Poll: Your opinions on war.

[Healey]

Edit: My explanation was stupid.
Anyway, I also think war is often a catalyst for change. Think of all the technological, sociological, political, etc., that we only developed for an original use in warfare. Thus, I think war, whilst not always being entirely necessary for one reason or another, is essential for the development of humanity.

 

[dekkarax]

Change (for better or worse) does not happen without conflict; without war, human civilisation would stagnate, and eventually collapse.

 

[Ursus Astrorum]

Weapons are instruments of misfortune, something the gentleman does not use. If force is necessary, it is best to use it with reserve. If you win, you must not be proud, because being proud would mean that you enjoy killing; those who enjoy killing do not succeed in the world.

During inauspicious events, the right side of the meeting is honored. During auspicious events, the left is honored. Seating the major general on the right and the lieutenant general on the left in times of war demonstrates that war is an inauspicious event.

Killing should be viewed with sorrow, and the dead should be grieved. Even a victory should be treated as a funeral.

 

[stickadtroja]

war is the most primitive and ineffective way to solve conflicts. it's a crime and an insult to whole mankind, beacuse we can accept it only when we forget that we are no different than the enemy, when we forget that we are all human. we don't have to fight, but we do beacuse we are scared. and when we are scared we forget.


one more quote to the list;
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace."

 

[TheDean]

I believe sincerely in option #2.

To make society sound, to ensure that people understand what is right and wrong, war must be permitted to take away those lesser values a society determines to be right and justified.

See, i totally disagree with everything you just said. No one has ther right to "ensure" other people are folowing their beliefs ad doing things their way. Leave everyone to do what they want. We shouldn't even have a govt never mind war

 

[J-Man]

"Every war is the result of a difference of opinion. Maybe the biggest questions can only be answered by the greatest of conflicts."

 

[LewsTherin]

WAR! HOOO! HAA! GOOD GOD!.....sorry about that.

Anyway, killing people is impolite in the extreme, so I would advise against it, especially on the grand scale scale. But sometimes, it comes to a point where the ball can't stop rolling.

The above quote is a good one.

Weapons are instruments of misfortune, something the gentleman does not use. If force is necessary, it is best to use it with reserve. If you win, you must not be proud, because being proud would mean that you enjoy killing; those who enjoy killing do not succeed in the world.

During inauspicious events, the right side of the meeting is honored. During inauspicious events, the left is honored. Seating the major general on the right and the lieutenant general on the left in times of war demonstrates that war is an inauspicious event.

Killing should be viewed with sorrow, and the dead should be grieved. Even a victory should be treated as a funeral.

 

[Vampiric Puppet]

I think there are justifiable offences, but unfortunately some Wars these days aren't always thought through or don't have backup plans (at least not as far as I can tell).

If you're going to invade a country fine, but at least have the means and the will to rebuild it afterwards. and Healey is right, it is a catalyst for change. I'm going to be dangerous here and give an example: IF Zimbabwe was invaded and Mugabe was removed from power that would probably be a good thing, as long as whoever invades is willing to stick around afterwards and rebuild the country to become something useful and a place where the general population can thrive. That's my thought anyway.

 

[RebelRising]

While there are certain wars in which the benefits outweigh the costs, most especially World War II, though the US would have most definitely sided with the Third Reich had Britain been defeated.

But I am something of an isolationist these days, given all these inane, resource-guzzling conflicts that we always seem to get embroiled in these days. I say:

"No more proxy wars for Israel!"

We can't afford to keep protecting Israel at the cost of our twin towers and soldiers. There's simply nothing we can get out of those wars that keep the Israel Lobby thriving in Washington and the best initiative the USA could take is to leave the Middle East to destroy itself.

 

[Kyouran]

Registered just to throw my two cents in here, and those two cents are "The options are pointless as presented" and "This thread is pointless as presented."

The options are pointless as presented because they give the impression that to believe one of them is correct, you must believe it is the -only- correct option. They are, top to bottom:
- An opinion on the definition of war (as not peace)
- An opinion on the usefulness of war (as necessary for peace)
- An opinion on the morality of war (in self defense only)
- Another opinion on the morality of war (if assumed to have meant to be written "War is justifiable for some offenses")
- An opinion on the technique of war (quickly)
- Another opinion on the morality of war (never the moral choice)
- A restatement of the immediate above.

So that's six choices, not seven, because #6 and #7 are duplicates, and only three of them are mutually exclusive. Not only that, but one of them, #4, is an 'other' clause, bringing the choices to: War is moral A) never, B) in self-defense, C) some of the time. War is best done quickly (true/false). War is not peace (true/false). War brings peace (true/false). You would need an essay to answer all four at once.

Also, this thread is pointless as presented because it is, in four words, preaching to the choir. Show me one person who reads this thread that honestly believes "I want what you have" or "I want you to die" is justifiable cause for violence. Better yet, show me one such person to whom you've shown this thread, and subsequently converted away from such beliefs.

And while we're at it, I'm tired of people quoting Benjamin Franklin's idiocies. I have traded the liberty of stealing from my roommate for the security of him not stealing from me. No one, not even he, and especially not the fact he helped found the United States, can tell me that this simple fact marks both of us as fit only to be dirt poor. The phrase is only around because people propagandize it and expect his name to prop it up unquestioned, but by comparison, "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" stands on its own because it continues to prove itself as simply true.

 

[fluffylandmine]

"Starting a war can be one of the greatest shows that humanity is the most petty and selfish species, ending a war can be one of the greatest shows that humanity is the most humble and selfless species."

-Me

War is bad, we always know this. War is good, we always remember this.

-Me again

The universe has it's good and it's bad, how well we accept them and how we react to them is what makes us who we are today.

-This one is also mine.

 

[KissofKetchup]

The would sadistic darwinist would that wars are a good thing because they weed out the stupid, weak, and disabled. Not that it is a good thing but you could say that we the human race are stronger for it. If it weren't for war, I'd go so far as to say that the human race might even be extinct as crazy as it might sound. War teaches us how to defend ourselves wether it be from terrorists or a grizzly bear.

I'm not saying that war isn't a terrible thing just that it is part of survival.

 

[Datalord]

Anything that kills off some of the morons that inhabit this planet, (Not really)

Has anyone ever heard of St. Augustines Just War?
I think that with a revision to allow aiding another country against an agressor. With St. A's JW even the Iraq war is applicable if you consider 9-11 as an act of war

 

[Cpt_Oblivious]

To add to the quotes on the subject:

"Crazy, but that's how it goes
Millions of people, living as foes
Maybe it's not too late
To learn how to love
And forget how to hate"

-Ozzy Osbourne (Crazy Train)

I went for the second option as to see the glory of peace we muct first know the horrors of war.

 

[mosinmatt]

Now. I think we should take a more neutral stance on the world. But you see. When we go police other countries. Hippies and Euros whine "STOP POLICING THE WORLD!"
When we leave other countries alone, we are "EVIL PEOPLE NOT HELPING PEOPLE!". We americans just cant win. We are blamed for everything.
That's why I say we should give a finger to the rest of the world and tell them to police themselves.
Now. I think war can be a great thing for the economy. But war isnt paying to rebuild a country....

 

[Hunde Des Krieg]

There will always be war as long as there are separate ideals, or groups of people that both want the same resources. But think of all we have gained from war. All those devices we have made from devices of war into tools to simplify our lives, radar into microwaves, intel processing calculators into modern computers. War is a catalyst that humanity needs in a way. But between every war there is peace, a peace that we all must embrace, a peace we all must remember.

 

[Lord George]

Now. I think we should take a more neutral stance on the world. But you see. When we go police other countries. Hippies and Euros whine "STOP POLICING THE WORLD!"
When we leave other countries alone, we are "EVIL PEOPLE NOT HELPING PEOPLE!". We americans just cant win. We are blamed for everything.
That's why I say we should give a finger to the rest of the world and tell them to police themselves.
Now. I think war can be a great thing for the economy. But war isnt paying to rebuild a country....

You do realise most country's do want America to just piss off, I don't think anyone would mind if you stopped trying to "rule", sorry police the world. But considering all of Americas power comes from profiting from war, thats not going to happen any time soon. No offensive to Americans but rather to their government