Poll: Would you die for your country?

[Mistermixmaster]

For my country? No. It's just a plot of land.

For the people in that land? Hell yes.

This, pretty much.

Reason? Because the land itself has no special meaning for me, but the people who live here do. (Also, I'd try to avoid the "dying" part.)

 

[Yureina]

Only in the case of invasion or attack. No other reason would work for me.

 

[k3v1n]

I wouldn't fight for my country, I'd fight for my freedom(in case the invader was of some totalitarian sort)

 

[Digikid]

No. It is just a chunk of dirt.

 

[sheah1]

Oh and AbsoluteVirtue18? You sir deserve a thread wide epic high five. And the klondike bar.

 

[Dorby5826and360]

No, I hate my government right now because of all the Communist Liberals that are in charge of it.

You realize that it is absolutely impossible for someone to be simultaneously both a Communist and a Liberal right?

Liberalism is a Capitalist ideology (alongside Conservatism and Libertarianism), whereas Communism is about as anti-Capitalist as you can get.

I know that you cannot be Liberal and Communist at the same time. What I am trying to say is that many of the people in the government are saying that they are Liberal, but they are actually Communists who are ruining the U.S. Government. Liberals are left winged and so are Communists, but are further to the left, also both Liberals and Communists have socialist views, which I am against.

Liberals are Capitalist, and do not hold Socialistic views. Liberalism itself, really is not that left. There are people that associate themselves with Liberalism that aren't fully aligned with the ideology, ranging from centre-left to slightly right leaning, but in its purest form Liberalism is pretty much centrist.

There is one open Socialist in the United States government, Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, but I can't think of a single other person in our government with any real Socialistic tenancies. There are people in the government who believe in similar ideals to Socialism and Communism- equality, Democracy, anti-nationalism- but the most far left anyone but Sanders is in our government is maybe Social Democrat, which favors a welfare state within Capitalism.

There are many socialist people in the U.S. Government. Explain the Health Care bill that Obama(Bin Laden, as I like to call him and so do many other people) is getting in to the Government, which is socialist bill. The government is taking away our rights that were given to us when the nation was founded like the right to bear arms. The government is also taking away our privacy because they are listening what we are saying on the phones. These are to just name a couple things hour government is doing. The U.S. was founded on Individual Rights, which the government is trying to get rid of.

 

[Foxbat Flyer]

Yes, I am very proud of my country and town. I wouldnt give up without a fight... think about it, if we didnt defend our country in war, whats saying that the world wouldnt be a comunist society? we would all be speaking japanese (if we dont get killed) I want people to be able to grow up without other countries forcing us to change. Thus, Id die for you Australia!!!

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

No, I hate my government right now because of all the Communist Liberals that are in charge of it.

You realize that it is absolutely impossible for someone to be simultaneously both a Communist and a Liberal right?

Liberalism is a Capitalist ideology (alongside Conservatism and Libertarianism), whereas Communism is about as anti-Capitalist as you can get.

I know that you cannot be Liberal and Communist at the same time. What I am trying to say is that many of the people in the government are saying that they are Liberal, but they are actually Communists who are ruining the U.S. Government. Liberals are left winged and so are Communists, but are further to the left, also both Liberals and Communists have socialist views, which I am against.

Liberals are Capitalist, and do not hold Socialistic views. Liberalism itself, really is not that left. There are people that associate themselves with Liberalism that aren't fully aligned with the ideology, ranging from centre-left to slightly right leaning, but in its purest form Liberalism is pretty much centrist.

There is one open Socialist in the United States government, Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, but I can't think of a single other person in our government with any real Socialistic tenancies. There are people in the government who believe in similar ideals to Socialism and Communism- equality, Democracy, anti-nationalism- but the most far left anyone but Sanders is in our government is maybe Social Democrat, which favors a welfare state within Capitalism.

There are many socialist people in the U.S. Government. Explain the Health Care bill that Obama(Bin Laden, as I like to call him and so do many other people) is getting in to the Government, which is socialist bill. The government is taking away our rights that were given to us when the nation was founded like the right to bear arms. The government is also taking away our privacy because they are listening what we are saying on the phones. These are to just name a couple things hour government is doing. The U.S. was founded on Individual Rights, which the government is trying to get rid of.

I won't defend the actions of the U.S. government, as I dislike them immensely. But I will state that a basic knowledge of Socialist ideology certainly would show that none of these policies are Socialist. The original health care bill had some welfare state aspects, but even those were removed. It never had any sort of ring of Socialism. You probably aren't aware of this, but Socialist Party USA staged a massive campaign against the health care bill because of the long term implications of it against the Socialist cause. In the state in which it was passed, the health care bill is more closely related to corporatism and Fascism than to Socialism. Not to say that it is either corporatist or Fascist, just that it is closer to those than it is to Socialism.

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To make my point in a more condensed form, Socialist ideology promotes equality, anti-authoritarianism, anti-nationalism and Democracy. All the things that you listed contradict these ideals.

 

[Grey_Focks]

If my country were invaded, I see NO reason why they would come to my particular neck of the woods. It's a heavily forested mountainous area with little to no strategic value, AND the majority of the people here are gun owners. What if the enemy DID come here? I would fight them, ofcourse, but I'd also try my hardest to survive and make as many of them die for THEIR country.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Yes, without question. Canada has been good to me and I will do my part to defend it. I pray god that that day never comes.

 

[Dorby5826and360]

No, I hate my government right now because of all the Communist Liberals that are in charge of it.

You realize that it is absolutely impossible for someone to be simultaneously both a Communist and a Liberal right?

Liberalism is a Capitalist ideology (alongside Conservatism and Libertarianism), whereas Communism is about as anti-Capitalist as you can get.

I know that you cannot be Liberal and Communist at the same time. What I am trying to say is that many of the people in the government are saying that they are Liberal, but they are actually Communists who are ruining the U.S. Government. Liberals are left winged and so are Communists, but are further to the left, also both Liberals and Communists have socialist views, which I am against.

Liberals are Capitalist, and do not hold Socialistic views. Liberalism itself, really is not that left. There are people that associate themselves with Liberalism that aren't fully aligned with the ideology, ranging from centre-left to slightly right leaning, but in its purest form Liberalism is pretty much centrist.

There is one open Socialist in the United States government, Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, but I can't think of a single other person in our government with any real Socialistic tenancies. There are people in the government who believe in similar ideals to Socialism and Communism- equality, Democracy, anti-nationalism- but the most far left anyone but Sanders is in our government is maybe Social Democrat, which favors a welfare state within Capitalism.

There are many socialist people in the U.S. Government. Explain the Health Care bill that Obama(Bin Laden, as I like to call him and so do many other people) is getting in to the Government, which is socialist bill. The government is taking away our rights that were given to us when the nation was founded like the right to bear arms. The government is also taking away our privacy because they are listening what we are saying on the phones. These are to just name a couple things hour government is doing. The U.S. was founded on Individual Rights, which the government is trying to get rid of.

I won't defend the actions of the U.S. government, as I dislike them immensely. But I will state that a basic knowledge of Socialist ideology certainly would show that none of these policies are Socialist. The original health care bill had some welfare state aspects, but even those were removed. It never had any sort of ring of Socialism. You probably aren't aware of this, but Socialist Party USA staged a massive campaign against the health care bill because of the long term implications of it against the Socialist cause. In the state in which it was passed, the health care bill is more closely related to corporatism and Fascism than to Socialism. Not to say that it is either corporatist or Fascist, just that it is closer to those than it is to Socialism.

edit-

To make my point in a more condensed form, Socialist ideology promotes equality, anti-authoritarianism, anti-nationalism and Democracy. All the things that you listed contradict these ideals.

The Health Care bill promotes equality, it is all about everyone having equally health care which should not be happening, you should work to afford better health care.

 

[vivalahelvig]

remember...the point of war is not to die for your country....but to make the other bastard die for his. -Patton

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

No, I hate my government right now because of all the Communist Liberals that are in charge of it.

You realize that it is absolutely impossible for someone to be simultaneously both a Communist and a Liberal right?

Liberalism is a Capitalist ideology (alongside Conservatism and Libertarianism), whereas Communism is about as anti-Capitalist as you can get.

I know that you cannot be Liberal and Communist at the same time. What I am trying to say is that many of the people in the government are saying that they are Liberal, but they are actually Communists who are ruining the U.S. Government. Liberals are left winged and so are Communists, but are further to the left, also both Liberals and Communists have socialist views, which I am against.

Liberals are Capitalist, and do not hold Socialistic views. Liberalism itself, really is not that left. There are people that associate themselves with Liberalism that aren't fully aligned with the ideology, ranging from centre-left to slightly right leaning, but in its purest form Liberalism is pretty much centrist.

There is one open Socialist in the United States government, Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, but I can't think of a single other person in our government with any real Socialistic tenancies. There are people in the government who believe in similar ideals to Socialism and Communism- equality, Democracy, anti-nationalism- but the most far left anyone but Sanders is in our government is maybe Social Democrat, which favors a welfare state within Capitalism.

There are many socialist people in the U.S. Government. Explain the Health Care bill that Obama(Bin Laden, as I like to call him and so do many other people) is getting in to the Government, which is socialist bill. The government is taking away our rights that were given to us when the nation was founded like the right to bear arms. The government is also taking away our privacy because they are listening what we are saying on the phones. These are to just name a couple things hour government is doing. The U.S. was founded on Individual Rights, which the government is trying to get rid of.

I won't defend the actions of the U.S. government, as I dislike them immensely. But I will state that a basic knowledge of Socialist ideology certainly would show that none of these policies are Socialist. The original health care bill had some welfare state aspects, but even those were removed. It never had any sort of ring of Socialism. You probably aren't aware of this, but Socialist Party USA staged a massive campaign against the health care bill because of the long term implications of it against the Socialist cause. In the state in which it was passed, the health care bill is more closely related to corporatism and Fascism than to Socialism. Not to say that it is either corporatist or Fascist, just that it is closer to those than it is to Socialism.

edit-

To make my point in a more condensed form, Socialist ideology promotes equality, anti-authoritarianism, anti-nationalism and Democracy. All the things that you listed contradict these ideals.

The Health Care bill promotes equality, it is all about everyone having equally health care which should not be happening, you should work for better health care.

The health care bill may, in a sense, promote equality. However, in another sense, it gives insurance companies 35 million new customers, and forces the other couple hundred million it already has to stay- all while giving them no incentive to change their business practices. The health care bill is going to end up devastating the common man of America, and benefiting the super wealthy, as has almost every piece of legislation in our history. FDR was certainly no Socialist, but he was the last president I can think of who really did anything to help this country deal with the problem of poverty and inequality with any effectiveness.

 

[AgDr_ODST]

No, because that wouldn't help anyone. As Patton said, it isn't dying for your country that matters, it's making the other poor son of a ***** die for his.

Would I be willing to pick up arms to fight that other poor son of a *****? Yes.

inaddition to agreeing with the awesome quoted statment, I would also like to add that I'd would be willing to die to defend friends, and family. But not so much to defend the ground on which DC stands or that my house stands on.

 

[RJ Dalton]

You can never know the strength of your courage until it is tested. I'd like to say that I would, but until the opportunity presents itself, no answer I give has any meaning. On the whole, however, I'd much prefer living for my country. I could serve it much better alive than dead.
It's a moot point, though; being a schizophrenic, I'm not qualified to be a soldier.

 

[ottenni]

To defend the people who live in it, yes without a doubt.

As for the land itself, i would definitely fight for it. But i don't know if i would die.

 

[Varun Garuda Maharaj]

I have a better future with the US or Russia

 

[Low Key]

I don't know if I willingly sign up to die for my country, but if it came down to a platoon of troops walking down my neighborhood, god damn right I'd be in the trees with a rifle picking them off. It's not just a chunk of dirt, as someone so eloquently stated, it's the ideals I'd be protecting.