Poll: Would you kill an infant if it meant saving the lives of a large group of people?

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infernovolver

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The answer is yes. If that is the absolutely positively only option to survive along with a large group of people, absolutely. However I do despise children and I despise babies even more. Especially the screaming, crying ones. So maybe I'm a bit more biased when it comes to this poll.
 

AvsJoe

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Akytalusia said:
AvsJoe said:
Also, wasn't this exact scenario in the M*A*S*H finale?
that's what i was gonna post. lol. you must be old like me. none of these kids would understand what you just said, i don't think.
Nah, I'm only 23, but I used to watch reruns with my mom. I've never seen the episode but I've always wanted to.
 

Jezzascmezza

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Yeah, I'd probably kill it.
It would be far from pleasant to actually do it, yet 20 lives saved are better than none.
 

ScumbagEddie

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I'd not be a pussy and go out and die trying to fight back. Fuck that hiding in a cellar bullshit. They didn't kill the baby in Willow because it cried. They kidnapped the commander and kicked sacks getting out of there. Really. Killing an infant to save your own worthless ass is pathetic.
 

Ixnay1111

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The people who said yes wouldn't if they were in that situation.

Besides, its not logical to just kill a baby thats crying in a large group because there is bound to be a few who won't see it as you do.

These people are going to do one of the following...
Theyll give away your position by starting a fight.
Theyll choose to give your group away out of spite or out of a sense of hopelessness (morale is a powerful thing, and resorting to killing babies to save yourself is very damaging).
They will kill you later, either out of revenge or in case you feel like killing someone else later.

You see, the survival as a group mentality doesn't work to well if you have to kill people to survive. It defeats the purpose and brings a lack of faith and disent within the group.

If I was in that situation, and someone did kill a baby because it was crying, I would kill that person.
 

manic_depressive13

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There are too many issues with this scenario.
1. It would appear that even if I don't kill the baby, the soldiers would.
2. Slaughtering an infant would probably result in noise from the adults.
3. My own life is in danger, changing the scenario from an infant or a bunch of adults, to an infant or me, which would probably influence my decision.

However, if we were to take it some insane person offered me an ultimatum where I could choose to personally kill the baby or let the people die, but either way my life would be spared, I would not kill the baby. However, I do believe killing it would be the right thing to do. I just don't care enough about ethics or lives to get my hands dirty. If this psychopath was to be the one doing the killing of both parties, and I merely had to pick one (without exerting myself or taking any real initiative) I'd pick the baby, and save the people.
 

Scabadus

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Look this is the problem with trying to give context without properly thinking through the example:

The infant is crying for something, give it what it wants (normally food).
Muffle its cries with your shirt.
Put your hand over its mouth and nose to stop it breathing until it falls unconsious, but let it live.
Hit it over the head, again knocking it out but letting it live.

You also have to take into account the parents' reaction if you kill their child in front of them, do you think they'll stay quiet? You just took away their entire reason for living; they arn't going to care about their own lives and they'll want to take away yours.

Just use the damn train track dilema:

A train is speeding down a track and about to hit a large group of people. The track is fenced in: there is no way over, around, through or under the fence in the time it takes the train to hit the people. You can divert the train onto a sidetrack and save the large group, however on this sidetrack is a single baby. If you do not divert the train, the group will die. If you do divert it, the baby will die. Do you divert the train?

You then add other parts to that such as "the baby's parents are watching you" or "you are on camera and peopel will see your actions" to make things interesting. You can try switching the consequences too: the train is speeding towards the baby and you can divert it to hit the large group (this way you don't take action to kill the baby; you let events unfold without explicitly stopping them, there's a big difference to some people).

Now, after that, yes I'd kill the baby every time. One life against more than one life, there's no contest for me. Screw what other people think too, they can hate me all they want but I'd know I did the right thing.
 

vivster

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generally it's an easy decision
kill the baby or get killed
plus a baby is MUCH less worth than a grown human(as it is easy to reproduce)

yeah but if we have a scenario close to reality there will be a bunch of whiny women(maybe men) who gonna start arguing about said baby killing and then we will be found because of stupid irrational people's screaming or i'd have to deal with a bunch of adults at once which will be very difficult

generally it's easy if you say that you will DEFINITELY be murdered if the baby stays alive
make that into a MAYBE and we have a quite bigger conundrum
 

Nexus4

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Of course, if that was the only way then I would do it without hesitation. If it were my own child, I would hesitate, but the end result would be the same. Also to the other commentators: I think the OP is just trying to get a sense of everyones morality. Yes his example defies simple logic and reasoning, but that is not the point here. So just answer the damn question without trying to twist your way out of it or don't participate if you are only going to say something that is already abundantly clear to everyone else.
 

Contradiction

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Let the baby cry and bolt leaving the group to be found and killed while I leg it.
With no other alternative... I would not kill the baby. Instead fight and as the scenario puts forth die. If not for the innocence of the situation for the spite I would feel toward my pursuers. I would not feel good with such a cowardly action.
If the scenario was killing the baby cures an illness killing everyone. Yeah. Kill the baby.

I know I'm being annoying with semantics but put up a scenario and expect for the person to empathise with it.
 

Tib088

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I think the right thing to do would be to kill the baby. But I wouldn't be able to go through with it.
 

Titan Buttons

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I really don't think I can imagen a situation in which I would actually kill an infant, unless the infant was evil or something. But I don't really know if I could let so many people die

If it was my kid I would trade their lives for the life of my child
 

zaly

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I'm surprised Torchwood: Children Of The Earth hasn't been brought up.

I would definitely recommend it if you haven't seen it. Its very dark for a spin off of Doctor Who, but very well done.

SPOILERS
If I remember correctly, Captain Jack has to choose between the life of his grandson, or 10% of the Earths children. Suffice to say he sacrifices his grandson, but is pretty devastated afterwards.

In a situation like that, its a no win situation, the best option would be to go with the lesser evil - ie kill the child, and hope you can live with it.