Poll: Yet another gun thread!

[Canid117]

I'm surprised no-one's suggested the H&K 416 yet, it has an immediately recognisable design, it's remarkably durable and has already been adopted by America's 1st SFOD-D.

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But is it enough of an improvement to justify replacing the M-16?

 

[Psycho Cat Industries]

Well,if you don't mind my asking,why would you replace a perfectly working system with something already in existence that in all honesty hasn't replaced it for a reason or two?Look to the future.I think our little service rifle has a ways before any current rifle replaces it.

 

[toastmaster2k8]

My vote would be for the Remmington ACR.

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Why?

Meh. Not a gun guy. Just like the ACR.

CoD...

 

[Scolar Visari]

The HK416. One of the most durable rifles I have ever seen. They left it in both sand and water for days during tests and a after a quick shake it can fire again.

This, because Germans are just known for making the best shit out there.

Because H&K is known for making overpriced pieces of crap. Seriously, if I had a nickel for every time someone claimed H&K to be the end all best of all, I might be able to afford one of their products. They've been riding the MP5 wave forever, and people have begun to realize that not only their products but their customer service are sub-par. Read my above post about H&K 416s in Denmark for an example of that "Quality German Engineering".

 

[KaosuHamoni]

the weapons of the german project "IdZ" ("Infantryman of the future")
the g36

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the mp7 for close quarter combat

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the g22 and the g82 for sniping

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the km2000 knife

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I disagree with almost all of those, but most notably the Sniper's rifles, and the knife.

I say the Accuracy International AW50

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And the Blackhawk Tatang

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[KaosuHamoni]

This video pretty much sums it up.
Recoil? Low to mid. High Ammo Cap mag, massive RoF, highly adaptable to any situation, And did you know you can use a special sight with the option grenade launcher?
It accually uses a laser range finder to measure the distance between you and your target, and then tells you if you have to raise or lower the weapon.
Its extreamly light, very compact because of its bullpup design, and it fires the 5.56.

Its an amazing weapon, developed for one reason.

TO LUK T0TILLY BAD-AZZ IN VIDYA GAM3Z!!

It's also horrifically inaccurate, and has a huge spread, due to the tiny barrel, and jams regularly. It shares these problems with the FAMAS.

 

[Tiewing]

I'm surprised no-one's suggested the H&K 416 yet, it has an immediately recognisable design, it's remarkably durable and has already been adopted by America's 1st SFOD-D.

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Yah this is pretty much it right here. More of an upgrade to the current M-16 family but I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see this become a larger scale replacement in the near future.

Since a lot of the more notable contenders have been kind of just pushed to the side for other uses or have just been thrown in and out of testing, the real replacement might have yet to be developed.

The H&K 416 might just be more of a temp though, if I had to put my money on something else I would go with the SCAR-L(MK-16 Mod 0). Modularity seems to the name of the game these days. Not to say the SCAR is the only one that can provide that though.

 

[RheynbowDash]

My vote would be for the Remmington ACR.

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Why?

Meh. Not a gun guy. Just like the ACR.

CoD...

Actually no. They showed the ACR on one of those future weapon shows.

 

[manaman]

Anything from these guys - Knight's Armament:

http://www.knightarmco.com/

Better bullets and weapons are out there but governments aren't willing to pay the high prices that third party manufactures are charging. It's like that 'Dragon Skin' body armour - it's miles better than the armour soldiers are issued with, but governments wont buy it for their armies because it's just too expensive.

According to this site (and future weapons as I recall) the sniper they have at the top of their catalog is being adopted.

Yeah the MR-110? I swear it used to be called something else. They also looked at the KAC PDW on Future Weapons. It uses a larger round than the standard 5.56 NATO round. and does more damage but has less recoil. Sounds like they should be adopting that too.

I highly doubt that the 6mm round has lower recoil than the 5.56. They are probably similar but I doubt it is actually lower. The problem with the 6mm round is that it is pretty exotic compared to much more common rounds like the 5.56 so logistics becomes a problem. There is one PDW that Magpul is working on that uses the 5.56 to alleviate these problems but it performs like a slightly shortened M4. I believe the barrel length is a choice between 10" and 12" while the standard M4 barrel is around 14.5". This means that it's stopping power drops off at range faster than assault rifles but then again it is a PDW and is meant to provide the power of an assault rifle with the size of a sub-machine gun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magpul_PDR

Well they're claiming 50% less recoil on their website. Obviously I have no idea if that's true, that's just what they're claiming. And obviously availability would be a factor. But if they really wanted to find better replacements for their current weapons, they'd probably have to look at new cartridges. You can only do so much with the 5.56 round.

Total energy isn't really what they are looking at. It's how the energy is distributed to the person firing the weapon, and how that is perceived by them. The total energy from firing the weapon could be greater, but distributed better seem like less recoil, or what is really important, easier to keep the rile on sight while firing.

 

[Wolfenbarg]

I do like the specs for the ACR. The ability to swap so many components to make it compatible for a plethora of different scenarios is pretty appealing. Also, the design of the bolt on it would make it prone to less jamming than the M16 variants. Despite the talk though, I agree with the OP's assessment that we won't be upgrading weapon systems any time soon. Currently the price points for the next gen assault rifles don't look very enticing compared to the absolute steals the government gets the M4 for.

One thing I would like to know is if they're going to stick with the 5.56 round. I've heard rumors that they want to switch to a deadlier round so we'd have lethality comparable to the 7.62 round, though that would defeat the weight purposes that caused us to switch from the .308 in the first place.

 

[Karma168]

either of these two option:

a gun that can switch between standard and support gunner roles quickly and easily

a gun that can under a minute be refitted to fire any type of ammo available atm (assuming you have the correct size barrel ofc)

both these weapon models exist somewhere, unfortunately i have no idea what they are called (saw them on future weapons) but are probably too expensive for mass production atm

 

[kouriichi]

This video pretty much sums it up.
Recoil? Low to mid. High Ammo Cap mag, massive RoF, highly adaptable to any situation, And did you know you can use a special sight with the option grenade launcher?
It accually uses a laser range finder to measure the distance between you and your target, and then tells you if you have to raise or lower the weapon.
Its extreamly light, very compact because of its bullpup design, and it fires the 5.56.

Its an amazing weapon, developed for one reason.

TO LUK T0TILLY BAD-AZZ IN VIDYA GAM3Z!!

It's also horrifically inaccurate, and has a huge spread, due to the tiny barrel, and jams regularly. It shares these problems with the FAMAS.

If you knew your guns, youd know thats not true.
Its barrel length is 440mm. Which is comperable to the M16 with its 500mm barrel.
Because its a bullpup design, it has a full length barrel.
And its bullet Spread is no worse then the M16s. Infact, when fired semiauto, both weapons are so closely matched, its nearly impossible to tell the difference.
And it doesnt jam oftin. Infact, it jams less oftin then the M16 in all but training range enviroments.

So yes, it jams more oftin, but only in places it doesnt matter. Because there are no open air mechanics on the F2000, it handels dust, dirt, snow, water, and mud much better then anyother assualt rifle.

It is also lighter then the m16 by nearly a pound. The f2000 weights in at roughly 7.95lbs, while the M16 weights in at 8.79lbs. And when you have to carry a weapon all day and night, for weeks at a time, every pound matters.

in short, the F2000 is an all around better weapon then the M16 for many reasons.

 

[Canid117]

SIG SG 553, otherwise known as the .552 Commando's big brother, and replacement

I swear, if someone says "your only saying that because of CoD", I will kill you. =_=

Which Cod game had Sig weapons in it? I don't recall seeing Swiss weapons in any Call of Duty game.

 

[JochemDude]

The Mk 14 EBR
I'll go by your list

-Portability
Yes, is not the lightest of weaponry but it it weight is very well balanced to my opinion.
-Ergonomics
The pistol grip is a huge improvement and it makes it a lot more comfy to carry around.
-Weight
It's weight is while reduced with some ultra light alloy, not as light is you might want but 5 kg isn't much for a rifle in it's league
-Stopping Power
7.62 what more is there to stay, more kick more lethality.
-Logistics
Most parts I are also used by other weaponry in several branches
-Recoil
This is where the stock and grip really help out, it's result is significantly less amount of kick. Yes for such a powerful rifle it has a really hand able recoil
-Accuracy
A bipod, option of what sights to use, telescoping stock, mainly used as a marksman rifle. Yes it's accurate
-Durability
It didn't brake down on me anyways, I found it with some proper maintenance and care, a very reliable rifle
-Range
My eyes aren't the best so my range with it isn't the greatest. but I've seen guys use it from 500-800 Meters (Yards whatever you get the point)
-Adaptability & Accessories
The rail is designed to leave a great deal of customization up to the user, so yes it's very versatile and fits almost any accessories
-Cost Per Unit
I'm not sure but if I have been informed right it should not even be that expensive

 

[Canid117]

The Mk 14 EBR

Well the EBR was never intended to replace the M-16 and never will because it can not put up a great enough volume of fire to compete with fully automatic assault weapons. It's ammo is also heavy and many people would much rather carry 500 rounds than 250. Not meant to be a mainstay weapon. It was always designed as more of a designated marksman rifle anyway.

 

[SteakHeart]

I saw the XM109 on another thread-

-and frankly, a grenade-firing .50 cal seems pretty awesome. Yeah, I know it's probably heavy, a bit clunky, and probably isn't that cost-efficient, but its concept and appearance are ridiculously cool.

 

[Sn1P3r M98]

Well, it's not an official gun, but an AK variant in .223 would be durable and still use the NATO cartridges...

But I've got a soft spot for the ol' AK. The SCAR is probably a great choice, and SOCOM approves, seeing as they adopted the L and H variants back in April 2010.

 

[Sn1P3r M98]

My vote would be for the Remmington ACR.

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Not to burst your bubble, but I've held one, and they're heavy as hell (I'd guess about 8.5 pounds, can't be arsed to look it up). The bolt is pretty messed up to be honest, it gets stuck easy. Not to mention Remington had to recall a load of them for firing in 2 shot bursts when on semi auto.

But anyways, with some work it could be a great weapon. Also, sorry for the rant.

 

[Stoic raptor]

SIG SG 553, otherwise known as the .552 Commando's big brother, and replacement

I swear, if someone says "your only saying that because of CoD", I will kill you. =_=

Your only saying that because of Counter-Strike.

Please dont kill me

 

[Shock and Awe]

HK416, bar none. its accurate, easily adapted to by servicemen accustomed to the M-16/M-4, and it is incredibly reliable.