Poll: Your opinion, on...ILLEGAL DOWNLOADING

[Internet Kraken]

Nobody wants to make a quality product if everyone just steals it. That's why I pay for almost everything I buy. So that the people who made those products willl continue making them.

 

[Dogstile]

piracy is fine. i would (would, not don't "do") pirate stuff that i wouldn't buy anyway, but am still curious about the product in general.

yeah sure, you can say "piracy is stealing, blah blah blah" but the fact is, most pirates simply don't care. the internet gives people something to hide behind, and they will do anything.

i do agree with the people who lose the discs for their games though. no reason to buy a second one. (although you could just crack it)

 

[roboosh]

I buy games because I think the gaming industry deserves money, more so than the film/music industries. I don't torrent games because I think it is selfish, not because it is illegal.

 

[Lord George]

"houlier than thou"? What do you mean?

As in a do-gooder who says "Your bad cuz u steel moneezz"

Like the people at the Westboro baptist church [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wvLEtRSCiE&feature=related]

I see.

My opinion is that downloading is not stealing at all. You are not taking something, only walking up to it and making a copy of it. Nothing is taken from those who produce it.

See I'd say that you are in fact taking the potential earnings from someone, as if there was no way of pirating a certain item you may have brought it legally and you are therefore actually stealing profit.

I myself have no problem with people who pirate its just those who try and justify it, you are stealing and it is illegal, you could really be hurting someone's cash flow out there, I myself have no morals however so its not a problem for me.

Piracy is not stealing. Saying it is does not make it so. Piracy is illegal copying. If you copy a book, you did not steal it. The original is sitting right there. If you copy a movie, you did not steal it. The original movie is right there. Nobody has been deprived of their movie or book.

If you would support copying a movie, copying a book or downloading a song, you have no business telling someone they are in the wrong for doing the EXACT SAME THING, only with a game. There's no difference.

When I steal your TV, I am giving myself a TV and you are losing one. When I copy the design specs and build a TV that looks and works exactly like yours, your TV is still there.

Just because somebody MIGHT buy a game and now they MIGHT not because of piracy doesn't mean it's 100% certain the game devs lost money. People will take all kinds of stuff for free that they wouldn't pay for in real life.

Also, what's with this double standard business? It's stealing and that's bad, but it's okay for you to do because you have no morals? I really doubt that.

Avykins has it right here. Piracy discussions just give people a chance to inflate their own egos. I've played emulated games, and I've even bought games I've played on emulator that I wouldn't have payed for if I hadn't played them first. I don't justify it, but I'm tired of people acting sanctimonious about this issue when there's a lot more to consider, like how any game that isn't sold new anymore is a game the developers don't make money off of anyway. And how SecuRom and the like can wreck your computer. Or maybe some people just don't like malware in their computer.

Hmm I think my main point was I don't like people trying to make it out like there not really doing anything wrong, while there are many people out there who will only pirate an item and would never buy it there are also many more who would legally buy the song/dvd/game if it was not quicker/easier/cheaper to simply torrent it and therefore its a lack of earning for many people. I just hate people who hide behind flimsy excuses like "freedom of information" and "hurting the big bad evil companies" when they pirate things, you might as well just say "I'm a cheap git" which I will happily admit to being myself.

 

[CptCamoPants]

You can't use eBay/Amazon if you're under 18 or don't have the right credit cards, which some people don't

 

[GhostKnifeFish]

I just buy the CD. I never got into downloading.

 

[Akai Shizuku]

"houlier than thou"? What do you mean?

As in a do-gooder who says "Your bad cuz u steel moneezz"

Like the people at the Westboro baptist church [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wvLEtRSCiE&feature=related]

I see.

My opinion is that downloading is not stealing at all. You are not taking something, only walking up to it and making a copy of it. Nothing is taken from those who produce it.

See I'd say that you are in fact taking the potential earnings from someone, as if there was no way of pirating a certain item you may have brought it legally and you are therefore actually stealing profit.

I myself have no problem with people who pirate its just those who try and justify it, you are stealing and it is illegal, you could really be hurting someone's cash flow out there, I myself have no morals however so its not a problem for me.

Piracy is not stealing. Saying it is does not make it so. Piracy is illegal copying. If you copy a book, you did not steal it. The original is sitting right there. If you copy a movie, you did not steal it. The original movie is right there. Nobody has been deprived of their movie or book.

If you would support copying a movie, copying a book or downloading a song, you have no business telling someone they are in the wrong for doing the EXACT SAME THING, only with a game. There's no difference.

When I steal your TV, I am giving myself a TV and you are losing one. When I copy the design specs and build a TV that looks and works exactly like yours, your TV is still there.

Just because somebody MIGHT buy a game and now they MIGHT not because of piracy doesn't mean it's 100% certain the game devs lost money. People will take all kinds of stuff for free that they wouldn't pay for in real life.

Also, what's with this double standard business? It's stealing and that's bad, but it's okay for you to do because you have no morals? I really doubt that.

Avykins has it right here. Piracy discussions just give people a chance to inflate their own egos. I've played emulated games, and I've even bought games I've played on emulator that I wouldn't have payed for if I hadn't played them first. I don't justify it, but I'm tired of people acting sanctimonious about this issue when there's a lot more to consider, like how any game that isn't sold new anymore is a game the developers don't make money off of anyway. And how SecuRom and the like can wreck your computer. Or maybe some people just don't like malware in their computer.

Hmm I think my main point was I don't like people trying to make it out like there not really doing anything wrong, while there are many people out there who will only pirate an item and would never buy it there are also many more who would legally buy the song/dvd/game if it was not quicker/easier/cheaper to simply torrent it and therefore its a lack of earning for many people. I just hate people who hide behind flimsy excuses like "freedom of information" and "hurting the big bad evil companies" when they pirate things, you might as well just say "I'm a cheap git" which I will happily admit to being myself.

I don't really care about hurting the companies, or indeed, anything to do with money. However, I would pay for something if I...

A) Had the money
and B) decided it was really awesome and they deserved it.

But due to the vast absence of A and the widespread absence of B, to the torrents I go...