Poll: Xbox Live's Dilema
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I have a few issues with some responses here. Firstly early access to demos, is like saying you have early access to the back cover of a book....Worthless. The three services mentioned in this thread are related but in no way shape or form equal. XBL PSN Steam.
XBL customers now have "rewards" and if that's not enough then tough. This is a pay for service. If you don't like it, don't pay. We will be happy to use the excess bandwidth you're leaving behind.
OT: Try to keep in mind that Sony NEEDS to kowtow to everyone right now. They need to kiss as much ass as possible to try to regain the user base they thought they had...BUUUUUT....they need to do it without losing more money. That's why the free titles in our "Welcome Back Package" are SOE titles. Microsoft doesn't need to do this. XBL is a multi million dollar service, they provide top notch online multiplayer service...They EARN their money by providing a service and keeping it running.
Why should we amass anything beyond that which we pay(too much) for? What sense of entitlement does paying for a service give you(those who are asking for freebies)? Is this what the world is coming to? Everyone looking for a handout? If it is, then I'll be one of the first to voluntarily check out and free up some air for the mouth breathers that are taking over.
XBL customers now have "rewards" and if that's not enough then tough. This is a pay for service. If you don't like it, don't pay. We will be happy to use the excess bandwidth you're leaving behind.
OT: Try to keep in mind that Sony NEEDS to kowtow to everyone right now. They need to kiss as much ass as possible to try to regain the user base they thought they had...BUUUUUT....they need to do it without losing more money. That's why the free titles in our "Welcome Back Package" are SOE titles. Microsoft doesn't need to do this. XBL is a multi million dollar service, they provide top notch online multiplayer service...They EARN their money by providing a service and keeping it running.
Why should we amass anything beyond that which we pay(too much) for? What sense of entitlement does paying for a service give you(those who are asking for freebies)? Is this what the world is coming to? Everyone looking for a handout? If it is, then I'll be one of the first to voluntarily check out and free up some air for the mouth breathers that are taking over.
I want a platinum service to be honest. With servers hosted by MS and fast connections to them, games would have special lobbies to play on these servers. There would be a heightened mod presence within the games getting rid of cheaters, hackers, abusive players etc. Possibly even backup servers so that there would be a gaurantee that it would 'never' go down, although that might be a stretch too far 
Throw in access to betas for many games (such as halo reach, but not just for those that bought ODST). Maybe even allow special preorder bonuses just to those who have this new level and discounts on older DLC.
I would happily pay 10-20 euros a month for this level of service, doubt many others would though...
You get what you pay for. Simple as.
Throw in access to betas for many games (such as halo reach, but not just for those that bought ODST). Maybe even allow special preorder bonuses just to those who have this new level and discounts on older DLC.I would happily pay 10-20 euros a month for this level of service, doubt many others would though...
You get what you pay for. Simple as.
Plus, they even give great deals on the subscriptions at times as well.Baby Tea said:
I believe around last December is when they were raising the subscription price and it would be $60 for a year instead of $50. Well, for about a week, they had a deal going, for the impending raise in price, if people changed their subscription to a yearly subscription(I was monthly at the time) they got the next full year for $40. So for this subscription year, I am only paying roughly $3.33 a month.
Service one screws up royal, gives presents to try to win back customers. Service two hasn't screwed up and is now expected to hand out presents too. Are you here to troll? Are you so spoiled? Come on.Raikazu said:
Right...but that's not a lot of money by pretty much anyone's standards. Anyone who has ever worked a job can make that much and then some in a day, even if they're working for minimum wage.Raikazu said:
That's a pretty weak argument. "You get what you pay for" is in full effect here. It was a 'free' service, and now thousands of people have to go through the process of canceling and re-ordering credit and debit cards because that very same 'free' service wasn't secured very well.Raikazu said:
I can still be mad that they had poor protection on important information that we trusted them with. This isn't making right what was wrong: this is trying to make up for it, and those are two very different things.Raikazu said:
Except Steam is based off the computer...which, unlike a console, is built around the concept of being able to connect with other computers. If it wasn't free, no one would use it.Raikazu said:
Steam being free can also be attributed to it being run by Valve, which is kind of like a winery being free because it's run by Jesus.
And there's a phrase for that: "unwarranted sense of entitlement."Raikazu said:
You mention Live "never having significant downtime." You also failed to mention, "performing the service we pay for exactly as stated." Xbox Live is a paid service. We give them money, and they give us a service in return. That's how any business works.
Consider the military. Soldier A is shot, and he receives a Purple Heart. Do Soldiers B-Z suddenly demand that they, too, get medals, because they've been so 'loyal' and Soldier A just got one 'for free'? Of course not. Soldier A clearly suffered for what he got. PSN users aren't getting stuff 'for free.' They're getting stuff because they got screwed by the company they trusted sensitive financial information to.
You know what? Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea for Microsoft and Live to reward members for continued service from time to time. But for the love of Christ, don't think for an instant that they're obligated to do it because of this PSN rigmarole. The only way "loyalty" plays into this, as far as I can tell, is for players who don't suddenly demand gifts from the service that's performed exactly and consistently as described. That falls more in line with actual loyalty than the mercenary/extortion racket you're describing.Raikazu said:
Xbox live should stay exactly as it is. Sony is undercutting at a loss to itself which is a dirty and underhanded market tactic leading to poor quality services, and microsoft's "we don't really care if PSN is free" attitude is the proper way to deal with it.
Well hang on, Xbox users havnt had to go 3 weeks without their online. So why should microsoft award them for nothing, i do understand the whole loyal customer thing but the reason PSN is doing all had to do something to compensate its users, giving away free games for the sake of other'd got them isnt financially a good idea.
Im a ps3 user by the way.
Im a ps3 user by the way.
I got to play for a month while PS3 players got to sit on their thumb...seriously dude do you really think MS needs to give us something for free because...um...you feel entitled to something for free?
This is Sony doing massive damage control for its users not XBoxLive shunning its customers in the face of the competitions freebies, which if I were a PSN user, would still be seriously considering not sticking around a month of downtime and stolen CC # and passwords is just bad imho.
This is Sony doing massive damage control for its users not XBoxLive shunning its customers in the face of the competitions freebies, which if I were a PSN user, would still be seriously considering not sticking around a month of downtime and stolen CC # and passwords is just bad imho.
My only gripe is that it's so damned expensive, yes I know it costs a lot of money to run Netflix and Last.FM and Facebook (among others) but how about you create a Platinum membership? Everyone who signs up for Platinum has access to all of that extra content, and with less people getting automatic access it's less content so it's cheaper to maintain. That way gold can just be Online Play and Arcade. But for anyone saying "Well it should just be free cause the PSN and Nintendo is!" Look how reliable they are, to my knowledge Live has never had a down time of more than a day or so. We get what we pay for and that's the best service day in and day out
I'm a 360 owner and while I don't feel cheated with the subscription fees I do feel that a £33 its overpriced for what I get. Drop it down to 25 quid a year its a better balance between cost and service provided.
Where are these Xbox owners? Point them out so I can tell them to stop being so selfish. Their reward is not having all their personal information stolen and being at greater risk of identity theft, and that Xbox Live and ALL of its features were not down for almost a month.Raikazu said:
The hell I can't. I reserve the right to be angry with them until I get my identity theft protection they promised. And they need to hurry up with that, because that's what makes Sony forgivable. Not an extremely piss poor selection of free games. And I'm actually getting more angry with Sony every day that I don't get that e-mail with the sign up instructions. Prioritize, Sony. People not having their lives ruined is more important than your online network.Raikazu said:
They didn't make a mistake they where hacked, they didn't accidently pushed the network off buttonjoystickjunki3 said:
I don't know. Maybe free microsoft points with each time you renew? To be honest, do we really deserve something? The free psn games were compensation, rightly given, but what does ms truly owe us? Yes, we're loyal enough to keep paying when there are alternatives, but i think most people agree, we ain't on gold for freebies.
Perhaps it is time our loyalty was rewarded, but i'd be happy with a free 400 or so ms points with every new annual subscription.
Perhaps it is time our loyalty was rewarded, but i'd be happy with a free 400 or so ms points with every new annual subscription.
Xbox Live has never, ever gone down for a month. Or even a week.
Xbox Live users already get a lot of content 1 to 2 to even 3 months before other users.
I think that $60 a year is well worth it; its less than a dollar a day.
Xbox Live users already get a lot of content 1 to 2 to even 3 months before other users.
I think that $60 a year is well worth it; its less than a dollar a day.
