Poll: Would you be ok with the Games Industry Crashing and not having AAA titles for 5-10 Years?

[LilithSlave]

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I think we can conclude you're being deliberately obtuse, you said a good game cannot be ten minutes long. That game is good. You can complete it in five minutes. You even said all the different aspects of it were good... the only point is that other games are better. That is perfectly fine, but it does not stop The Impossible Game from being good. You were wrong with your original claim yet refuse to admit it.

I responded to that by recanting my statement. I said that my wording, and therefor my statement was wrong. And not specific enough. If admitting to being wrong about something is avoiding argument, what else do you expect from me?

Admittedly, this is mostly a semantics thing and what's really "good". Said game is NOT a AAA game. It's "good" in it's brevity, but it's not good in terms of what one can do with a AAA budget. Budget is an issue here, said game is "good" for what little it is, what little budget it was on, how short it is. But if a game was made that was AAA that didn't have any better gameplay than that, then it would be a very "bad" game as it would completely waste money.

Of course, I've already said and addressed this. And it has been ignored in favor of just cheaply dismissing my posts. Continually.

Highlighted text:It's incredible that you're fine with every other form of entertainment media having varying lengths, content, themes, narratives, whatever - but not games. You'd throw the vast majority of the people involved with producing games under the bus because you have some weird and very narrow definitions of what a "good" game can be.

As I stated, that's another strawman argument. I never said anything about being fine with other media varying and not video games. A game of a massive budget and effort should merely reflect that in it's gameplay.

Believe it or not, I believe games should have good gameplay. And big budgets, should be spent on, if anything, gameplay over other things, like graphics. That has nothing to do with not accepting variety.

I never said anything about content. I said that games should have more and better content.

And I said nothing of negativity towards people making games. This is another, overly dramatic strawman.

How about you 2 list off the points on why you agree/disagree that the Industry should crash/not crash, that way you can post your points in a simple context, heck you might find yourselves agreeing in some stances.

Well, first of all, it depends on what means by a "crash".

I think that the gaming industry needs a renaissance.

I think that major publishers like EA need to fold and go away. At least in that sense, I don't care about "throwing under the bus". Mostly because I find them to be both stealing from developers and consumers and controlling the market far too much.

The 'sound' of a crash, whatever disagreeable implications there may be, sounds nice at least, because of the idea of starting from a blank slate. An industry where people aren't afraid to make little games like "The Impossible Game" and release them because of graphics overtaking the market. The market has become bloated, while it may not need to crash, and I don't want to see any talented developers unable to work on games again, it needs to be debloated. The crash at least, needs to come crashing down.

I don't think that the video game industry itself needs to crash. Because then, video games would not be profitable, and there would be less to work with. But a new "blank slate" sounds nice. Rather, some problems in the industry collapsing.

The matter of the fact is, a lot of the games being produced have gameplay that isn't much better than "The Impossible Game", with thousands of times the budget. There's something wrong with that. And money is going to the wrong places.

The industry itself doesn't need to crash, it needs to stay strong. But the overly corporate aspect does not benefit games and needs to crash and die completely. I won't bat a tear for people who make millions off of leeching ungratefully off of developers. I think that indie gaming needs to completely overtake the market. EA, Ubisoft, and several other groups need to disappear fast, and the entire video gaming industry needs to be decentralized.

 

[LilithSlave]

I apologize for the double post.

 

[Blue Deity]

If the gaming industry died tomorrow, I wouldn't bat an eyelash.

 

[Nomanslander]

Hell fucking no! I'm trying to get my bachelors in Game Art Design. In a year from now I should be working in the industry. A second game crash means I'll be ass out of luck in finding a job. So to all of you artsy high brow gamers wishing for the game industry to be destroyed and built back from the ground up. GFY

=P

 

[Wolfenbarg]

This poll is a bit idiotic, and not representative of the market at all. Gaming is pulling in more money than motion pictures. You think niche gaming is pulling in most of those numbers? I don't think so. It would be horrible for the economy, and the industry would take decades to recover. The niche game developers would also lose their biggest distribution platforms like Steam, XBLA, PSN, etc. It wouldn't promote independent development, because this industry would be DEAD.

ok, Why is the poll idiotic?
Its asking for opinions not facts, how does that make the poll idiotic?

Also, I do not believe the Industry would remain dead forever, I would love for examples of Industries that crashed and died forever to be presented, I have looked for instances of industries being killed off, and most of the time the only reason no records are held any longer is because most of those industries became illegal.

Lastly, I hope you have numbers to prove your claim, because the only thing I can find is this


http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=5&step=1

Line 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010
45 Information 92.679 100.000 101.530 109.310 111.156 107.166 110.347
46 Publishing industries (includes software) 93.614 100.000 87.665 102.581 94.674 92.219 95.442
47 Motion picture and sound recording industries 102.812 100.000 103.488 105.061 99.702 92.898 97.712
48 Broadcasting and telecommunications 87.588 100.000 104.560 113.843 121.040 115.422 119.290
49 Information and data processing services 105.902 100.000 116.587 107.190 113.662 115.894 114.379

and it doesnt even let the Video game industry stand alone, it mixes it with other software publishing, so unless videogames count for more than 95% of all software sales in the US, your statement might be very wrong.

It's idiotic because it fuels the idea that the big publishers represent everything that is wrong with the industry while being the biggest source of its success. We can act like hipsters all we want and say that the independent market is better, but the numbers don't support that when you see just how many units of big studio games like Call of Duty, Halo, Mass Effect, Skyrim, Uncharted, and so on are sold. The games industry only started thriving *because* of these titles. Killer apps sold more hardware, and that's why gaming went from a small niche into a full-on phenomenon when the PS2 generation began.

Even as a more hardcore gamer, I know I certainly wouldn't be sticking around with games if all I had to rely on were independent games. I can't think of anything I've played in the last few years that wasn't published by a major studio. Most people are on the exact same page. That would be like imagining the auto industry without the top earning players, or Hollywood without the major studios. It would just be dead. I also can't provide evidence of an industry which has died and stayed dead, because in the past the term 'died' was never as drastic as an industry this expensive and bloated losing EVERY major player.

Just use google for numbers. Video games have been making more money than movies for years now. It's not really surprising when you have full priced titles selling millions of units on release and some of the largest subscription services around with the top tier MMOs. Then you factor in hardware sales. People aren't spending that kind of dough to go to the movies.

 

[BENZOOKA]

No. There's no way I can even see it possible, so that's basically it.

 

[boag]

This poll is a bit idiotic, and not representative of the market at all. Gaming is pulling in more money than motion pictures. You think niche gaming is pulling in most of those numbers? I don't think so. It would be horrible for the economy, and the industry would take decades to recover. The niche game developers would also lose their biggest distribution platforms like Steam, XBLA, PSN, etc. It wouldn't promote independent development, because this industry would be DEAD.

ok, Why is the poll idiotic?
Its asking for opinions not facts, how does that make the poll idiotic?

Also, I do not believe the Industry would remain dead forever, I would love for examples of Industries that crashed and died forever to be presented, I have looked for instances of industries being killed off, and most of the time the only reason no records are held any longer is because most of those industries became illegal.

Lastly, I hope you have numbers to prove your claim, because the only thing I can find is this


http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?ReqID=5&step=1

Line 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010
45 Information 92.679 100.000 101.530 109.310 111.156 107.166 110.347
46 Publishing industries (includes software) 93.614 100.000 87.665 102.581 94.674 92.219 95.442
47 Motion picture and sound recording industries 102.812 100.000 103.488 105.061 99.702 92.898 97.712
48 Broadcasting and telecommunications 87.588 100.000 104.560 113.843 121.040 115.422 119.290
49 Information and data processing services 105.902 100.000 116.587 107.190 113.662 115.894 114.379

and it doesnt even let the Video game industry stand alone, it mixes it with other software publishing, so unless videogames count for more than 95% of all software sales in the US, your statement might be very wrong.

It's idiotic because it fuels the idea that the big publishers represent everything that is wrong with the industry while being the biggest source of its success.

Nowhere in my initial statement nor poll did I declare that "big publishers represent everything that is wrong with the industry". This is something that has been projected by individual posters, if anything its not idiotic its a biased opinion, just like your opinion that anyone thinking like that is biased on its own.

We can act like hipsters all we want and say that the independent market is better, but the numbers don't support that when you see just how many units of big studio games like Call of Duty, Halo, Mass Effect, Skyrim, Uncharted, and so on are sold.

numbers sold =/= profit earned, or GDP contributed, just making this clear so that you do not make a mistaken supposition.

The games industry only started thriving *because* of these titles. Killer apps sold more hardware, and that's why gaming went from a small niche into a full-on phenomenon when the PS2 generation began.

This statement is wrong, the Videogame industry has been very profitable and making loads of money ever since the days of pong, even when the crash hit, the industry immediately recovered by expanding into other areas, like the arcades. The Gaming industry has always thrived and been successful.

Even as a more hardcore gamer, I know I certainly wouldn't be sticking around with games if all I had to rely on were independent games.

you know how you used the word hipster earlier on your post, I hope you can find the irony in your statement.

I can't think of anything I've played in the last few years that wasn't published by a major studio. Most people are on the exact same page. That would be like imagining the auto industry without the top earning players, or Hollywood without the major studios.

Maybe its because you havent studied history, or you are just to young, but events have wiped out the big players have happened in the past, you know GM that big Automobile Manufacturer and Top Industry Company? Yeah that one is built upon the ashes of Chevy, which was once the top dog of Car manufacturing.

Do you know Paramount that shitted out the 3B movie Frnachise Transformers?. Well it was a small player back in the day until RKO went under.

It would just be dead. I also can't provide evidence of an industry which has died and stayed dead, because in the past the term 'died' was never as drastic as an industry this expensive and bloated losing EVERY major player.

Hold it,if you cannot provide any historical or even statistical data proving that the industry would remain dead after an economic collapse, then how are you reaching the conclusion?

Just use google for numbers. Video games have been making more money than movies for years now. It's not really surprising when you have full priced titles selling millions of units on release and some of the largest subscription services around with the top tier MMOs. Then you factor in hardware sales. People aren't spending that kind of dough to go to the movies.

I did Google numbers, and I provided you with a source and of how much each industry has contributed to the GDP, and the sales of software are very relative to the Movie industry, with the Movie industry actually contributing a bit more than software sales. If we made a wild extrapolation and took around 10% of the manufacturing industry and 40% of Information and Data Processing Services and 40% of Software Publishing, that still wouldnt go beyond what the movie industry is contributing.

 

[Skops]

Yes, I spend too much money on video games as it is. That, and I have a backlog of games of close to 200. Even IF I got through all the games I own, I'm sure I'd love to go back and play most of them.

Game Industry crash, ok for me. I'm set.