Poll: Would you harbor a nazi?

[ReservoirAngel]

I'm pretty fucking disgusted by the people who say they'd kill him themselves. Yeah, that's a good way to deal with the problem, just stab it to death in your kitchen. Way to go.

I voted that I'd take him in and hide him. Yes, the was a Nazi. So were millions of Germans. It's not like you had much free choice to NOT be a Nazi. If you were anywhere in the military at the time Hitler took over...BOOM, you're a Nazi now. You do what you're told, cause evidence shows Hitler was easily willing to kill his own men to keep control. Not to mention all the propaganda. Just saying, it can be hard to keep a rational world view where your superiors and everyone else around you are proclaiming Jews as the devil and some vermin that need to be destroyed.

I've always been raised that if someone is truly repentant for what they've done then they can start again. If this guy is truly, 100% sorry with all his heart, I don't see a problem with protecting him from the police that are randomly Nazi-hunting nowadays.

I wouldn't be entirely comfortable with the idea, but I value human life too much to turn him in where he'd either be killed or left to die in prison. I know this might seem weird when he was potentially responsible for many deaths in the 40s, but if I have the power to possible and realistically save one human life, then I'll do it.

Call me fucked up if you will, at least I'm not saying I'd murder the dude myself cause that'd make me as much a murderer as he is.

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

If you commit crimes against humanity you should be punished by a court of law. Simple as that.

I can't believe that "Yes" is winning. Is the Escapist that counterculture that it ignores the judicial system?

If he has truly changed and truly wishes to repent he should put himself at the mercy of the court.

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

Fine, tired of arguing the point anyway. Still think you're not correct though

That just prove that ether you are a religious fanatic, or an ignorant.
Can't decide who is worse.

The definition of race is people who come from the same genetic stock. Considering that anyone can become a Jew, I wouldn't consider the people a race as a whole.

Deal with it.

snip.

Sorry to say but that's extremly racist

I said forgive the man, with a historically Jewish God, a Jewish Savior, with a mixed ancestry that would have been looked down upon for being not being of a certain descent, and you have the right to claim I am racist?

This is the foolishness I just spoke of. So many sides are given the full right to use what is and isn't racism, yet in this case the Germans are not by any stretch of the imagination. Even then, the constant reoccuring imagery and force-fed notions that it was worse because it was done to the "Chosen People" could be seen as racist as well.

What the hell are you talking about, dude. We're not talking about prosecuting random Germans, we're talking about prosecuting a Nazi that committed crimes against humanity. Unless you think Jews don't count as a part of humanity, in which case you're a racist. And racism is bad, no matter who spouts it.

Sorry, you've made yourself look foolish.

Are you really claiming jews are a race?

Well, in common usage, the term "race" is misused as an arbitrary way to categorize people of different cultures/ethnicities, so I see no reason why I can't call Jews a race. In any case, just replace "racist" with "prejudiced," then. Do you have anything to say about my argument, or are you just nitpicking terms?

Common usage does not equal definition. Its common to refer to cotton buds as earbuds, but they're still cotton buds.

But no, prejudiced is fine. That fits the definition.

Yea...no.

There is a Jewish race. It is those decedent from the original hebrew tribes.

But then there is Judaism, which is a religion...which yes anyone can be.

Legally, Jew is a race recognized by law. So technically no matter what you say, think, believe, feel, or show me based on biological evidence a court of law will still find crimes against Jews hate crimes and crimes against a whole group of people crimes against humanity.

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

Turn him in. To be fair, there's been much worse genocides in history and the current day than the Holocaust.
The old man shouldn't go free. But neither does anyone have the right to take the law in their own hands in such a manner.

To be fair? What does that mean?

Just because current day genocides have larger kill counts than the Holocaust doesn't discredit that fact that it was a genocide.

Crimes against humanity are crimes against humanity and should never be ranked based on anything...especially a death toll.

 

[Dogstile]

Fine, tired of arguing the point anyway. Still think you're not correct though

That just prove that ether you are a religious fanatic, or an ignorant.
Can't decide who is worse.

The definition of race is people who come from the same genetic stock. Considering that anyone can become a Jew, I wouldn't consider the people a race as a whole.

Deal with it.

snip.

Sorry to say but that's extremly racist

I said forgive the man, with a historically Jewish God, a Jewish Savior, with a mixed ancestry that would have been looked down upon for being not being of a certain descent, and you have the right to claim I am racist?

This is the foolishness I just spoke of. So many sides are given the full right to use what is and isn't racism, yet in this case the Germans are not by any stretch of the imagination. Even then, the constant reoccuring imagery and force-fed notions that it was worse because it was done to the "Chosen People" could be seen as racist as well.

What the hell are you talking about, dude. We're not talking about prosecuting random Germans, we're talking about prosecuting a Nazi that committed crimes against humanity. Unless you think Jews don't count as a part of humanity, in which case you're a racist. And racism is bad, no matter who spouts it.

Sorry, you've made yourself look foolish.

Are you really claiming jews are a race?

Well, in common usage, the term "race" is misused as an arbitrary way to categorize people of different cultures/ethnicities, so I see no reason why I can't call Jews a race. In any case, just replace "racist" with "prejudiced," then. Do you have anything to say about my argument, or are you just nitpicking terms?

Common usage does not equal definition. Its common to refer to cotton buds as earbuds, but they're still cotton buds.

But no, prejudiced is fine. That fits the definition.

Yea...no.

There is a Jewish race. It is those decedent from the original hebrew tribes.

But then there is Judaism, which is a religion...which yes anyone can be.

Legally, Jew is a race recognized by law. So technically no matter what you say, think, believe, feel, or show me based on biological evidence a court of law will still find crimes against Jews hate crimes and crimes against a whole group of people crimes against humanity.

However, Hitler did not persecute the race, he persecuted the religion, as I mentioned before, even german jews. The ones who are not Hebrews. I'm arguing the religion is not a race. This is what people don't seem to get.

RAWR

 

[PrototypeC]

It would be fairly simple for me; I would have no right to turn him in myself by saying, "Yes, yes! He was here yesterday! He went thataway, get'm!". I'd just stay silent. I wouldn't have let him in my house in the first place, you see.

If he's caught and put on trial, then he's caught. I'm not going out of my way to turn him in OR hide him. If he asked if he could hide out in my apartment or something the answer would be a strong no, of course. However, I am not clean enough to judge other people for what they've done, no matter how heinous. He's already judged and damned himself a thousand times before the police could catch up to him, he doesn't need my hatred on top of that.

My answer to him? "I didn't see anything, I didn't hear anything. I haven't seen you today. I'm going to go inside, and play a video game. That's all I've done today. Hypothetically, if I had seen you, I'd tell you to decide whether you want to turn yourself in if you feel that guilty about it. I might also say that if you're going to be hiding, you should do so in a location that is not inside my house, but to do so quickly. Good luck, person I haven't seen."

Total potential crimes: Impeding a Police Investigation/Obstruction Of Justice

 

[dyre]

Fine, tired of arguing the point anyway. Still think you're not correct though

That just prove that ether you are a religious fanatic, or an ignorant.
Can't decide who is worse.

The definition of race is people who come from the same genetic stock. Considering that anyone can become a Jew, I wouldn't consider the people a race as a whole.

Deal with it.

snip.

Sorry to say but that's extremly racist

I said forgive the man, with a historically Jewish God, a Jewish Savior, with a mixed ancestry that would have been looked down upon for being not being of a certain descent, and you have the right to claim I am racist?

This is the foolishness I just spoke of. So many sides are given the full right to use what is and isn't racism, yet in this case the Germans are not by any stretch of the imagination. Even then, the constant reoccuring imagery and force-fed notions that it was worse because it was done to the "Chosen People" could be seen as racist as well.

What the hell are you talking about, dude. We're not talking about prosecuting random Germans, we're talking about prosecuting a Nazi that committed crimes against humanity. Unless you think Jews don't count as a part of humanity, in which case you're a racist. And racism is bad, no matter who spouts it.

Sorry, you've made yourself look foolish.

Are you really claiming jews are a race?

Well, in common usage, the term "race" is misused as an arbitrary way to categorize people of different cultures/ethnicities, so I see no reason why I can't call Jews a race. In any case, just replace "racist" with "prejudiced," then. Do you have anything to say about my argument, or are you just nitpicking terms?

Common usage does not equal definition. Its common to refer to cotton buds as earbuds, but they're still cotton buds.

But no, prejudiced is fine. That fits the definition.

Not to piss on any parades, but the Jewish people are technically a race. It's quite possible to not be Jewish by faith but still technically carry Jewish blood, as it is transferred from a Jewish mother to the child. Just sayin'

Would you say the same for Christians and Buddhists?

Although, and i'll bold it to anyone replying to me.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON YOUR DEFINITION OF RACE, IF WE GO BY BIOLOGICAL, WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE, THEN I'M CORRECT, HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE GOING BY SOCIALLY, THEN YOU'RE POSSIBLY CORRECT

Right now, you're being really, really ignorant. Try talking to someone from an actual Jewish background, they'll explain it to you. Right now, by trying to talk to a descendant of Israelites, you're making an ass out of yourself.

Sure, because you've brought up so many points aside from "YOU'RE WRONG, HONEST, I MEAN IT".

How about you bring up a point other than "I think". At least i'm going by biological definition.

Fine, tired of arguing the point anyway. Still think you're not correct though

That just prove that ether you are a religious fanatic, or an ignorant.
Can't decide who is worse.

The definition of race is people who come from the same genetic stock. Considering that anyone can become a Jew, I wouldn't consider the people a race as a whole.

Deal with it.

snip.

Sorry to say but that's extremly racist

I said forgive the man, with a historically Jewish God, a Jewish Savior, with a mixed ancestry that would have been looked down upon for being not being of a certain descent, and you have the right to claim I am racist?

This is the foolishness I just spoke of. So many sides are given the full right to use what is and isn't racism, yet in this case the Germans are not by any stretch of the imagination. Even then, the constant reoccuring imagery and force-fed notions that it was worse because it was done to the "Chosen People" could be seen as racist as well.

What the hell are you talking about, dude. We're not talking about prosecuting random Germans, we're talking about prosecuting a Nazi that committed crimes against humanity. Unless you think Jews don't count as a part of humanity, in which case you're a racist. And racism is bad, no matter who spouts it.

Sorry, you've made yourself look foolish.

Are you really claiming jews are a race?

Well, in common usage, the term "race" is misused as an arbitrary way to categorize people of different cultures/ethnicities, so I see no reason why I can't call Jews a race. In any case, just replace "racist" with "prejudiced," then. Do you have anything to say about my argument, or are you just nitpicking terms?

Common usage does not equal definition. Its common to refer to cotton buds as earbuds, but they're still cotton buds.

But no, prejudiced is fine. That fits the definition.

Not to piss on any parades, but the Jewish people are technically a race. It's quite possible to not be Jewish by faith but still technically carry Jewish blood, as it is transferred from a Jewish mother to the child. Just sayin'

Would you say the same for Christians and Buddhists?

Although, and i'll bold it to anyone replying to me.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON YOUR DEFINITION OF RACE, IF WE GO BY BIOLOGICAL, WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE, THEN I'M CORRECT, HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE GOING BY SOCIALLY, THEN YOU'RE POSSIBLY CORRECT

Seems a bit odd to call someone foolish if you're not even sure what definition they're using...and it seems completely irrelevant to the thread topic too. Do you just go around picking fights for no reason?

There is a difference between picking fights and debating. However, you guys haven't tried explaining, at all. So please, guys

UNLESS YOU WANT TO BRING UP A POINT OTHER THAN "Dude, i'm right, you're ignorant, go talk to someone", don't bother replying.

No, you're picking an irrelevant part of a post that's not about race, but about crimes against humanity. Unless you have some kind of strange obsession with race arguments, you're just going off on a tangent (and throwing insults in the process). I'd call that picking a fight.

By the way, your definition of race being "people who come from one genetic stock" fits Jews just fine. We're not talking about people who read the Torah, we're talking about descendants of the Israelites. You know, the ones the Nazis targeted?

Hitler didn't give a shit what they believed. He was into the racial superiority structure (Aryans, not something else, like Catholics or w/e). Do you honestly think a Jew who said "oh hey, I recently converted to Christianity" would've escaped the concentration camps?

 

[The Stonker]

One question.
If you would turn down a job at maybe lets say, Auschwitz wouldn't you then just been send to the front lines?
I mean, people were shit scared of the nazis.

 

[Jark212]

Seeing that he'd probably be 80-90 years old I think that I might let him live out the rest of his life. But him being an Officer really does change things up over him being just a Solider. I don't really think I could give a straight answer until I was face to face with the man and got a chance to talk with him...

 

[Baalthazaq]

Major factor: They're at least 84 years old.

WWII ended 1945. It's 2011. He had to have been at least 18 (if he was younger I'm not even sure he should be entirely held accountable anyway) 18+66

He's not long for this world anyway. For him to be an officer this requires much more after that. You're looking at about 8 years older to be an officer (making assumptions that the UK and German army structure is similar), making him 92 if he was an officer at the camp just the last day of the war.

 

[Icyheart]

This really is a tough one; As a Jew and someone who has actually lost an old friend to our former local neo-Nazi bastards, my first inclination would be to lock him in my basement, torture him twenty-four/seven and keep him alive for the sake of making him suffer some more. But if this guy's a WWII soldier who genuinely regrets his decisions, keeping him alive seems the best possible choice; knowing he has to live with his actions for the rest of his life is torture in itself and no Nazi deserves anything less than that kind of pain! So... if despite his actions during WWII he really has a good side he regularly acts on, I would choose to harbor him for a few days. But there's nothing keeping me from shooting him in the knees on his way out.

 

[Dogstile]

Fine, tired of arguing the point anyway. Still think you're not correct though

That just prove that ether you are a religious fanatic, or an ignorant.
Can't decide who is worse.

The definition of race is people who come from the same genetic stock. Considering that anyone can become a Jew, I wouldn't consider the people a race as a whole.

Deal with it.

snip.

Sorry to say but that's extremly racist

I said forgive the man, with a historically Jewish God, a Jewish Savior, with a mixed ancestry that would have been looked down upon for being not being of a certain descent, and you have the right to claim I am racist?

This is the foolishness I just spoke of. So many sides are given the full right to use what is and isn't racism, yet in this case the Germans are not by any stretch of the imagination. Even then, the constant reoccuring imagery and force-fed notions that it was worse because it was done to the "Chosen People" could be seen as racist as well.

What the hell are you talking about, dude. We're not talking about prosecuting random Germans, we're talking about prosecuting a Nazi that committed crimes against humanity. Unless you think Jews don't count as a part of humanity, in which case you're a racist. And racism is bad, no matter who spouts it.

Sorry, you've made yourself look foolish.

Are you really claiming jews are a race?

Well, in common usage, the term "race" is misused as an arbitrary way to categorize people of different cultures/ethnicities, so I see no reason why I can't call Jews a race. In any case, just replace "racist" with "prejudiced," then. Do you have anything to say about my argument, or are you just nitpicking terms?

Common usage does not equal definition. Its common to refer to cotton buds as earbuds, but they're still cotton buds.

But no, prejudiced is fine. That fits the definition.

Not to piss on any parades, but the Jewish people are technically a race. It's quite possible to not be Jewish by faith but still technically carry Jewish blood, as it is transferred from a Jewish mother to the child. Just sayin'

Would you say the same for Christians and Buddhists?

Although, and i'll bold it to anyone replying to me.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON YOUR DEFINITION OF RACE, IF WE GO BY BIOLOGICAL, WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE, THEN I'M CORRECT, HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE GOING BY SOCIALLY, THEN YOU'RE POSSIBLY CORRECT

Right now, you're being really, really ignorant. Try talking to someone from an actual Jewish background, they'll explain it to you. Right now, by trying to talk to a descendant of Israelites, you're making an ass out of yourself.

Sure, because you've brought up so many points aside from "YOU'RE WRONG, HONEST, I MEAN IT".

How about you bring up a point other than "I think". At least i'm going by biological definition.

Fine, tired of arguing the point anyway. Still think you're not correct though

That just prove that ether you are a religious fanatic, or an ignorant.
Can't decide who is worse.

The definition of race is people who come from the same genetic stock. Considering that anyone can become a Jew, I wouldn't consider the people a race as a whole.

Deal with it.

snip.

Sorry to say but that's extremly racist

I said forgive the man, with a historically Jewish God, a Jewish Savior, with a mixed ancestry that would have been looked down upon for being not being of a certain descent, and you have the right to claim I am racist?

This is the foolishness I just spoke of. So many sides are given the full right to use what is and isn't racism, yet in this case the Germans are not by any stretch of the imagination. Even then, the constant reoccuring imagery and force-fed notions that it was worse because it was done to the "Chosen People" could be seen as racist as well.

What the hell are you talking about, dude. We're not talking about prosecuting random Germans, we're talking about prosecuting a Nazi that committed crimes against humanity. Unless you think Jews don't count as a part of humanity, in which case you're a racist. And racism is bad, no matter who spouts it.

Sorry, you've made yourself look foolish.

Are you really claiming jews are a race?

Well, in common usage, the term "race" is misused as an arbitrary way to categorize people of different cultures/ethnicities, so I see no reason why I can't call Jews a race. In any case, just replace "racist" with "prejudiced," then. Do you have anything to say about my argument, or are you just nitpicking terms?

Common usage does not equal definition. Its common to refer to cotton buds as earbuds, but they're still cotton buds.

But no, prejudiced is fine. That fits the definition.

Not to piss on any parades, but the Jewish people are technically a race. It's quite possible to not be Jewish by faith but still technically carry Jewish blood, as it is transferred from a Jewish mother to the child. Just sayin'

Would you say the same for Christians and Buddhists?

Although, and i'll bold it to anyone replying to me.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON YOUR DEFINITION OF RACE, IF WE GO BY BIOLOGICAL, WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE, THEN I'M CORRECT, HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE GOING BY SOCIALLY, THEN YOU'RE POSSIBLY CORRECT

Seems a bit odd to call someone foolish if you're not even sure what definition they're using...and it seems completely irrelevant to the thread topic too. Do you just go around picking fights for no reason?

There is a difference between picking fights and debating. However, you guys haven't tried explaining, at all. So please, guys

UNLESS YOU WANT TO BRING UP A POINT OTHER THAN "Dude, i'm right, you're ignorant, go talk to someone", don't bother replying.

No, you're picking an irrelevant part of a post that's not about race, but about crimes against humanity. Unless you have some kind of strange obsession with race arguments, you're just going off on a tangent (and throwing insults in the process). I'd call that picking a fight.

By the way, your definition of race being "people who come from one genetic stock" fits Jews just fine. We're not talking about people who read the Torah, we're talking about descendants of the Israelites. You know, the ones the Nazis targeted?

Considering this argument started because I called out a dude for calling a german guy racist for not liking jewish people. Throwing insults in the process? Please, I told you to come up with a point rather than just telling me i'm wrong. Its about time someone did.

My definition doesn't fit it just fine, as again, hitler, by my education, prosecuted jews, not hebrews. There /is/ a difference.

 

[dyre]

Fine, tired of arguing the point anyway. Still think you're not correct though

That just prove that ether you are a religious fanatic, or an ignorant.
Can't decide who is worse.

The definition of race is people who come from the same genetic stock. Considering that anyone can become a Jew, I wouldn't consider the people a race as a whole.

Deal with it.

snip.

Sorry to say but that's extremly racist

I said forgive the man, with a historically Jewish God, a Jewish Savior, with a mixed ancestry that would have been looked down upon for being not being of a certain descent, and you have the right to claim I am racist?

This is the foolishness I just spoke of. So many sides are given the full right to use what is and isn't racism, yet in this case the Germans are not by any stretch of the imagination. Even then, the constant reoccuring imagery and force-fed notions that it was worse because it was done to the "Chosen People" could be seen as racist as well.

What the hell are you talking about, dude. We're not talking about prosecuting random Germans, we're talking about prosecuting a Nazi that committed crimes against humanity. Unless you think Jews don't count as a part of humanity, in which case you're a racist. And racism is bad, no matter who spouts it.

Sorry, you've made yourself look foolish.

Are you really claiming jews are a race?

Well, in common usage, the term "race" is misused as an arbitrary way to categorize people of different cultures/ethnicities, so I see no reason why I can't call Jews a race. In any case, just replace "racist" with "prejudiced," then. Do you have anything to say about my argument, or are you just nitpicking terms?

Common usage does not equal definition. Its common to refer to cotton buds as earbuds, but they're still cotton buds.

But no, prejudiced is fine. That fits the definition.

Not to piss on any parades, but the Jewish people are technically a race. It's quite possible to not be Jewish by faith but still technically carry Jewish blood, as it is transferred from a Jewish mother to the child. Just sayin'

Would you say the same for Christians and Buddhists?

Although, and i'll bold it to anyone replying to me.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON YOUR DEFINITION OF RACE, IF WE GO BY BIOLOGICAL, WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE, THEN I'M CORRECT, HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE GOING BY SOCIALLY, THEN YOU'RE POSSIBLY CORRECT

Right now, you're being really, really ignorant. Try talking to someone from an actual Jewish background, they'll explain it to you. Right now, by trying to talk to a descendant of Israelites, you're making an ass out of yourself.

Sure, because you've brought up so many points aside from "YOU'RE WRONG, HONEST, I MEAN IT".

How about you bring up a point other than "I think". At least i'm going by biological definition.

Fine, tired of arguing the point anyway. Still think you're not correct though

That just prove that ether you are a religious fanatic, or an ignorant.
Can't decide who is worse.

The definition of race is people who come from the same genetic stock. Considering that anyone can become a Jew, I wouldn't consider the people a race as a whole.

Deal with it.

snip.

Sorry to say but that's extremly racist

I said forgive the man, with a historically Jewish God, a Jewish Savior, with a mixed ancestry that would have been looked down upon for being not being of a certain descent, and you have the right to claim I am racist?

This is the foolishness I just spoke of. So many sides are given the full right to use what is and isn't racism, yet in this case the Germans are not by any stretch of the imagination. Even then, the constant reoccuring imagery and force-fed notions that it was worse because it was done to the "Chosen People" could be seen as racist as well.

What the hell are you talking about, dude. We're not talking about prosecuting random Germans, we're talking about prosecuting a Nazi that committed crimes against humanity. Unless you think Jews don't count as a part of humanity, in which case you're a racist. And racism is bad, no matter who spouts it.

Sorry, you've made yourself look foolish.

Are you really claiming jews are a race?

Well, in common usage, the term "race" is misused as an arbitrary way to categorize people of different cultures/ethnicities, so I see no reason why I can't call Jews a race. In any case, just replace "racist" with "prejudiced," then. Do you have anything to say about my argument, or are you just nitpicking terms?

Common usage does not equal definition. Its common to refer to cotton buds as earbuds, but they're still cotton buds.

But no, prejudiced is fine. That fits the definition.

Not to piss on any parades, but the Jewish people are technically a race. It's quite possible to not be Jewish by faith but still technically carry Jewish blood, as it is transferred from a Jewish mother to the child. Just sayin'

Would you say the same for Christians and Buddhists?

Although, and i'll bold it to anyone replying to me.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON YOUR DEFINITION OF RACE, IF WE GO BY BIOLOGICAL, WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE, THEN I'M CORRECT, HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE GOING BY SOCIALLY, THEN YOU'RE POSSIBLY CORRECT

Seems a bit odd to call someone foolish if you're not even sure what definition they're using...and it seems completely irrelevant to the thread topic too. Do you just go around picking fights for no reason?

There is a difference between picking fights and debating. However, you guys haven't tried explaining, at all. So please, guys

UNLESS YOU WANT TO BRING UP A POINT OTHER THAN "Dude, i'm right, you're ignorant, go talk to someone", don't bother replying.

No, you're picking an irrelevant part of a post that's not about race, but about crimes against humanity. Unless you have some kind of strange obsession with race arguments, you're just going off on a tangent (and throwing insults in the process). I'd call that picking a fight.

By the way, your definition of race being "people who come from one genetic stock" fits Jews just fine. We're not talking about people who read the Torah, we're talking about descendants of the Israelites. You know, the ones the Nazis targeted?

Considering this argument started because I called out a dude for calling a german guy racist for not liking jewish people. Throwing insults in the process? Please, I told you to come up with a point rather than just telling me i'm wrong. Its about time someone did.

My definition doesn't fit it just fine, as again, hitler, by my education, prosecuted jews, not hebrews. There /is/ a difference.

So, what you're saying is that when the Nazis found a Hebrew who converted to Christianity, they just let him go?

Hitler targeted Hebrews, or people with Hebrew ancestry, whatever. Maybe you think he got his terms wrong, but those are the terms that are relevant to this thread.

 

[Dogstile]

Fine, tired of arguing the point anyway. Still think you're not correct though

That just prove that ether you are a religious fanatic, or an ignorant.
Can't decide who is worse.

The definition of race is people who come from the same genetic stock. Considering that anyone can become a Jew, I wouldn't consider the people a race as a whole.

Deal with it.

snip.

Sorry to say but that's extremly racist

I said forgive the man, with a historically Jewish God, a Jewish Savior, with a mixed ancestry that would have been looked down upon for being not being of a certain descent, and you have the right to claim I am racist?

This is the foolishness I just spoke of. So many sides are given the full right to use what is and isn't racism, yet in this case the Germans are not by any stretch of the imagination. Even then, the constant reoccuring imagery and force-fed notions that it was worse because it was done to the "Chosen People" could be seen as racist as well.

What the hell are you talking about, dude. We're not talking about prosecuting random Germans, we're talking about prosecuting a Nazi that committed crimes against humanity. Unless you think Jews don't count as a part of humanity, in which case you're a racist. And racism is bad, no matter who spouts it.

Sorry, you've made yourself look foolish.

Are you really claiming jews are a race?

Well, in common usage, the term "race" is misused as an arbitrary way to categorize people of different cultures/ethnicities, so I see no reason why I can't call Jews a race. In any case, just replace "racist" with "prejudiced," then. Do you have anything to say about my argument, or are you just nitpicking terms?

Common usage does not equal definition. Its common to refer to cotton buds as earbuds, but they're still cotton buds.

But no, prejudiced is fine. That fits the definition.

Not to piss on any parades, but the Jewish people are technically a race. It's quite possible to not be Jewish by faith but still technically carry Jewish blood, as it is transferred from a Jewish mother to the child. Just sayin'

Would you say the same for Christians and Buddhists?

Although, and i'll bold it to anyone replying to me.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON YOUR DEFINITION OF RACE, IF WE GO BY BIOLOGICAL, WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE, THEN I'M CORRECT, HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE GOING BY SOCIALLY, THEN YOU'RE POSSIBLY CORRECT

Right now, you're being really, really ignorant. Try talking to someone from an actual Jewish background, they'll explain it to you. Right now, by trying to talk to a descendant of Israelites, you're making an ass out of yourself.

Sure, because you've brought up so many points aside from "YOU'RE WRONG, HONEST, I MEAN IT".

How about you bring up a point other than "I think". At least i'm going by biological definition.

Fine, tired of arguing the point anyway. Still think you're not correct though

That just prove that ether you are a religious fanatic, or an ignorant.
Can't decide who is worse.

The definition of race is people who come from the same genetic stock. Considering that anyone can become a Jew, I wouldn't consider the people a race as a whole.

Deal with it.

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Sorry to say but that's extremly racist

I said forgive the man, with a historically Jewish God, a Jewish Savior, with a mixed ancestry that would have been looked down upon for being not being of a certain descent, and you have the right to claim I am racist?

This is the foolishness I just spoke of. So many sides are given the full right to use what is and isn't racism, yet in this case the Germans are not by any stretch of the imagination. Even then, the constant reoccuring imagery and force-fed notions that it was worse because it was done to the "Chosen People" could be seen as racist as well.

What the hell are you talking about, dude. We're not talking about prosecuting random Germans, we're talking about prosecuting a Nazi that committed crimes against humanity. Unless you think Jews don't count as a part of humanity, in which case you're a racist. And racism is bad, no matter who spouts it.

Sorry, you've made yourself look foolish.

Are you really claiming jews are a race?

Well, in common usage, the term "race" is misused as an arbitrary way to categorize people of different cultures/ethnicities, so I see no reason why I can't call Jews a race. In any case, just replace "racist" with "prejudiced," then. Do you have anything to say about my argument, or are you just nitpicking terms?

Common usage does not equal definition. Its common to refer to cotton buds as earbuds, but they're still cotton buds.

But no, prejudiced is fine. That fits the definition.

Not to piss on any parades, but the Jewish people are technically a race. It's quite possible to not be Jewish by faith but still technically carry Jewish blood, as it is transferred from a Jewish mother to the child. Just sayin'

Would you say the same for Christians and Buddhists?

Although, and i'll bold it to anyone replying to me.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON YOUR DEFINITION OF RACE, IF WE GO BY BIOLOGICAL, WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE, THEN I'M CORRECT, HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE GOING BY SOCIALLY, THEN YOU'RE POSSIBLY CORRECT

Seems a bit odd to call someone foolish if you're not even sure what definition they're using...and it seems completely irrelevant to the thread topic too. Do you just go around picking fights for no reason?

There is a difference between picking fights and debating. However, you guys haven't tried explaining, at all. So please, guys

UNLESS YOU WANT TO BRING UP A POINT OTHER THAN "Dude, i'm right, you're ignorant, go talk to someone", don't bother replying.

No, you're picking an irrelevant part of a post that's not about race, but about crimes against humanity. Unless you have some kind of strange obsession with race arguments, you're just going off on a tangent (and throwing insults in the process). I'd call that picking a fight.

By the way, your definition of race being "people who come from one genetic stock" fits Jews just fine. We're not talking about people who read the Torah, we're talking about descendants of the Israelites. You know, the ones the Nazis targeted?

Considering this argument started because I called out a dude for calling a german guy racist for not liking jewish people. Throwing insults in the process? Please, I told you to come up with a point rather than just telling me i'm wrong. Its about time someone did.

My definition doesn't fit it just fine, as again, hitler, by my education, prosecuted jews, not hebrews. There /is/ a difference.

So, what you're saying is that when the Nazis found a Hebrew who converted to Christianity, they just let him go?

Hitler targeted Hebrews, or people with Hebrew ancestry, whatever. Maybe you think he got his terms wrong, but those are the terms that are relevant to this thread.

I was of the understanding that he persecuted the religion, not the race. (see, now we're getting somewhere!)

 

[icame]

I'd kill him in the most painful way I could come up with.

 

[dyre]

Fine, tired of arguing the point anyway. Still think you're not correct though

That just prove that ether you are a religious fanatic, or an ignorant.
Can't decide who is worse.

The definition of race is people who come from the same genetic stock. Considering that anyone can become a Jew, I wouldn't consider the people a race as a whole.

Deal with it.

snip.

Sorry to say but that's extremly racist

I said forgive the man, with a historically Jewish God, a Jewish Savior, with a mixed ancestry that would have been looked down upon for being not being of a certain descent, and you have the right to claim I am racist?

This is the foolishness I just spoke of. So many sides are given the full right to use what is and isn't racism, yet in this case the Germans are not by any stretch of the imagination. Even then, the constant reoccuring imagery and force-fed notions that it was worse because it was done to the "Chosen People" could be seen as racist as well.

What the hell are you talking about, dude. We're not talking about prosecuting random Germans, we're talking about prosecuting a Nazi that committed crimes against humanity. Unless you think Jews don't count as a part of humanity, in which case you're a racist. And racism is bad, no matter who spouts it.

Sorry, you've made yourself look foolish.

Are you really claiming jews are a race?

Well, in common usage, the term "race" is misused as an arbitrary way to categorize people of different cultures/ethnicities, so I see no reason why I can't call Jews a race. In any case, just replace "racist" with "prejudiced," then. Do you have anything to say about my argument, or are you just nitpicking terms?

Common usage does not equal definition. Its common to refer to cotton buds as earbuds, but they're still cotton buds.

But no, prejudiced is fine. That fits the definition.

Not to piss on any parades, but the Jewish people are technically a race. It's quite possible to not be Jewish by faith but still technically carry Jewish blood, as it is transferred from a Jewish mother to the child. Just sayin'

Would you say the same for Christians and Buddhists?

Although, and i'll bold it to anyone replying to me.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON YOUR DEFINITION OF RACE, IF WE GO BY BIOLOGICAL, WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE, THEN I'M CORRECT, HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE GOING BY SOCIALLY, THEN YOU'RE POSSIBLY CORRECT

Right now, you're being really, really ignorant. Try talking to someone from an actual Jewish background, they'll explain it to you. Right now, by trying to talk to a descendant of Israelites, you're making an ass out of yourself.

Sure, because you've brought up so many points aside from "YOU'RE WRONG, HONEST, I MEAN IT".

How about you bring up a point other than "I think". At least i'm going by biological definition.

Fine, tired of arguing the point anyway. Still think you're not correct though

That just prove that ether you are a religious fanatic, or an ignorant.
Can't decide who is worse.

The definition of race is people who come from the same genetic stock. Considering that anyone can become a Jew, I wouldn't consider the people a race as a whole.

Deal with it.

snip.

Sorry to say but that's extremly racist

I said forgive the man, with a historically Jewish God, a Jewish Savior, with a mixed ancestry that would have been looked down upon for being not being of a certain descent, and you have the right to claim I am racist?

This is the foolishness I just spoke of. So many sides are given the full right to use what is and isn't racism, yet in this case the Germans are not by any stretch of the imagination. Even then, the constant reoccuring imagery and force-fed notions that it was worse because it was done to the "Chosen People" could be seen as racist as well.

What the hell are you talking about, dude. We're not talking about prosecuting random Germans, we're talking about prosecuting a Nazi that committed crimes against humanity. Unless you think Jews don't count as a part of humanity, in which case you're a racist. And racism is bad, no matter who spouts it.

Sorry, you've made yourself look foolish.

Are you really claiming jews are a race?

Well, in common usage, the term "race" is misused as an arbitrary way to categorize people of different cultures/ethnicities, so I see no reason why I can't call Jews a race. In any case, just replace "racist" with "prejudiced," then. Do you have anything to say about my argument, or are you just nitpicking terms?

Common usage does not equal definition. Its common to refer to cotton buds as earbuds, but they're still cotton buds.

But no, prejudiced is fine. That fits the definition.

Not to piss on any parades, but the Jewish people are technically a race. It's quite possible to not be Jewish by faith but still technically carry Jewish blood, as it is transferred from a Jewish mother to the child. Just sayin'

Would you say the same for Christians and Buddhists?

Although, and i'll bold it to anyone replying to me.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON YOUR DEFINITION OF RACE, IF WE GO BY BIOLOGICAL, WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE, THEN I'M CORRECT, HOWEVER, IF YOU'RE GOING BY SOCIALLY, THEN YOU'RE POSSIBLY CORRECT

Seems a bit odd to call someone foolish if you're not even sure what definition they're using...and it seems completely irrelevant to the thread topic too. Do you just go around picking fights for no reason?

There is a difference between picking fights and debating. However, you guys haven't tried explaining, at all. So please, guys

UNLESS YOU WANT TO BRING UP A POINT OTHER THAN "Dude, i'm right, you're ignorant, go talk to someone", don't bother replying.

No, you're picking an irrelevant part of a post that's not about race, but about crimes against humanity. Unless you have some kind of strange obsession with race arguments, you're just going off on a tangent (and throwing insults in the process). I'd call that picking a fight.

By the way, your definition of race being "people who come from one genetic stock" fits Jews just fine. We're not talking about people who read the Torah, we're talking about descendants of the Israelites. You know, the ones the Nazis targeted?

Considering this argument started because I called out a dude for calling a german guy racist for not liking jewish people. Throwing insults in the process? Please, I told you to come up with a point rather than just telling me i'm wrong. Its about time someone did.

My definition doesn't fit it just fine, as again, hitler, by my education, prosecuted jews, not hebrews. There /is/ a difference.

So, what you're saying is that when the Nazis found a Hebrew who converted to Christianity, they just let him go?

Hitler targeted Hebrews, or people with Hebrew ancestry, whatever. Maybe you think he got his terms wrong, but those are the terms that are relevant to this thread.

I was of the understanding that he persecuted the religion, not the race. (see, now we're getting somewhere!)

I'm quite sure it was the race (hey, you called it a race), not the religion. Or else Jews could've waltzed around saying "I don't actually believe" and escaped persecution.

We're not getting anywhere important though...so, let's assume you're right for the sake of argument. Ok, then Hitler killed people based on religion, not race. Is that any different? It's just a different set of terms, but just as evil, and that Nazi who turned his life around still needs to answer for his crimes.

 

[ReservoirAngel]

No forgiveness for Nazis. It's as simple as that. I talked to holocaust survivors. I've seen the numbers. No amount of good deeds could ever fix what the Nazis, and especially the officers, did. No redemption for them, in this life, or any other.

I've spoken to about 3 survivors in my time. Only 1 of them still has any animosity towards the Nazis. The other 2 don't really see them as evil anymore. They don't defend them, but they don't rant about how sick and twisted and demonic they were.

If people who experienced it 1st hand don't have anger left over it, why should I suddenly feel horrified by it and want to punish them?