Poll: Would You Vote For the BNP?

[Doug]

I would (and have) gone much further than simply 'Not Voting'. The real problem is not how many vte for them, it's how many people sit by and watch. I marched in several anti-BNP rallies around the time of the EU Parliament elections. I'm still undecided as to the best party to vote for, but I will vote for someone in order to keep them out.

We can't just not vote for them, we have to be active, and vote to keep them out.

Ok im gunna say something, they are NEVER going to get into power, its just everyones so scared of such an eventuality that it seems so bad that even a party like this exists. You can't force a party to stop being a party, Thats what the Nazi's did. They will NOT get into power i can stress that enough.

I bet members of the German communist party said that before the Nazi's (well, more accurately, Hitler) managed to wormed their way into power and destroyed them outright.

Personally, I'm sadly doubtful that the BNP won't gain some power in the next election. There is a real risk the Conservatives, in the event of a hung government, would have to ally themselves with a smaller party to form a government - hopefully not the BNP, but its not something I would bet alot of money on.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

I would (and have) gone much further than simply 'Not Voting'. The real problem is not how many vte for them, it's how many people sit by and watch. I marched in several anti-BNP rallies around the time of the EU Parliament elections. I'm still undecided as to the best party to vote for, but I will vote for someone in order to keep them out.

We can't just not vote for them, we have to be active, and vote to keep them out.

Ok im gunna say something, they are NEVER going to get into power, its just everyones so scared of such an eventuality that it seems so bad that even a party like this exists. You can't force a party to stop being a party, Thats what the Nazi's did. They will NOT get into power i can stress that enough.

It's not about that, it's never about that. It's about making a stand for something you believe in, and following through on that. It's about more than trying to keep this party out, it's about trying to show people that they are wrong in almost every way it's possible to be wrong. It's about opposing every misconstrued, badly worded, overhyped piece of crap they spew, and actually making your contribution.

I know they're not likely to get in, but I couldn't be proud of a Britain that just lets them waltz around continuing their campaign of hate. I'd march against anyone who impeached, even if they had no power, against things I believe in. That's just the way I am.

 

[ReincarnatedFTP]

I would (and have) gone much further than simply 'Not Voting'. The real problem is not how many vte for them, it's how many people sit by and watch. I marched in several anti-BNP rallies around the time of the EU Parliament elections. I'm still undecided as to the best party to vote for, but I will vote for someone in order to keep them out.

We can't just not vote for them, we have to be active, and vote to keep them out.

Ok im gunna say something, they are NEVER going to get into power, its just everyones so scared of such an eventuality that it seems so bad that even a party like this exists. You can't force a party to stop being a party, Thats what the Nazi's did. They will NOT get into power i can stress that enough.

I bet members of the German communist party said that before the Nazi's (well, more accurately, Hitler) managed to wormed their way into power and destroyed them outright.

Personally, I'm sadly doubtful that the BNP won't gain some power in the next election. There is a real risk the Conservatives, in the event of a hung government, would have to ally themselves with a smaller party to form a government - hopefully not the BNP, but its not something I would bet alot of money on.

Well actually, they clashed violently in the streets throughout the late 20s and up to when Hitler got into power. The Night of the Long Knives involved taking out the left wing elements in the party, and when they realized the secret police were coming they tried to fight back and were purged.

If I remember correctly there was also a very violent paramilitary style force called the Iron Front. They took on communists, monarchists, and Nazis.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Hey im not saying the BNP were being oppressed, i dont want them running our country as much as the next british person, i was merely remarking that you cant change the laws of democracy because you dont like them.

It isn't just because I don't like them. It is because they are actively stirring up hate and encouraging violence, and they are doing it through a campaign of out-right lies and dehumanization of an ethnic group who have no real means of defending themselves. It is basically terrorism, using intimidation and the threat of physical violence as opposed to bombs and bullets.

"the electors of Millwall did not back a post modernist rightist party but what they perceived to be a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate."

It is vital that Griffin is opposed by English people, and I personally would like to see him either forced to tell the truth and forced to be open and honest in his political life or see his "party" closed down.

 

[bodyklok]

(can't because I'm Irish and not English, but still

Actually Citizens of the Irish Republic (I assume that's what you mean when you say Irsih, DON'T KILL ME!!>?1) can vote in British general elections.

http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/briefings/snpc-02208.pdf

Subsection A, Parliamentary Vote: Second point down.

Citizens of the Irish Republic who are resident in the UK

Not sure how you qualify for residence, I guess you just live here for 12 months or something like that.

OT: No, I wouldn't. Aside from disagreeing, on principle, to most of their policy. I feel that a Gov ran by the BNP would be offensively incompetent, even by todays standards. Just look at how past Fascist dictatorships have faired.

When you look at the the BNP policy, you can easily see how their policy is based on a glaringly terrible system of logic. Far from making Britain a stronger, independent power, they'd quickly grind us into the dust with bad expenditure (though we'd save a bit on wars), terrible trade relations, and a bumbling series of Reforms.

 

[badgersprite]

Of course not. Why the hell would I vote for a party that hates me? =P I may be masochistic but I'm not suicidal. XD Apart from that, I'm a complete and utter left-wing hippie - with or without the racist and homophobic aspect, Nationalist movements and I are ideologically opposed on various other economic and social issues. Nah. I'm a Green.

 

[Doug]

I would (and have) gone much further than simply 'Not Voting'. The real problem is not how many vte for them, it's how many people sit by and watch. I marched in several anti-BNP rallies around the time of the EU Parliament elections. I'm still undecided as to the best party to vote for, but I will vote for someone in order to keep them out.

We can't just not vote for them, we have to be active, and vote to keep them out.

Ok im gunna say something, they are NEVER going to get into power, its just everyones so scared of such an eventuality that it seems so bad that even a party like this exists. You can't force a party to stop being a party, Thats what the Nazi's did. They will NOT get into power i can stress that enough.

I bet members of the German communist party said that before the Nazi's (well, more accurately, Hitler) managed to wormed their way into power and destroyed them outright.

Personally, I'm sadly doubtful that the BNP won't gain some power in the next election. There is a real risk the Conservatives, in the event of a hung government, would have to ally themselves with a smaller party to form a government - hopefully not the BNP, but its not something I would bet alot of money on.

Well actually, they clashed violently in the streets throughout the late 20s and up to when Hitler got into power. The Night of the Long Knives was the last fight concerning that, when actual socialist/communist members of the Nazi Party who had been deceived by their populist "for the workforce" rhetoric realized they were fucked and fought back, and unfortunately lost along with the others who were killed.

If I remember correctly there was also a very violent paramilitary style force called the Iron Front. They took on communists, monarchists, and Nazis.

I thought the night of the long knives was when the Brown Shirts where taken down by the SA for 'teason against the Futher', or what not - basically, internal power politics within the paramilitary arms of the Nazi's.

As I recall, there where a few coup attempts, including at least 1 by the Nazi's lead by Hitler, before they switched to political means. The problem I have is that alot of unemployed people seem to be believing the BNP when they point at immigrants and go 'its their fault! Vote for us and we'll kick'em out'. As it happens, I'm unemployed now myself, but I'm not dumb/crazy/angry/deseperate enough to believe its down to immigrants (technically, its down to a mixture of American bankers, British bankers, and upper management getting nervious about falling profits).

Oh, and I nearly forgot - the BNP aren't just particularly stupid racists and facists - there also homophobic racists and facists.

 

[Doug]

(can't because I'm Irish and not English, but still

Actually Citizens of the Irish Republic (I assume that's what you mean when you say Irsih, DON'T KILL ME!!>?1) can vote in British general elections.

http://www.parliament.uk/commons/lib/research/briefings/snpc-02208.pdf

Subsection A, Parliamentary Vote: Second point down.

Citizens of the Irish Republic who are resident in the UK

Not sure how you qualify for residence, I guess you just live here for 12 months or something like that.

Wait, why do the Irish get a vote in the UK elections? The Northern Irish, of course, but the Republic of Ireland is an independant country, so why do their citizens get to vote in our elections then? Ok, if they immigrant here, fair enough, but then they'd be UK citizens.

 

[Enzeru92]

Like hell i would vote for those racist bastard for anything that is all am going to say about the matter

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

Fuck the fascists sums up my views of the BNP

 

[ReincarnatedFTP]

I thought the night of the long knives was when the Brown Shirts where taken down by the SA for 'teason against the Futher', or what not - basically, internal power politics within the paramilitary arms of the Nazi's.

Part of the internal politics was untrusted members. There's actually a variety of reasons.
1)Hitler didn't trust these steet fighters who did his work against the other parties to stay loyal to him throughout everything.
2)Hitler didn't trust some of the more conservative members who might overthrow him and gain their own following.
3)Hitler had to get rid of those who might revert to the left wing parties who had been deceived by populist rhetoric. EDIT: # 3 is basically the people who really wanted a stronger labour force and disagreed with Hitler's corporatism but like the supporters of the BNP blamed "those people".

 

[scotth266]

No, for the quite simple reason that I don't live in a country with it as one of the political parties.

 

[bodyklok]

Wait, why do the Irish get a vote in the UK elections? The Northern Irish, of course, but the Republic of Ireland is an independent country, so why do their citizens get to vote in our elections then? Ok, if they immigrant here, fair enough, but then they'd be UK citizens.

Basically, Irish people can vote in our elections because it's The Law. It's The Law because it's always been The Law.

ARE YOU CHALLENGING THE LAW?

In seriousness though, I don't know why it's like that, you'll have to look it up for your self. Probably has something to do with HM Parliament not bothering to change the law after they succeeded from us, I donnou I guess they're just lazy fuckers.

 

[Doug]

I thought the night of the long knives was when the Brown Shirts where taken down by the SA for 'teason against the Futher', or what not - basically, internal power politics within the paramilitary arms of the Nazi's.

Part of the internal politics was untrusted members. There's actually a variety of reasons.
1)Hitler didn't trust these steet fighters who did his work against the other parties to stay loyal to him throughout everything.
2)Hitler didn't trust some of the more conservative members who might overthrow him and gain their own following.
3)Hitler had to get rid of those who might revert to the left wing parties who had been deceived by populist rhetoric. EDIT: # 3 is basically the people who really wanted a stronger labour force and disagreed with Hitler's corporatism but like the supporters of the BNP blamed "those people".

Fair enough - my GCSE history was awhile ago, heh I do remember that Hitler was voted into power, and granted 'emergency powers' by the president of the Weimar Republic following the fire in the Reichstag that was blamed on Communists (although seems more likely to have been Nazi-started). And after the president died, Hitler simply declared himself president as well as leader.

EDIT:

Wait, why do the Irish get a vote in the UK elections? The Northern Irish, of course, but the Republic of Ireland is an independent country, so why do their citizens get to vote in our elections then? Ok, if they immigrant here, fair enough, but then they'd be UK citizens.

Basically, Irish people can vote in our elections because it's The Law. It's The Law because it's always been The Law.

ARE YOU CHALLENGING THE LAW?

In seriousness though, I don't know why it's like that, you'll have to look it up for your self. Probably has something to do with HM Parliament not bothering to change the law after they succeeded from us, I donnou I guess they're just lazy fuckers.

YES, I CHALLANGE 'DA LAWZ'!

Anywho, it does seem rather bizzaire - might have been introduced early on in the Irish Republic's life so Irish citizens could decide more easily if they wanted to go with the new republic or the northern territory of the UK. Probably. At a guess.

 

[Soulkiller3]

no am not rasist

 

[That's Funny]

I would never vote for the BNP, but we do need to change our legal system as it has really messed up the country and allowed BNP to get to the place it is in now.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Exactly the BNP are like legal "terrorists", If his party acted like any other party he would be laughed out of any palimentary meeting. Its because they are so radical, and unordthadox that they are attracting so much attention. This is why i agree they should be treated like another political party, that way we could see what a shambles their operation is.

"we want foriegners out!"

"how do you propose to sort out the financial crisis? How do you propose to spend the countries medical budget? How do you feel about commerce?"

"we want foriegners out!"

Although this is only hypothetical you can see that as a political party they are a joke. the man has no idea how to run a country only how to be a racist.

I understand where you are coming from, I just think you are vastly over-estimating the electorate. There is something very endearing about your point of view, and I mean that in a sincere way and not in an insulting way. It demonstrates your heart is smack-bang-middle in the right place and that you are looking for the good in other people. You are saying people are smart enough and tolerant enough to see the BNP for what they are and will be revolted by them. However, as I said in the other thread, history says otherwise. I don't suppose that, in 1941, many people thought: "You see, this is all working to plan. Now he's invaded Russia everyone will see just what an idiot this Hitler really is."

The thing is, this Griffin idiot is not talking to you or I when he is out and about on his little marches. He is talking to these people.

And these people.

These don't care about the economy or anything else. They only care about how many "darkies" are threatening their very existence. This is because they are all idiots.

More and more of these thugs are finding a focal point in the BNP and are becoming dangerous. At the very least, put yourself in the shoes of a Muslim woman who knows about 10 words of English, popping along to the local Mosque, you get confronted by 2000 of these thugs all chanting and screaming they want you gone, in a language you can't understand. It is intimidation and the threat of violence (and on that note, I take my hat off to MelasZepheos for going on marches against them), and makes me ashamed of my country. If Griffin was to just be a politician, ok. The problem is the BNP isn't just a political party, it is... something else.