I immediately said "Fuck no" thinking that you probably meant feminazi feminism.
But what you're doing sounds just fine.
But what you're doing sounds just fine.
Poll: Would you play a game with feminist overtones?
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I hate feminism as much as feminists hate "male supremacy".
I believe an equal standing between the sexes should be worked towards, instead of flinging shit back and forth, claiming to be the best gender.
To answer the question; No, I would not play the game.
I believe an equal standing between the sexes should be worked towards, instead of flinging shit back and forth, claiming to be the best gender.
To answer the question; No, I would not play the game.
Sure, I'd give it a go. Nothing wrong with letting all the space-marine testosterone take a rest for a while- I'd actually be very intrigued to see a GTA game or the like with a female lead (not that that's necessarily the style you're implying for your own game.)
The one thing I'd be concerned about would be being sure to make that female-heavy setting something that seemed natural to the characters and not driving an excess of exposition or moralizing. It would be far more arresting to the player to have that setting be something as natural to the player's character(s) as our own is to us.
As long as you can accomplish that, I don't think there should be any problem with it being taken seriously- at least, by anyone who mattered, so to speak.
The one thing I'd be concerned about would be being sure to make that female-heavy setting something that seemed natural to the characters and not driving an excess of exposition or moralizing. It would be far more arresting to the player to have that setting be something as natural to the player's character(s) as our own is to us.
As long as you can accomplish that, I don't think there should be any problem with it being taken seriously- at least, by anyone who mattered, so to speak.
Sounds like a very interesting premise. Fairy society as you imagine it sounds matriarchal rather than feminist, and I like the idea of exploring society from the other point of view like that. I'd play it, for sure! I really don't see any problem with the game featuring primarily female characters, either.
Just one minor correction to your OP - My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is far from being a guilty pleasure. Most of us who like will happily admit to it in public with nary a qualm.
Just one minor correction to your OP - My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is far from being a guilty pleasure. Most of us who like will happily admit to it in public with nary a qualm.
feminism in a game? if it's in a game world where it's justified, then sure, why not?
however, your idea just seems weak (also, overdone). simply reversing the "traditional" roles won't make any real difference; it would probably make me feel about the same way dragon age makes me feel whenever my elf character is sneered at.
capital letters? apparently not in this post.
however, your idea just seems weak (also, overdone). simply reversing the "traditional" roles won't make any real difference; it would probably make me feel about the same way dragon age makes me feel whenever my elf character is sneered at.
capital letters? apparently not in this post.
It depends on what we're talking about. If we're talking about a game where the central role of the characters is to prove that men are pigs and "the patriarchy" is oppressive, then I'd be too angry with murder frenzy to play it. If we're talking about your game, I don't have any problem playing a female character in a female dominated game. In fact, being raised by women, I find it much easier to identify with and understand women.
If you're talking about political feminism with its tentacles in leftist politics, I'm going to hate your game because I'm not the target audience. If it's a matter of palette swaps I'm not going to give it two seconds of thought.
If you're talking about political feminism with its tentacles in leftist politics, I'm going to hate your game because I'm not the target audience. If it's a matter of palette swaps I'm not going to give it two seconds of thought.
Well it depends on how you portray those women and what they are doing, you know? As you point out, if those women are portrayed vageuly exploitatively then it isn't so much with the feminism. Similarly, if you only end up reinforcing jacked-upness about women and men...then not so feminist. It isn't the presence of women that makes something feminist, it isn't even the presence of strong women that makes something feminist, but what you do with them that matters.James Joseph Emerald said:
There are lots of anti-feminist backlash films from the 80s with strong women in them...but those women usually are portrayed as crazy, lonely, miserable...or they get reformed in some creepy way. Sometimes you have a "strong" woman who works against feminist principles...which is about challenging oppressive structures...by embracing and profiting off of oppressive structures...also not feminist.
Also, some things you don't even expect, that don't look like it on the surface, can end up being wonderfully feminist. I read a really wonderful article about Mad Men, and how that show, which has more female writers than hardly any other primetime TV show, is one of the most feminist shows around...but in a very subtle way that it seems a lot of people miss. But it is all there...the show focuses on Don Draper, but does so in a feminist way that show how patriarchy is not good for men either. Heck you could have a feminist game that didn't have any women in it at all.
Anyhow, I love games that are feminist. If you end up making a feminist game--that is actually feminist as opposed to just a game with women in it--I'd be happy to play it.
hold on, you have a game in the works about well armed fairies engaged in guerrilla combat with an attacking force and you lead with feminism? Do you feel my disappointment? Anyway, this (the overtones) will only work if integrated subtly, little things like making the only male soldier wear a dress because that is the only uniform they have will keep the tone light which it must stay to be fun.
sorry, lost track of the point, you could do it in the same way bioware loves to talk about racism by creating racist characters who are pointlessly evil, but this looses the message in the stupid. A better way would be to start a likable person and then make that person misogynistic so that the character in question gains depth and working through it becomes part of the character's growth.
also someone should say "we know who wears the skirt in that marriage" because it would be funny.
sorry, lost track of the point, you could do it in the same way bioware loves to talk about racism by creating racist characters who are pointlessly evil, but this looses the message in the stupid. A better way would be to start a likable person and then make that person misogynistic so that the character in question gains depth and working through it becomes part of the character's growth.
also someone should say "we know who wears the skirt in that marriage" because it would be funny.
Assuming the gameplay was up to snuff, I wouldn't mind it if it wasn't preachy. However, I have trouble going through anything that takes a message and tries to beat me over the head with it.
In short, subtlety is key. Next to gameplay.
In short, subtlety is key. Next to gameplay.
So it basically deals with ordinary society with the ordinary gender roles in place, only who get to carry foetuses gets switched? Sounds a whole lot like running in place to me, much like X + Y = Z really isn't all too different from Y + X = Z, and certainly doesn't say anything different.
Otherwise the only question would be: Is it good? I don't really care who make up the cast, only how they do so. I don't care what (societally relevant) themes get touched upon in which way, but whether at the end of the day it actually have something worthwhile to say on them. Agreement is always nice, but entirely optional.
Otherwise the only question would be: Is it good? I don't really care who make up the cast, only how they do so. I don't care what (societally relevant) themes get touched upon in which way, but whether at the end of the day it actually have something worthwhile to say on them. Agreement is always nice, but entirely optional.
Well, to be fair, any game about any theme or issue has to be set in places and feature things which probably should be interesting in of themselves.2733 said:
Heh...although, not if they were Scottish fairies, in which case it'd be a non-issue2733 said:
Depends how much so really!
I mean, if you regard "Overtones" as running around castrating males in an all female army, then, no, I think I'll stay away from that, but, a game wherein the male-female gender roles are completely reversed and sexism towards men is common place?
Well, it'd be interesting, but, I don't think anyone likes to play a video game where your gender is made to feel inferior.
I mean, if you regard "Overtones" as running around castrating males in an all female army, then, no, I think I'll stay away from that, but, a game wherein the male-female gender roles are completely reversed and sexism towards men is common place?
Well, it'd be interesting, but, I don't think anyone likes to play a video game where your gender is made to feel inferior.
