Poll: Would you die for your country?

[Dorby5826and360]

No, I hate my government right now because of all the Communist Liberals that are in charge of it.

You realize that it is absolutely impossible for someone to be simultaneously both a Communist and a Liberal right?

Liberalism is a Capitalist ideology (alongside Conservatism and Libertarianism), whereas Communism is about as anti-Capitalist as you can get.

I know that you cannot be Liberal and Communist at the same time. What I am trying to say is that many of the people in the government are saying that they are Liberal, but they are actually Communists who are ruining the U.S. Government. Liberals are left winged and so are Communists, but are further to the left, also both Liberals and Communists have socialist views, which I am against.

Liberals are Capitalist, and do not hold Socialistic views. Liberalism itself, really is not that left. There are people that associate themselves with Liberalism that aren't fully aligned with the ideology, ranging from centre-left to slightly right leaning, but in its purest form Liberalism is pretty much centrist.

There is one open Socialist in the United States government, Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, but I can't think of a single other person in our government with any real Socialistic tenancies. There are people in the government who believe in similar ideals to Socialism and Communism- equality, Democracy, anti-nationalism- but the most far left anyone but Sanders is in our government is maybe Social Democrat, which favors a welfare state within Capitalism.

There are many socialist people in the U.S. Government. Explain the Health Care bill that Obama(Bin Laden, as I like to call him and so do many other people) is getting in to the Government, which is socialist bill. The government is taking away our rights that were given to us when the nation was founded like the right to bear arms. The government is also taking away our privacy because they are listening what we are saying on the phones. These are to just name a couple things hour government is doing. The U.S. was founded on Individual Rights, which the government is trying to get rid of.

I won't defend the actions of the U.S. government, as I dislike them immensely. But I will state that a basic knowledge of Socialist ideology certainly would show that none of these policies are Socialist. The original health care bill had some welfare state aspects, but even those were removed. It never had any sort of ring of Socialism. You probably aren't aware of this, but Socialist Party USA staged a massive campaign against the health care bill because of the long term implications of it against the Socialist cause. In the state in which it was passed, the health care bill is more closely related to corporatism and Fascism than to Socialism. Not to say that it is either corporatist or Fascist, just that it is closer to those than it is to Socialism.

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To make my point in a more condensed form, Socialist ideology promotes equality, anti-authoritarianism, anti-nationalism and Democracy. All the things that you listed contradict these ideals.

The Health Care bill promotes equality, it is all about everyone having equally health care which should not be happening, you should work for better health care.

The health care bill may, in a sense, promote equality. However, in another sense, it gives insurance companies 35 million new customers, and forces the other couple hundred million it already has to stay- all while giving them no incentive to change their business practices. The health care bill is going to end up devastating the common man of America, and benefiting the super wealthy, as has almost every piece of legislation in our history. FDR was certainly no Socialist, but he was the last president I can think of who really did anything to help this country deal with the problem of poverty and inequality with any effectiveness.

In equality is not a problem in this county. You should have to work to get the things you want. The County was formed on individual rights.

 

[MorsePacific]

Hell no. I'm not even willing to put my life on the line for 90% of the people I know.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

No, I hate my government right now because of all the Communist Liberals that are in charge of it.

You realize that it is absolutely impossible for someone to be simultaneously both a Communist and a Liberal right?

Liberalism is a Capitalist ideology (alongside Conservatism and Libertarianism), whereas Communism is about as anti-Capitalist as you can get.

I know that you cannot be Liberal and Communist at the same time. What I am trying to say is that many of the people in the government are saying that they are Liberal, but they are actually Communists who are ruining the U.S. Government. Liberals are left winged and so are Communists, but are further to the left, also both Liberals and Communists have socialist views, which I am against.

Liberals are Capitalist, and do not hold Socialistic views. Liberalism itself, really is not that left. There are people that associate themselves with Liberalism that aren't fully aligned with the ideology, ranging from centre-left to slightly right leaning, but in its purest form Liberalism is pretty much centrist.

There is one open Socialist in the United States government, Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, but I can't think of a single other person in our government with any real Socialistic tenancies. There are people in the government who believe in similar ideals to Socialism and Communism- equality, Democracy, anti-nationalism- but the most far left anyone but Sanders is in our government is maybe Social Democrat, which favors a welfare state within Capitalism.

There are many socialist people in the U.S. Government. Explain the Health Care bill that Obama(Bin Laden, as I like to call him and so do many other people) is getting in to the Government, which is socialist bill. The government is taking away our rights that were given to us when the nation was founded like the right to bear arms. The government is also taking away our privacy because they are listening what we are saying on the phones. These are to just name a couple things hour government is doing. The U.S. was founded on Individual Rights, which the government is trying to get rid of.

I won't defend the actions of the U.S. government, as I dislike them immensely. But I will state that a basic knowledge of Socialist ideology certainly would show that none of these policies are Socialist. The original health care bill had some welfare state aspects, but even those were removed. It never had any sort of ring of Socialism. You probably aren't aware of this, but Socialist Party USA staged a massive campaign against the health care bill because of the long term implications of it against the Socialist cause. In the state in which it was passed, the health care bill is more closely related to corporatism and Fascism than to Socialism. Not to say that it is either corporatist or Fascist, just that it is closer to those than it is to Socialism.

edit-

To make my point in a more condensed form, Socialist ideology promotes equality, anti-authoritarianism, anti-nationalism and Democracy. All the things that you listed contradict these ideals.

The Health Care bill promotes equality, it is all about everyone having equally health care which should not be happening, you should work for better health care.

The health care bill may, in a sense, promote equality. However, in another sense, it gives insurance companies 35 million new customers, and forces the other couple hundred million it already has to stay- all while giving them no incentive to change their business practices. The health care bill is going to end up devastating the common man of America, and benefiting the super wealthy, as has almost every piece of legislation in our history. FDR was certainly no Socialist, but he was the last president I can think of who really did anything to help this country deal with the problem of poverty and inequality with any effectiveness.

In equality is not a problem in this county. You should have to work to get the things you want. The County was formed on individual rights.

And before that, we were formed as a colony for the wealth of kings overseas. There is a problem of inequality when there are people starving down the street from a mansion. You say that you have to work for what you want, but there are many people who work that can't even get what they need.

That's not to say that its all bad. There are wealthy people who do give back to their societies and try to help, and I applaud their effort. If everyone had a similar mentality of giving back, I would have no problem with Capitalism, but then again, if everyone had that mentality Capitalism as we recognize it would most likely not exist.

To quote Abraham Lincoln:

"Whenever there is a conflict between human rights and property rights, human rights must prevail."

Now, Lincoln was not a Socialist (I am intentionally only quoting figures you will not immediately fear and reject), but this quote does sum up my feelings on the idea of "individual rights". While I don't believe that anybody has an inherent "right" to have a billion dollars, I do believe that there is an inherent "right" to food, water, shelter, clothing and education. I am pro gun rights, pro gay rights, pro legalization of drugs, despise all forms of racial or gender inequality and rail against police brutality. This is not an unusual set of values for a Socialist, but simply follows the core of Socialist ideology.

 

[RedBeta22]

Not for my country, But for the people who live there.

 

[Lavi]

Canada and yes, but this threat better be like, a fascist USA or something actually major.

 

[Caligulust]

It really depends.
If I would, I'd be dying for quite a few ungrateful idiots.

But given the choice of dying in or for my home, I'd choose for.

 

[TheYellowCellPhone]

I'd be willing to fight for it, but dying for it isn't really my choice.

 

[wolf92]

The object of war is not to die for your country.
It's to make the other bastard die for HIS

 

[LongAndShort]

I'd sooner kill for it, but if that was what was necessary...

 

[cubikill]

With out question.

 

[Firia]

Very simple question, let's say hypothetically, your home country, town, whatever, is invaded and you're given the chance to stand against this hypothetical foe.

Would you be willing to die to defend where you come from?

You have constructed the one scenario wherein I will do battle under the banner of my country. I'm american, and the current fight in Iraq isn't something I can get behind (but hey, we're withdrawing, WOO). If we were being invaded ala Europe in the late 1930's to early 1940's, then yeah, I'd fight to drive the enemy off. Beyond that? Not likely.

 

[freakymojo]

why even bother trying? i live in denmark and during world war II when the germans came we only fought for 2 hours before giving up.

 

[CK76]

I'd die to ensure the next generation enjoys the freedoms I have.

 

[Virgilthepagan]

Maybe a zombie invasion would lead me to consider it, but under normal circumstances, I'm pretty much an expat waiting for his chance to go back to the Netherlands, so no, not for here.

 

[Red Hood]

I would defiantly die for my country. That's not even a question you should ask me.

 

[Dorby5826and360]

No, I hate my government right now because of all the Communist Liberals that are in charge of it.

You realize that it is absolutely impossible for someone to be simultaneously both a Communist and a Liberal right?

Liberalism is a Capitalist ideology (alongside Conservatism and Libertarianism), whereas Communism is about as anti-Capitalist as you can get.

I know that you cannot be Liberal and Communist at the same time. What I am trying to say is that many of the people in the government are saying that they are Liberal, but they are actually Communists who are ruining the U.S. Government. Liberals are left winged and so are Communists, but are further to the left, also both Liberals and Communists have socialist views, which I am against.

Liberals are Capitalist, and do not hold Socialistic views. Liberalism itself, really is not that left. There are people that associate themselves with Liberalism that aren't fully aligned with the ideology, ranging from centre-left to slightly right leaning, but in its purest form Liberalism is pretty much centrist.

There is one open Socialist in the United States government, Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, but I can't think of a single other person in our government with any real Socialistic tenancies. There are people in the government who believe in similar ideals to Socialism and Communism- equality, Democracy, anti-nationalism- but the most far left anyone but Sanders is in our government is maybe Social Democrat, which favors a welfare state within Capitalism.

There are many socialist people in the U.S. Government. Explain the Health Care bill that Obama(Bin Laden, as I like to call him and so do many other people) is getting in to the Government, which is socialist bill. The government is taking away our rights that were given to us when the nation was founded like the right to bear arms. The government is also taking away our privacy because they are listening what we are saying on the phones. These are to just name a couple things hour government is doing. The U.S. was founded on Individual Rights, which the government is trying to get rid of.

I won't defend the actions of the U.S. government, as I dislike them immensely. But I will state that a basic knowledge of Socialist ideology certainly would show that none of these policies are Socialist. The original health care bill had some welfare state aspects, but even those were removed. It never had any sort of ring of Socialism. You probably aren't aware of this, but Socialist Party USA staged a massive campaign against the health care bill because of the long term implications of it against the Socialist cause. In the state in which it was passed, the health care bill is more closely related to corporatism and Fascism than to Socialism. Not to say that it is either corporatist or Fascist, just that it is closer to those than it is to Socialism.

edit-

To make my point in a more condensed form, Socialist ideology promotes equality, anti-authoritarianism, anti-nationalism and Democracy. All the things that you listed contradict these ideals.

The Health Care bill promotes equality, it is all about everyone having equally health care which should not be happening, you should work for better health care.

The health care bill may, in a sense, promote equality. However, in another sense, it gives insurance companies 35 million new customers, and forces the other couple hundred million it already has to stay- all while giving them no incentive to change their business practices. The health care bill is going to end up devastating the common man of America, and benefiting the super wealthy, as has almost every piece of legislation in our history. FDR was certainly no Socialist, but he was the last president I can think of who really did anything to help this country deal with the problem of poverty and inequality with any effectiveness.

In equality is not a problem in this county. You should have to work to get the things you want. The County was formed on individual rights.

And before that, we were formed as a colony for the wealth of kings overseas. There is a problem of inequality when there are people starving down the street from a mansion. You say that you have to work for what you want, but there are many people who work that can't even get what they need.

That's not to say that its all bad. There are wealthy people who do give back to their societies and try to help, and I applaud their effort. If everyone had a similar mentality of giving back, I would have no problem with Capitalism, but then again, if everyone had that mentality Capitalism as we recognize it would most likely not exist.

To quote Abraham Lincoln:

"Whenever there is a conflict between human rights and property rights, human rights must prevail."

Now, Lincoln was not a Socialist (I am intentionally only quoting figures you will not immediately fear and reject), but this quote does sum up my feelings on the idea of "individual rights". While I don't believe that anybody has an inherent "right" to have a billion dollars, I do believe that there is an inherent "right" to food, water, shelter, clothing and education. I am pro gun rights, pro gay rights, pro legalization of drugs, despise all forms of racial or gender inequality and rail against police brutality. This is not an unusual set of values for a Socialist, but simply follows the core of Socialist ideology.

You are for Gay Rights I am against gay right gays should never get married or do any thing that is not moral. For food and water, you should work for it, like I said earlier. The people who are working and not making enough should just go to college if you go to college you will most likely get a decent enough job. I read your profile and it said that you are a straight edge, but yet on the post it says you are Pro Legalization of Drugs. You are contradicting yourself.

 

[Denamic]

Fuck no.
If I have the chance, I'd run away ASAP.
I'd die defending myself though.

 

[Cutter9792]

Patriots always talk of dying for their country.
They never talk of killing for their country.

I would.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

No, I hate my government right now because of all the Communist Liberals that are in charge of it.

You realize that it is absolutely impossible for someone to be simultaneously both a Communist and a Liberal right?

Liberalism is a Capitalist ideology (alongside Conservatism and Libertarianism), whereas Communism is about as anti-Capitalist as you can get.

I know that you cannot be Liberal and Communist at the same time. What I am trying to say is that many of the people in the government are saying that they are Liberal, but they are actually Communists who are ruining the U.S. Government. Liberals are left winged and so are Communists, but are further to the left, also both Liberals and Communists have socialist views, which I am against.

Liberals are Capitalist, and do not hold Socialistic views. Liberalism itself, really is not that left. There are people that associate themselves with Liberalism that aren't fully aligned with the ideology, ranging from centre-left to slightly right leaning, but in its purest form Liberalism is pretty much centrist.

There is one open Socialist in the United States government, Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, but I can't think of a single other person in our government with any real Socialistic tenancies. There are people in the government who believe in similar ideals to Socialism and Communism- equality, Democracy, anti-nationalism- but the most far left anyone but Sanders is in our government is maybe Social Democrat, which favors a welfare state within Capitalism.

There are many socialist people in the U.S. Government. Explain the Health Care bill that Obama(Bin Laden, as I like to call him and so do many other people) is getting in to the Government, which is socialist bill. The government is taking away our rights that were given to us when the nation was founded like the right to bear arms. The government is also taking away our privacy because they are listening what we are saying on the phones. These are to just name a couple things hour government is doing. The U.S. was founded on Individual Rights, which the government is trying to get rid of.

I won't defend the actions of the U.S. government, as I dislike them immensely. But I will state that a basic knowledge of Socialist ideology certainly would show that none of these policies are Socialist. The original health care bill had some welfare state aspects, but even those were removed. It never had any sort of ring of Socialism. You probably aren't aware of this, but Socialist Party USA staged a massive campaign against the health care bill because of the long term implications of it against the Socialist cause. In the state in which it was passed, the health care bill is more closely related to corporatism and Fascism than to Socialism. Not to say that it is either corporatist or Fascist, just that it is closer to those than it is to Socialism.

edit-

To make my point in a more condensed form, Socialist ideology promotes equality, anti-authoritarianism, anti-nationalism and Democracy. All the things that you listed contradict these ideals.

The Health Care bill promotes equality, it is all about everyone having equally health care which should not be happening, you should work for better health care.

The health care bill may, in a sense, promote equality. However, in another sense, it gives insurance companies 35 million new customers, and forces the other couple hundred million it already has to stay- all while giving them no incentive to change their business practices. The health care bill is going to end up devastating the common man of America, and benefiting the super wealthy, as has almost every piece of legislation in our history. FDR was certainly no Socialist, but he was the last president I can think of who really did anything to help this country deal with the problem of poverty and inequality with any effectiveness.

In equality is not a problem in this county. You should have to work to get the things you want. The County was formed on individual rights.

And before that, we were formed as a colony for the wealth of kings overseas. There is a problem of inequality when there are people starving down the street from a mansion. You say that you have to work for what you want, but there are many people who work that can't even get what they need.

That's not to say that its all bad. There are wealthy people who do give back to their societies and try to help, and I applaud their effort. If everyone had a similar mentality of giving back, I would have no problem with Capitalism, but then again, if everyone had that mentality Capitalism as we recognize it would most likely not exist.

To quote Abraham Lincoln:

"Whenever there is a conflict between human rights and property rights, human rights must prevail."

Now, Lincoln was not a Socialist (I am intentionally only quoting figures you will not immediately fear and reject), but this quote does sum up my feelings on the idea of "individual rights". While I don't believe that anybody has an inherent "right" to have a billion dollars, I do believe that there is an inherent "right" to food, water, shelter, clothing and education. I am pro gun rights, pro gay rights, pro legalization of drugs, despise all forms of racial or gender inequality and rail against police brutality. This is not an unusual set of values for a Socialist, but simply follows the core of Socialist ideology.

You are for Gay Rights I am against gay right gays should never get married or do any thing that is not moral. For food and water, you should work for it, like I said earlier. The people who are working and not making enough should just go to college if you go to college you will most likely get a decent enough job. I read your profile and it said that you are a straight edge, but yet on the post it says you are Pro Legalization of Drugs. You are contradicting yourself.

Do gays being married effect you? Unless you can provide some evidence that it would, I must assume that it does not. For you to wish to deny them marriage is then to take somebody's rights for no reason, which is what you are accusing me of wishing to do. Rather hypocritical really.

Some people can come from poverty and fulfill a "rags to riches" story, but there are also others who bust ass their whole lives and die poor. You say to go to college, and as a middle class American I am lucky and will be able to do so. However, the poor usually cannot afford to finance a college education.

As for me being straight edge and wishing for the legalization of drugs, that is not a contradiction. I am not gay but think gay marriage should be allowed. I do not smoke marijuana, but I think it is ridiculous for the state to tell you what you can or cannot smoke. It is the same basic principle.

 

[Dorby5826and360]

No, I hate my government right now because of all the Communist Liberals that are in charge of it.

You realize that it is absolutely impossible for someone to be simultaneously both a Communist and a Liberal right?

Liberalism is a Capitalist ideology (alongside Conservatism and Libertarianism), whereas Communism is about as anti-Capitalist as you can get.

I know that you cannot be Liberal and Communist at the same time. What I am trying to say is that many of the people in the government are saying that they are Liberal, but they are actually Communists who are ruining the U.S. Government. Liberals are left winged and so are Communists, but are further to the left, also both Liberals and Communists have socialist views, which I am against.

Liberals are Capitalist, and do not hold Socialistic views. Liberalism itself, really is not that left. There are people that associate themselves with Liberalism that aren't fully aligned with the ideology, ranging from centre-left to slightly right leaning, but in its purest form Liberalism is pretty much centrist.

There is one open Socialist in the United States government, Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont, but I can't think of a single other person in our government with any real Socialistic tenancies. There are people in the government who believe in similar ideals to Socialism and Communism- equality, Democracy, anti-nationalism- but the most far left anyone but Sanders is in our government is maybe Social Democrat, which favors a welfare state within Capitalism.

There are many socialist people in the U.S. Government. Explain the Health Care bill that Obama(Bin Laden, as I like to call him and so do many other people) is getting in to the Government, which is socialist bill. The government is taking away our rights that were given to us when the nation was founded like the right to bear arms. The government is also taking away our privacy because they are listening what we are saying on the phones. These are to just name a couple things hour government is doing. The U.S. was founded on Individual Rights, which the government is trying to get rid of.

I won't defend the actions of the U.S. government, as I dislike them immensely. But I will state that a basic knowledge of Socialist ideology certainly would show that none of these policies are Socialist. The original health care bill had some welfare state aspects, but even those were removed. It never had any sort of ring of Socialism. You probably aren't aware of this, but Socialist Party USA staged a massive campaign against the health care bill because of the long term implications of it against the Socialist cause. In the state in which it was passed, the health care bill is more closely related to corporatism and Fascism than to Socialism. Not to say that it is either corporatist or Fascist, just that it is closer to those than it is to Socialism.

edit-

To make my point in a more condensed form, Socialist ideology promotes equality, anti-authoritarianism, anti-nationalism and Democracy. All the things that you listed contradict these ideals.

The Health Care bill promotes equality, it is all about everyone having equally health care which should not be happening, you should work for better health care.

The health care bill may, in a sense, promote equality. However, in another sense, it gives insurance companies 35 million new customers, and forces the other couple hundred million it already has to stay- all while giving them no incentive to change their business practices. The health care bill is going to end up devastating the common man of America, and benefiting the super wealthy, as has almost every piece of legislation in our history. FDR was certainly no Socialist, but he was the last president I can think of who really did anything to help this country deal with the problem of poverty and inequality with any effectiveness.

In equality is not a problem in this county. You should have to work to get the things you want. The County was formed on individual rights.

And before that, we were formed as a colony for the wealth of kings overseas. There is a problem of inequality when there are people starving down the street from a mansion. You say that you have to work for what you want, but there are many people who work that can't even get what they need.

That's not to say that its all bad. There are wealthy people who do give back to their societies and try to help, and I applaud their effort. If everyone had a similar mentality of giving back, I would have no problem with Capitalism, but then again, if everyone had that mentality Capitalism as we recognize it would most likely not exist.

To quote Abraham Lincoln:

"Whenever there is a conflict between human rights and property rights, human rights must prevail."

Now, Lincoln was not a Socialist (I am intentionally only quoting figures you will not immediately fear and reject), but this quote does sum up my feelings on the idea of "individual rights". While I don't believe that anybody has an inherent "right" to have a billion dollars, I do believe that there is an inherent "right" to food, water, shelter, clothing and education. I am pro gun rights, pro gay rights, pro legalization of drugs, despise all forms of racial or gender inequality and rail against police brutality. This is not an unusual set of values for a Socialist, but simply follows the core of Socialist ideology.

You are for Gay Rights I am against gay right gays should never get married or do any thing that is not moral. For food and water, you should work for it, like I said earlier. The people who are working and not making enough should just go to college if you go to college you will most likely get a decent enough job. I read your profile and it said that you are a straight edge, but yet on the post it says you are Pro Legalization of Drugs. You are contradicting yourself.

Do gays being married effect you? Unless you can provide some evidence that it would, I must assume that it does not. For you to wish to deny them marriage is then to take somebody's rights for no reason, which is what you are accusing me of wishing to do. Rather hypocritical really.

Some people can come from poverty and fulfill a "rags to riches" story, but there are also others who bust ass their whole lives and die poor. You say to go to college, and as a middle class American I am lucky and will be able to do so. However, the poor usually cannot afford to finance a college education.

As for me being straight edge and wishing for the legalization of drugs, that is not a contradiction. I am not gay but think gay marriage should be allowed. I do not smoke marijuana, but I think it is ridiculous for the state to tell you what you can or cannot smoke. It is the same basic principle.

Gay Marriage was never a right in the U.S. in the first place the socialists are trying to make it a right . Also my aunt is poor and she is going to college, have you ever heard of a loan where you pay it off later, I guess you have not.