But renting games is exactly what you would have got with the X Box One. Granted probably a long term rental, but a rental nonetheless. It all depends on how long Microsoft think it's worth keeping the servers open.HydroFire said:
Poll: XBOX ONE DRM BACK!
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No, but you said it was a "small price to pay," which pretty much as the same effect.HydroFire said:
Honestly, please explain to me why Microsoft HAD to nix the sharing when they nixed the online check-in thing. Because all we asked them to get rid of was the always-online bullshit, and they went and got rid of EVERYTHING. We asked them to get rid of the bad and keep the good, but they got rid of both.
If anything, you should be bombarding Microsoft with this nonsense, not us. They're the ones who took it away, not us.
Yeah, they explicitly stated that the 24 hour was for the primary console only.IceForce said:
Yeah, but look at how Microsoft handled the situation in the first place. If their EXECUTIVES can't handle PR better than that, how can anyone else?
"You're backwards! Buy a 360! Why would I want to live in 85% of America?"
Yeah, they had some real classy folk running the show.
What the hell? /v/'s been adamantly against the Xbone since the first details came out.mad825 said:
The difference is that Valve has made it quite explicitly clear that whenever their company comes to an end, their games will live past them and their fans will be able to enjoy what they have purchased even if Valve is not there to be able to support them.
Microsoft doesn't even guarantee that they will support their own product after a new generation comes out. Pure digital download without some kind of hard copy and the option for operation independent of the service is just asking for lost product complaints, one way or the other. There is no guarantee that we would be able to have Xbox One games after the Xbox One cloud dies, and some day it -will- die. Games should be able to live as long as people want to play them.
This cloud-calling trigger risks making an entire generation of video games 'lost games' at some point; it doesn't matter if Halo 5 turns out to be a touching drama and becomes the greatest FPS to hit the market in a decade if no one can play it for themselves to prove it, after its cloud support is gone.
DRM's record, so far, is one that has edged into unhelpfulness; pirates seem to have better luck cracking a game than a game with what I'm going to call external DRM for convenience's sake, which in this case is anything that triggers outside of gameplay. This external DRM in turn tends to inconvenience innocent end-users the most (Sony rootkit blues, anyone?). This is what the cloud is, yet amusingly, for all its comparisons to Xbox One's cloud, valid or otherwise, Steam doesn't demand the same constant external call; you can sign in once in offline mode, and be offline for a vast majority of their games, never once connected to the internet and yet still playing.
Internal gameplay DRM like Mirror's Edge and its slowdown mechanic for unlicensed copies, on the other hand, are self-contained, at much less risk to break a system, and usually end up much better-accepted, especially since they've been using in-game DRM tricks since even the NES and SNES age. Cutting the game short or deliberately glitching it because it's pirated is a pretty clever way to waste the time of the pirates, because time and effort is the one thing they can't get back.
Nothing quite like denying a person their accomplishment and letting them know they've wasted their time to frustrate or emotionally crush them.
Microsoft doesn't even guarantee that they will support their own product after a new generation comes out. Pure digital download without some kind of hard copy and the option for operation independent of the service is just asking for lost product complaints, one way or the other. There is no guarantee that we would be able to have Xbox One games after the Xbox One cloud dies, and some day it -will- die. Games should be able to live as long as people want to play them.
This cloud-calling trigger risks making an entire generation of video games 'lost games' at some point; it doesn't matter if Halo 5 turns out to be a touching drama and becomes the greatest FPS to hit the market in a decade if no one can play it for themselves to prove it, after its cloud support is gone.
DRM's record, so far, is one that has edged into unhelpfulness; pirates seem to have better luck cracking a game than a game with what I'm going to call external DRM for convenience's sake, which in this case is anything that triggers outside of gameplay. This external DRM in turn tends to inconvenience innocent end-users the most (Sony rootkit blues, anyone?). This is what the cloud is, yet amusingly, for all its comparisons to Xbox One's cloud, valid or otherwise, Steam doesn't demand the same constant external call; you can sign in once in offline mode, and be offline for a vast majority of their games, never once connected to the internet and yet still playing.
Internal gameplay DRM like Mirror's Edge and its slowdown mechanic for unlicensed copies, on the other hand, are self-contained, at much less risk to break a system, and usually end up much better-accepted, especially since they've been using in-game DRM tricks since even the NES and SNES age. Cutting the game short or deliberately glitching it because it's pirated is a pretty clever way to waste the time of the pirates, because time and effort is the one thing they can't get back.
Nothing quite like denying a person their accomplishment and letting them know they've wasted their time to frustrate or emotionally crush them.
So this is a fake topic? Microsoft isn't that big of an idiot to bring it back?Neverhoodian said:
Confirmed for not going to 4chan, both /v/ and /g/ strongly dislike this kind of DRM.mad825 said:
If I'm not mistaken, you would still need to download the game to your friend's machine, would you not? It seems easier and quicker to me to just bring your disc and put it in the console and begin playing. This argument FOR the original Xbox's plan seems to ignore the fact that it is as easy or easier to bring the disc along with you. No download time, no delay.
Also to speak to the original poster's statement: I still rent games. We have a video store nearby where I rent a game that I am not certain I want to buy or one that I cannot purchase yet but would like to experience (even if it is only for a weekend). I've ended up buying a couple of games because I enjoyed them when I rented them. A sale that the company might not have had otherwise. The inability to rent (and therefore try) a game would result in my purchasing far fewer games than I might otherwise.
Also to speak to the original poster's statement: I still rent games. We have a video store nearby where I rent a game that I am not certain I want to buy or one that I cannot purchase yet but would like to experience (even if it is only for a weekend). I've ended up buying a couple of games because I enjoyed them when I rented them. A sale that the company might not have had otherwise. The inability to rent (and therefore try) a game would result in my purchasing far fewer games than I might otherwise.
I have bought 4 PS3's over the course of its life span and I have downloaded games I bought through the PSN on all 4
and you know what else PS3, has no DRM and I was still able to download my PSN games on any PS3 as long as I properly signed in to my account. Between a group of friends we all had each others accounts and were able to share games, dlc's, and whatever else we would buy through the PSN. WITHOUT DRM!!!!
also you're probably a fellow /v/irgin but I guess you didn't get the memo, we're not raiding the escapist this year. Especially when both Microsoft and Sony are launching new consoles with their own forums
also Cabella's Dangerous Hunt on the Mii Verse is where most of us are right now... so yeah, a raid doesn't work on your own
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and you know what else PS3, has no DRM and I was still able to download my PSN games on any PS3 as long as I properly signed in to my account. Between a group of friends we all had each others accounts and were able to share games, dlc's, and whatever else we would buy through the PSN. WITHOUT DRM!!!!
also you're probably a fellow /v/irgin but I guess you didn't get the memo, we're not raiding the escapist this year. Especially when both Microsoft and Sony are launching new consoles with their own forums
also Cabella's Dangerous Hunt on the Mii Verse is where most of us are right now... so yeah, a raid doesn't work on your own
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PS your avatar sucks!
Having the DRM back would mean an always online thing or at least having the xbone call home to let you play games. No thank you. I still think that needing xbox live gold to use it for netflix and other things is absolutely retarded. Very anti consumer. It's a great device, just not too fond of the restrictions on it.
How do you use steam and say it's the same thing as the XBONE DRM? You have no clue what you're talking about, at all.
That whole amazing game sharing thing? It was highly understated that publishers CONTROL that feature, so if they only wanted a 45 minute demo or just demo that's all you could share and that's it.
So that means if you and your brother want to play a the same game you bought and he has a separate account he may not at all be able to play it despite having the disc! Some games don't have more than one save so think about that one then yeah?
The HUGE difference between steam DRM and XBONE DRM is 75% off on sales and NOTHING OFF EVER, and saying "they could have sales" doesn't factor in because it's not certain and there's been nothing said on it.
There is no amount of marketing that will cover the difference between noninvasive DRM and what XBONE has
That whole amazing game sharing thing? It was highly understated that publishers CONTROL that feature, so if they only wanted a 45 minute demo or just demo that's all you could share and that's it.
So that means if you and your brother want to play a the same game you bought and he has a separate account he may not at all be able to play it despite having the disc! Some games don't have more than one save so think about that one then yeah?
The HUGE difference between steam DRM and XBONE DRM is 75% off on sales and NOTHING OFF EVER, and saying "they could have sales" doesn't factor in because it's not certain and there's been nothing said on it.
There is no amount of marketing that will cover the difference between noninvasive DRM and what XBONE has
I find it amusing that people are assuming that Xbox one would be like steam just because they were going all digital. There is absolutely no proof that it would be that way and not just a system where you need to be online to use. As for a console steam we already have something like that, Playstation plus. I get access to a lot of free games like gravity rush, wipeout 2048, Saints row the third, Hitman absolution, etc. Also they have sales up to 75% off. If anyone I would trust Sony to eventually turn more like steam since they show signs of it already and isn't just blind speculation.
I doubt s/he's a Microsoft's shill. The tone isn't to convince, but to provoke and annoy.IceForce said:
Nevermind that it is deliberately invoking overwhelmingly negative press that isn't even relevant anymore, following "Microsoft's 180" on the matter.
The topic title is a complete lie, the poll serves no purpose to the actual subject, the OP has no real argument and is only an "entitlement" away from hitting provocative buzzword bingo.
I'm calling for the topic to be locked on the grounds that it has no real discussion merit.
Dear sir I kindly suggest you take the bullshit you are peddling on down the road to another house more receptive of it. If the Escapist was a real neighborhood you'd be getting bottles tossed at your head until you stopped spouting lunacy in the streets and made your way down the road.
