoning.

Yes I have.

I have given my reasoning, you tell me I am wrong and ignore reasoning. I am simply asking you to answer how I am wrong.

I never said you were wrong. It is a difference of opinion, nothing more.

You have accused me of seeing things in black and white, but I see the people this hurts

The industry is currently hurting consumers. You care about that don't you?

I see history and economy in progress.

So you say but you don't know that the industry came out better for everyone after the crash of 83 and history would likely repeat itself.

You see the industry as a black evil monster before the crash

I see the industry as overly greedy and selfish and I don't see them changing without a major event.

You see the industry as a white pure angel after it's being restored.

I see the industry as returning to basics when it's restored. You do like putting words in my mouth don't you. Don't answer, this is my last post to you anyway.

 

[LilithSlave]

I think we can conclude you're being deliberately obtuse

"We"? You're far more alone than you think you are in this thread. It's rather egotistical and condescending to automatically assume everyone in the thread backs you up instead of just you, when you're the only one arguing with me. I'm getting very tired of this sort of tone in internet debates where are user singles another user out with a ridiculing tone, as picking someone apart and having some kind of authority to make them lose face in front of the world population for their entire life or something similarly incredibly silly for one person to be doing on a tiny forum on the internet. Not to mention incredibly rude and 'troll-ish'. Who is this "we"?

People should never use "we" like this in an argument. And it's all too common. It's an agitative forum of debate and argument that doesn't lend itself to civility. And is nothing more than a cheap attempt to establish one's position as superior. Without actually making the debate.

Also, obtuse is a word best used to describe someone who deliberately avoids arguments, strawmans, and simplifies things past their ability to be simplified, to their own liking or interpretation. All of which you are doing.

You were wrong with your original claim yet refuse to admit it.

I misspoke. Rather, the entire claim was too general to not be latched onto by the likes of you.

If you cannot do that, what hope is there for you to open both eyes

Your unnecessary rude tone does nothing to help your argument.

to the fact that not every game needs to be fucking Minecraft, or even open-world?

Strawman argument. Stop using your misguided interpretations as an argument.

 

[Wolfenbarg]

This poll is a bit idiotic, and not representative of the market at all. Gaming is pulling in more money than motion pictures. You think niche gaming is pulling in most of those numbers? I don't think so. It would be horrible for the economy, and the industry would take decades to recover. The niche game developers would also lose their biggest distribution platforms like Steam, XBLA, PSN, etc. It wouldn't promote independent development, because this industry would be DEAD.

 

[applesandoranges]

edit

 

[GoaThief]

/snip

Address the on-topic points raised or hush to be honest. When all else fails, ad hominem?

*EDIT*

I think we can conclude you're being deliberately obtuse, you said a good game cannot be ten minutes long. That game is good. You can complete it in five minutes. You even said all the different aspects of it were good... the only point is that other games are better. That is perfectly fine, but it does not stop The Impossible Game from being good. You were wrong with your original claim yet refuse to admit it.

If you cannot do that, what hope is there for you to open both eyes to the fact that not every game needs to be fucking Minecraft, or even open-world? It's incredible that you're fine with every other form of entertainment media having varying lengths, content, themes, narratives, whatever - but not games. You'd throw the vast majority of the people involved with producing games under the bus because you have some weird and very narrow definitions of what a "good" game can be. Sanctimonious, much?

Oh, and you are being over-sensitive. Consider how insensitive you are being to those who's well-being is on the line... a few blunt posts with no pretence pales in comparison

Again, why does every single AAA game have to be over 100 hours long with poor graphics? Why have you invented this odd standard and who made you an authority on AAA definitions? Why would you see god knows how many thousands unemployed and the economy further ruined just because you'd rather see the market only cater to your abnormal definitions? Surely the bigger the industry the more likely every type of game will be made, less money equals less titles and variation.

 

[LilithSlave]

Address the on-topic points raised or hush to be honest, ad hominem much?

Are you going to end your argument in an irony before even ever making a single worthwhile argument?

You didn't make any "on topic points".

You didn't raise anything other than rude attacks on me, and strawman arguments of my position.

 

[Bvenged]

It would be impossible for a total crash to occur and wipe AAA titles off the face of the planet for a period of time; though don't mistake me for thinking there won't be a crash, there most certainly will if some publishers continue mounting public distrust and customer hate like they're doing now - and don't say they're not, all you have to do is search "Game publishers" into Google News and a large portion of those stories are berating the industries' decision or ignorant pursuit of something or another.

So lets assume nothing publishers do changes for the best for consumers, and a crash occurs. Initially we will not see any AA titles released. Indie devs, on the other hand, will suddenly be swimming in our attention as they are not tied to the mega-corporations. There will be a quiet spell and a fair few AAA titles will not make it out of the total collapse of the publishers - which will be caused by a loss of consumer confidence (IE what's happening now) but the smart developers will be able to reap their IPs out of the ashes and continue as Indie developers do now.
Also, not all developers / publishers would be hit by the crash. I would put money on it Bethesda and Valve's Steam survive. They are in consumers good books and are up-to-date with the industry whilst not trying to trick customers into less product and more cost. Well, at least that's the personal impression I'm getting from Activision, EA, THQ, Ubisoft, Capcom, etc. etc. with all these one-use codes, disc locked content, hard deadlines, extortionate prices, shovelware and touched-up games selling more-than full price.

Lets just hope most of us are wrong and there is no crash, but instead the publishers clear their act up and cut costs & pricing to make and retail games, cut the crap dlc and actually work on a highly successful model to replace the need for people to pirate, to counter piracy. Though I really would like a crash now, come to think of it. It would be a blacket-wipe of all the crap in the industry. If a company falls in a crash, then you know they were either very, very unlucky; or doing their business wrong by rubbing their customers the wrong way.

 

[Epona]

This poll is a bit idiotic, and not representative of the market at all. Gaming is pulling in more money than motion pictures. You think niche gaming is pulling in most of those numbers? I don't think so. It would be horrible for the economy, and the industry would take decades to recover. The niche game developers would also lose their biggest distribution platforms like Steam, XBLA, PSN, etc. It wouldn't promote independent development, because this industry would be DEAD.

I doubt Steam would die since indie games thrive on Steam and even if Steam did die, there will still be people making downloadable games and there will still be PayPal.

 

[boag]

This poll is a bit idiotic, and not representative of the market at all. Gaming is pulling in more money than motion pictures. You think niche gaming is pulling in most of those numbers? I don't think so. It would be horrible for the economy, and the industry would take decades to recover. The niche game developers would also lose their biggest distribution platforms like Steam, XBLA, PSN, etc. It wouldn't promote independent development, because this industry would be DEAD.

ok, Why is the poll idiotic?
Its asking for opinions not facts, how does that make the poll idiotic?

Also, I do not believe the Industry would remain dead forever, I would love for examples of Industries that crashed and died forever to be presented, I have looked for instances of industries being killed off, and most of the time the only reason no records are held any longer is because most of those industries became illegal.

Lastly, I hope you have numbers to prove your claim, because the only thing I can find is this


http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=5&step=1

Line 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010
45 Information 92.679 100.000 101.530 109.310 111.156 107.166 110.347
46 Publishing industries (includes software) 93.614 100.000 87.665 102.581 94.674 92.219 95.442
47 Motion picture and sound recording industries 102.812 100.000 103.488 105.061 99.702 92.898 97.712
48 Broadcasting and telecommunications 87.588 100.000 104.560 113.843 121.040 115.422 119.290
49 Information and data processing services 105.902 100.000 116.587 107.190 113.662 115.894 114.379

and it doesnt even let the Video game industry stand alone, it mixes it with other software publishing, so unless videogames count for more than 95% of all software sales in the US, your statement might be very wrong.

 

[boag]

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Address the on-topic points raised or hush to be honest. When all else fails, ad hominem?

*EDIT*

I think we can conclude you're being deliberately obtuse, you said a good game cannot be ten minutes long. That game is good. You can complete it in five minutes. You even said all the different aspects of it were good... the only point is that other games are better. That is perfectly fine, but it does not stop The Impossible Game from being good. You were wrong with your original claim yet refuse to admit it.

If you cannot do that, what hope is there for you to open both eyes to the fact that not every game needs to be fucking Minecraft, or even open-world? It's incredible that you're fine with every other form of entertainment media having varying lengths, content, themes, narratives, whatever - but not games. You'd throw the vast majority of the people involved with producing games under the bus because you have some weird and very narrow definitions of what a "good" game can be. Sanctimonious, much?

Oh, and you are being over-sensitive. Consider how insensitive you are being to those who's well-being is on the line... a few blunt posts with no pretence pales in comparison

Again, why does every single AAA game have to be over 100 hours long with poor graphics? Why have you invented this odd standard and who made you an authority on AAA definitions? Why would you see god knows how many thousands unemployed and the economy further ruined just because you'd rather see the market only cater to your abnormal definitions? Surely the bigger the industry the more likely every type of game will be made, less money equals less titles and variation.

Address the on-topic points raised or hush to be honest, ad hominem much?

Are you going to end your argument in an irony before even ever making a single worthwhile argument?

You didn't make any "on topic points".

You didn't raise anything other than rude attacks on me, and strawman arguments of my position.

How about you 2 list off the points on why you agree/disagree that the Industry should crash/not crash, that way you can post your points in a simple context, heck you might find yourselves agreeing in some stances.

 

[Elementary - Dear Watson]

Personally I have been very busy the last few years and have missed many good titles... also I don't have a PS3, so I could easily use a 5-10 year gap to catch up!!