Poll: Would you hit a woman in self defence(If it were Ronda Rousey)

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Kingjackl

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This sounds like the sort of question that an aging bloke afraid he's losing touch with the world would ask. It sounds like something from a Gallagher routine.

Why does it have to be Rhonda Rousey? If the principle is to ask would you hit a woman in self-defence then why make it a case where you'd lose no matter what you did? Feels a bit pointless.
 

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I don't even see how there can be a debate, after all:


But yeah, if someone comes at me with intent to injure me or worse, I will defend myself and be unapologetic (provided I don't accidentally kill/cripple the hypothetical target in which case it would depend on the level of harm that they intended).
 

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Kingjackl said:
This sounds like the sort of question that an aging bloke afraid he's losing touch with the world would ask. It sounds like something from a Gallagher routine.

Why does it have to be Rhonda Rousey? If the principle is to ask would you hit a woman in self-defence then why make it a case where you'd lose no matter what you did? Feels a bit pointless.
I think the rousey thing is partly for the comedy of the situation, but also because I think the OP is trying to eliminate some of the ambiguity that often comes up as people tend to make the hypothetical female attacker fit their argument. I've worked nightclub security in the past, in the majority of cases a female aggressor stands almost zero chance at causing significant harm to a male defender, and can generally be stopped and restrained without throwing any punches, 99 times out of a 100 throwing a punch at a female attacker would have just been grossly excessive, so you come up with a hypothetical attacker that the average man would not be able to easily restrain, so it becomes easier to justify a full on fight rather than just restraining, pushing, or tackling the attacker.

On a flat theoretical level, self-defense is universal, but in the case of man versus woman, it is a lot easier for the man to cross the self-defense threshold into excessive force than it is for the opposite, without involving fire arms or weapons at least. That's just legally, not even the public will generally agree with justified self defense claims if a 200 pound man OHKO's a woman half his size unless she has a weapon. I've fought athletic women, with visible muscle tone and boxing or martial arts experience, no one on Rousey's level obviously, but myself as a 6 foot 230 pound man could still subdue them without a single punch thrown, whereas an average sized man with little training would require 2 to 3 bouncers to subdue and even then it was even odds one of use would walk away with a split lip or black eye. A man with actual muscles or fighting training would draw response from casino security, be dog piled by half a dozen guys and sometimes even the police would have to show up to get control of the situation, that's if he doesn't completely break away from security and escape the premises before the cops show up.

Even with the attacker being Miss Rousey, there's a reason she (intelligently) never took any challenges from fighters in higher weight classes, which she was bantamweight, so a max of 135 pounds I think (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Weight classes are there for a reason, and even an amateur or untrained heavyweight can KO a professional lightweight, add in gender differences and I'd rather go head to head with Rousey than even attempt to take on an untrained male my own weight class. There's a reason Olympic level women's teams get crushed by varsity high school or junior college level male teams. Don't get me wrong, if an untrained fighter, male or not, was actually up against Rhonda Rousey in a dark alley somewhere, defend yourself, I've got no problems with self-defense, just people who respond to every situation with the same level of force, those guys usually ended up hauled out of the club in cuffs because they knocked someone out for shoving them.
 

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Fieldy409 said:
So through a series of hilarious and zany events you accidentally made a mortal enemy of former womens bantamweight MMA champion Ronda Rousey.

She has you trapped in an alleyway and she is coming at you declaring that she is going to armbar your dick off. All seems lost because you are just a normal soft and pudgy guy vs a terrifying valkyrie but then you hear the voice of the spirit of Holly Holm(she died somehow I guess) telling you that there is an opening to punch. Your fist vibrates with what feels like the power of a thousand suns and you know you can end this with one punch.

But wait, Ronda Rousey is a lady! Even if she is a trained martial artist hitting her would be dishonorable right? So do you accept your beating and learn to pee with an L shape cock? Is there another way? Do you let this fleeting moment of mystic and spiritual power pass unused?

(And to the ladys(on a videogame site whaaaat?). Um hi whats up?
I think I might get away with cracking Rousey's nose- but probably only her.
Consider this: If an ordinary looking woman (i.e, one who doesn't appear to be in supreme physical shape) comes at me with a kusarigama and I smash her knees, I'm quite likely to face an unsympathetic jury who will swoon over the oh-so-defenseless lady and will not hesitate to throw my moderately muscular arse in prison, specific circumstances be damned.
But Rousey? She's not exactly Mother Theresa reborn, is she? She's built quite the reputation of being a biotch (as well as plain built!) and that same jury would likely be more sympathetic to the claim that she was planning to armbar my dick off and would sway further toward my side. Not to mention that the thought of a moderately muscular but otherwise typical street rogue splattering Rousey's nasal juices all over the sidewalk would earn me mad respect. Mad respect, bro!
So... in other words, I'd definitely give Rousey a thrashing (assuming I'd be physically able to do so) but any other woman? I might be more hesitant. I'd need to see some sort of lethal weapon to consider responding with joint-snapping strikes of my own and no, I don't count hands as lethal weapons. A few gut shots won't put me under, I think.
 

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If Rhonda Rousey was attacking me I would probably curl up into a ball and start crying, thereby stopping the attack. Who wants to beat up a grown man bawling his eyes out? No one that is who. Also, im pretty sure someone like Rhonda Rousey attacking someone can be considered assault with a deadly weapon as she is a trained martial artist, meaning she is looking at serious jail time.

On a more serious note, if a woman attacked me, i cant see myself ever throwing a punch in self defense unless she has a weapon. It would be way too easy for it to cross into excessive force (and in the heat of the moment i dont know if i can fine tune my restraint) and if she presses charges all it would take is for her to shed one tear at the trial or in front of a camera before the jury/public will throw my ass into the electric chair.
 

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Hitting women is fun, I love knocking them down and kicking their ovaries.

Oops, I mean- hitting men is fun. I love hitting them in the testicles. Also, my name is Adam Sandler. "Guy gets hit in balls" is about 20% of my material.
 

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Impossible scenario aside, if it's Ronda Rousey she's probably going to beat your ass unless you get a lucky hit, guy or not she is more experienced than most people.

Otherwise, self defense is self defense no matter who is attacking you. If they intend you real harm then you have the right to defend yourself.
 

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MarsAtlas said:
Zhukov said:
What?

Are you basing this off actual legal knowledge?

Because where I'm from that is most definitely a case of self defense.
Well lets break it down...
Okay, so right off the bat that's clearly a "no" to the "actual legal knowledge" question.

There is no reason to "break it down". These are not three isolated incidents. Separately, yes, someone walking toward you, someone assuming an aggressive stance and someone making verbal threats would each be shaky grounds for punching those somebodies. But all three together? Clear threat to your safety.

Like I said, I don't know where you're from, so maybe you have different laws there.

...and assume that there are no witnesses...
No witnesses? Then who says I was even there? I was at home your honour, reading a lovely book on pacifism and nursing these bruised knuckles that I received at my Krav class.

Avoidance and flight...
Massively irrelevant.

The situation outlined does not allow for avoidance or flight. The shit has already hit the fan and your are, quote, "trapped".

Some idiot carrying out his SWAT room-clearing fantasy because he saw a broken window is also irrelevant. That's a massively different situation. A broken window is not an immediate threat to your safety.

There's the also the matter of risk. If someone is seriously attacking you then your death or permanent injury is a possible outcome. (I'm sure you're aware that even fist fights without any lethal intent can still result in death.) I'd rather protect myself as well as I am able and risk the judgement of a jury than risk death or life in a wheelchair.

Look, you're right that avoidance and flight are the generally smart options, but they aren't always going to be options. And I don't think a silly hypothetical situation thread about punching Ronda Rousey is the place to beat that particular drum.
 

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Would I hit a lady in self defense? Sure. Would I hit Rhonda Rousey? No, I don't want to antagonize her even further than she is in this hypothetical situation.

EDIT: On a more serious note women can be every bit as dangerous as men. Look up Aileen Wuornos. A lot of people will remember Jodi Arias. I could literally write a few paragraphs listing the names of female murderers and perpetrators of violent crime. If anyone here has ever wrestled with their girlfriend they'll know that a woman is not necessarily that much weaker than a man and if your life is at risk don't hesitate because of someone's private parts.
 

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ah nope, but that's mostly because im more afraid my sister would find out and she really could be a MMA fighter if she wanted. hits harder then any man ive been hit by and most of my friends are in the service.
 

Remus

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Hell. Yes. I've been in these situations - the women I know are unusually large, and I don't mean in girth, well... not only in girth. Some are taller than I am, and this being the country, guaranteed to be at least comparatively as strong as me. If one came at me with intent to do harm to myself or my property, I would 100% KNOCK THEM OUT. Being a woman does not give you permission to be a dick or to commit crimes without recourse. Of course, if this was Rousey, no way would I only use my fist. I'd also use pepper spray, a billy club, tazer, and/or beanbag gun. Whatever it takes to put that specimen on the ground with no desire to continue the fight.
 

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Ragsnstitches said:
I would soil myself so violently and hope it's enough to make her go away.
Not bad. Believe it or not that is a valid tactic of defence. If your too disgusting to touch there's a good chance your attacker won't continue the attack, particularly not barehanded. Someone might also attempt to get naked. I've seen nudity defuse more then one fight. For some reason people aren't eager to combatively grapple with nude people.
 

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Namehere said:
Ragsnstitches said:
I would soil myself so violently and hope it's enough to make her go away.
Not bad. Believe it or not that is a valid tactic of defence. If your too disgusting to touch there's a good chance your attacker won't continue the attack, particularly not barehanded. Someone might also attempt to get naked. I've seen nudity defuse more then one fight. For some reason people aren't eager to combatively grapple with nude people.
I wouldn't call it a tactic, more of an involuntary bowel movement.

Maybe I could use it to my advantage... on top of making me too gross to touch, I also have immediate access to impromptu ranged weaponry.
 

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How is this even a discussion if someone is threatening me and I feel in danger I will do anything in my power to defend myself, it that includes punching clawing or even biting I will do it, I don't care who you are, seriously where does this stigma of "men should never hit women under any circumstances" come from?
 

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thewatergamer said:
How is this even a discussion if someone is threatening me and I feel in danger I will do anything in my power to defend myself, it that includes punching clawing or even biting I will do it, I don't care who you are, seriously where does this stigma of "men should never hit women under any circumstances" come from?
From generations of social reinforcement that men shouldn't hit women, under any circumstances. Hell I remember having to watch videos about this stuff in school. And hearing PSA's on the radio about it. The false assumption with these educational statements is that women would never perpetuate violence, implying that the woman is always the victim, and thus, the man is always the aggressor. And so they would hammer into our little male brains "Never hit a woman, never hit a woman. They're weaker than you, you could hurt them easily, so don't do it." Nevermind all the sexist presuppositions and false certainties in those types of comments, it's what was sent out there to the masses. So that's where it comes from.
 

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My usual response to a violently aggressive female, is to clasp their arms across their chest and apply an indomitable bear hug from behind. somehow I did not think that would work against some sort of MMA champion or whatever. I got to go with the spontaneous magic fist on this one.
 

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Reasonable Atheist said:
My usual response to a violently aggressive female, is to clasp their arms across their chest and apply an indomitable bear hug from behind. somehow I did not think that would work against some sort of MMA champion or whatever. I got to go with the spontaneous magic fist on this one.
Sooo....basically surprise butt secks? Yeah, I can see how that would surprise anyone. :p
 

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if a woman attacks me i punch the woman. if a man attacks me i punch the man. if a handcapped person attacks me i punch the handicapped person. when you attack someone in such a fashion you give them the right to retalliate. i wouldn't beat them down or kill them or injure them if not necessary but i wouldn't hesitate to give them what for