Poll: Your True Gender [Expanded]

[scorptatious]

I am 100% man! And I only do manly things!!

(Goes to listen to carameldansen)

 

[Kwaren]

Both of my brains agree that I am a man.

 

[Daedalus1942]

Same as hermaphrodite is usually offensive to the intersex community.

Okay, I can kinda deal with the pointless negative inflection on Shemale, but 'hermaphrodite' is offensive how now? It's a word derived from Greek mythos (Hermes and Aphrodite, to be particular) and it literally means To posses the characteristics of both a male and a female at the same time. It has been used for centuries to describe genetic 'intersex' things (generic particle, don't start on me using the word things) in the natural world. Snails for example are Hermaphroditic, that is to say that they posses both male and female genitalia, ergo what you'd call intersex (if I'm not mistaken).
Please explain why the 'intersex' community hates a word that has been in use for so long and is possibly the most benign, unbiased* descriptor ever used for them?

*Even 'intersex' holds some bias as a word used in commonplace instead of a word deemed to be offensive (for no apparent reason) and henceforth is more biased than hermaphroditic.

Well, my understanding is simply that it's inaccurate. I didn't mean to say "hate" but I suppose "offensive" implies that... so maybe I was a bit inaccurate on my part! Sorry! My knowledge is primarily from intersex friends, educators & literature from intersex education organizations. Might not be true for you, your community or intersex friends!

You are totally correct that snails are hermaphrodites... which speaks to why many members of the intersex community don't use it to describe themselves. It's very rare, if not entirely unheard of, for a human to have both male and female genitals fully formed and in working order, like a snail or like the child of Hermes & Aphrodite! Someone who is intersex usually has a variation of some combination but almost never what one (rightly, biologically & mythologically) would recognize as hermaphroditic. It's just biologically, medically and physically inaccurate. Hopefully not something that needs arguing. I was just trying to help someone who seemed to want to be an ally to start learning good beginner ways to act as an ally! I say hooray to that and no offense intended! Hopefully no hard feelings!

According to Gina Wilson of the Organisation Intersex International, there has never been a true hermaphrodite (that is able to procreate with ones self due to male and female genitalia fully functional and developed) recorded in the history of the human race.
Intersex individual are intersexed, they're not hermaphrodites, they aren't even pseudo-hermaphrodites, just intersexed.
That being said there are many hermaphroditic species in the animal kingdom. No human has ever been recorded as a true hermaphrodite though. intersex people were originally classed as hermaphrodites but it was an incorrect term and was popular around the 80's.
that word has since been discarded in favour of Is or intersex, and I have several Is friends who are perfectly fine with that classification.
-Tabs<3-

Shoot, after reading that, I can't believe I forgot to add Intersexed to the poll. I feel like it might be to late, now that the numbers are underway.

in all honesty, there's probably not alot of intersex individuals on the escapist.
that, or there could be heaps that just don't know they are even intersexed. Alot of people live their lives without knowing until they hneed major surgery for something and the doctors cut them open and find remnants of another sex.
-Tabs<3-

 

[burningdragoon]

Man and I have natural dude-parts. Not to brag or anything, but I've been told by several friends, including lady-friends and gay dude-friends, that I am one of the least feminine person they know. So... I guess I'm wired up pretty well.

Gotta take a lot of courage (I'd say balls, but I might be the only one who'd be amused) to go through what trans people choose to go through though. I can respect that.

 

[Ellen of Kitten]

Same as hermaphrodite is usually offensive to the intersex community.

Okay, I can kinda deal with the pointless negative inflection on Shemale, but 'hermaphrodite' is offensive how now? It's a word derived from Greek mythos (Hermes and Aphrodite, to be particular) and it literally means To posses the characteristics of both a male and a female at the same time. It has been used for centuries to describe genetic 'intersex' things (generic particle, don't start on me using the word things) in the natural world. Snails for example are Hermaphroditic, that is to say that they posses both male and female genitalia, ergo what you'd call intersex (if I'm not mistaken).
Please explain why the 'intersex' community hates a word that has been in use for so long and is possibly the most benign, unbiased* descriptor ever used for them?

*Even 'intersex' holds some bias as a word used in commonplace instead of a word deemed to be offensive (for no apparent reason) and henceforth is more biased than hermaphroditic.

Well, my understanding is simply that it's inaccurate. I didn't mean to say "hate" but I suppose "offensive" implies that... so maybe I was a bit inaccurate on my part! Sorry! My knowledge is primarily from intersex friends, educators & literature from intersex education organizations. Might not be true for you, your community or intersex friends!

You are totally correct that snails are hermaphrodites... which speaks to why many members of the intersex community don't use it to describe themselves. It's very rare, if not entirely unheard of, for a human to have both male and female genitals fully formed and in working order, like a snail or like the child of Hermes & Aphrodite! Someone who is intersex usually has a variation of some combination but almost never what one (rightly, biologically & mythologically) would recognize as hermaphroditic. It's just biologically, medically and physically inaccurate. Hopefully not something that needs arguing. I was just trying to help someone who seemed to want to be an ally to start learning good beginner ways to act as an ally! I say hooray to that and no offense intended! Hopefully no hard feelings!

According to Gina Wilson of the Organisation Intersex International, there has never been a true hermaphrodite (that is able to procreate with ones self due to male and female genitalia fully functional and developed) recorded in the history of the human race.
Intersex individual are intersexed, they're not hermaphrodites, they aren't even pseudo-hermaphrodites, just intersexed.
That being said there are many hermaphroditic species in the animal kingdom. No human has ever been recorded as a true hermaphrodite though. intersex people were originally classed as hermaphrodites but it was an incorrect term and was popular around the 80's.
that word has since been discarded in favour of Is or intersex, and I have several Is friends who are perfectly fine with that classification.
-Tabs<3-

Shoot, after reading that, I can't believe I forgot to add Intersexed to the poll. I feel like it might be to late, now that the numbers are underway.

in all honesty, there's probably not alot of intersex individuals on the escapist.
that, or there could be heaps that just don't know they are even intersexed. Alot of people live their lives without knowing until they hneed major surgery for something and the doctors cut them open and find remnants of another sex.
-Tabs<3-

I feel like it should have been in there anyway. The number of f2m's in the poll are still single digit, but I don't want to forget about them either. I hope that no Intersexed person has voted already and missed the boat. (For Science!)

 

[Ellen of Kitten]

damn, doubled that post.

 

[Skorpyo]

Physically complete Male, asexual identification.

No drive or attraction, in other words.

 

[joshuaayt]

Biologically male, identify only with female gender. Not that anyone knows that; in Australia (the Sutherland Shire, particularly) it's best to keep such things to yourself.

...Still going to dress up pretty for Muck Up day, see if I don't!

 

[likalaruku]

Well, there goes last years "40% of The Escapist community is female" talk.

 

[dancinginfernal]

I
AM
KROGAAAN

No, I'm a dude actually. Not the hairiest dude in the world, but a dude.

 

[spartan1077]

Sometimes I'd rather be a girl...but I'm a male through and through...wait
*checks*
yup, I'm a male

 

[SnipErlite]

83% male. Why am I not surprised. As for me, 100% male.

Ehh, here's some awesome:

 

[p3t3r]

why is there so much threads about this i mean common does every gay bi or transsexual need there own thread or something. we need a new subforum. anyways i'm male and planing to stay that way

 

[Ellen of Kitten]

why is there so much threads about this i mean common does every gay bi or transsexual need there own thread or something. we need a new subforum. anyways i'm male and planing to stay that way

Some people spew threads because they can. Some don't read or search for threads before they create a thread on their topic. Others, like myself, are genuinely curious about these numbers, and no thread similar to it has been made so far. No gender thread has been so diverse in its questions to build these statistics.

Also, if you don't like it, don't read/post in it.

 

[Shock and Awe]

*grabs crotch*
*enjoys thoughts of guns and naked females*

I am quite sure I am male.

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

My ex-girlfriend is a trans M2F

That's interesting. I totally could not tolerate having an originally-male girlfriend, because I consider them male, even if they don't.

I kind of go on, if you feel like a female then you are a female. "Gender" is quite separate to physical "sex." And she was... um she hadn't had anything done. She was completely a guy. It was technically a homosexual relationship.

But her gender was female, so she was a female. That's how I see it, and I kinda hoped others would too. ...they didn't. It made me depressed. Like really, I suffer from depression now.

 

[Gigathrash]

I don't identify with the hyper stereotyped buff man male either. Doesn't mean I'm not a guy. I like being a man, having those cool (albeit hard to control) external genitalia and al that shiznit.
Can you clarify if you do or don't like being a human male (ignore for a moment the stereotypes or the genetic impulses that all humans are given to identity big and buff with male) for me, pretty please?

To be perfectly honest, I don't "like" being a male, but I don't not like it. It's less apathetic then it sounds, it's just that I fail to appreciate the male aspects of me. Then again, I don't think of myself as female either. In some terms, I do however appreciate being male, I've grown accustomed to the privileges afforded to my gender. Gender just isn't a defining characteristic for me.

 

[Daedalus1942]

Same as hermaphrodite is usually offensive to the intersex community.

Okay, I can kinda deal with the pointless negative inflection on Shemale, but 'hermaphrodite' is offensive how now? It's a word derived from Greek mythos (Hermes and Aphrodite, to be particular) and it literally means To posses the characteristics of both a male and a female at the same time. It has been used for centuries to describe genetic 'intersex' things (generic particle, don't start on me using the word things) in the natural world. Snails for example are Hermaphroditic, that is to say that they posses both male and female genitalia, ergo what you'd call intersex (if I'm not mistaken).
Please explain why the 'intersex' community hates a word that has been in use for so long and is possibly the most benign, unbiased* descriptor ever used for them?

*Even 'intersex' holds some bias as a word used in commonplace instead of a word deemed to be offensive (for no apparent reason) and henceforth is more biased than hermaphroditic.

Well, my understanding is simply that it's inaccurate. I didn't mean to say "hate" but I suppose "offensive" implies that... so maybe I was a bit inaccurate on my part! Sorry! My knowledge is primarily from intersex friends, educators & literature from intersex education organizations. Might not be true for you, your community or intersex friends!

You are totally correct that snails are hermaphrodites... which speaks to why many members of the intersex community don't use it to describe themselves. It's very rare, if not entirely unheard of, for a human to have both male and female genitals fully formed and in working order, like a snail or like the child of Hermes & Aphrodite! Someone who is intersex usually has a variation of some combination but almost never what one (rightly, biologically & mythologically) would recognize as hermaphroditic. It's just biologically, medically and physically inaccurate. Hopefully not something that needs arguing. I was just trying to help someone who seemed to want to be an ally to start learning good beginner ways to act as an ally! I say hooray to that and no offense intended! Hopefully no hard feelings!

According to Gina Wilson of the Organisation Intersex International, there has never been a true hermaphrodite (that is able to procreate with ones self due to male and female genitalia fully functional and developed) recorded in the history of the human race.
Intersex individual are intersexed, they're not hermaphrodites, they aren't even pseudo-hermaphrodites, just intersexed.
That being said there are many hermaphroditic species in the animal kingdom. No human has ever been recorded as a true hermaphrodite though. intersex people were originally classed as hermaphrodites but it was an incorrect term and was popular around the 80's.
that word has since been discarded in favour of Is or intersex, and I have several Is friends who are perfectly fine with that classification.
-Tabs<3-

Shoot, after reading that, I can't believe I forgot to add Intersexed to the poll. I feel like it might be to late, now that the numbers are underway.

in all honesty, there's probably not alot of intersex individuals on the escapist.
that, or there could be heaps that just don't know they are even intersexed. Alot of people live their lives without knowing until they hneed major surgery for something and the doctors cut them open and find remnants of another sex.
-Tabs<3-

I feel like it should have been in there anyway. The number of f2m's in the poll are still single digit, but I don't want to forget about them either. I hope that no Intersexed person has voted already and missed the boat. (For Science!)

Fair enough. It's admirable that you care about it. Most of the world doesn't sadly. I sometimes think intersexed people have it much worse than girls like me. At least I can eventually become binary.
It must be hard to not fit into people's hereonormative views.
-Tabs<3-

 

[Daedalus1942]

My ex-girlfriend is a trans M2F

That's interesting. I totally could not tolerate having an originally-male girlfriend, because I consider them male, even if they don't.

People like you are one of the reasons our lives are so difficult.
I'm not male, I've never been male, I will never be male.
I have a musculine body, granted but I'm working to change that.
I am a female, whether or not someone like yourself refuses to acknowledge that, but I'll tell you what.
If you ever call a transwoman anything other than she, she will be quite likely to kick you square in the balls.
You'd deserve it too...
How dare you...?

 

[Ravek]

People like you are one of the reasons our lives are so difficult.

Nonsense, I don't make anyone's life difficult.

I'm not male, I've never been male, I will never be male.
I have a musculine body, granted but I'm working to change that.
I am a female, whether or not someone like yourself refuses to acknowledge that, but I'll tell you what.
If you ever call a transwoman anything other than she, she will be quite likely to kick you square in the balls.
You'd deserve it too...
How dare you...?

I don't mind in the least what gender you consider yourself. If I met transgender people, I wouldn't mind referring to them as whatever pronoun they prefer. There's no value in making people feel uncomfortable.

But I wouldn't date you. I hope you'd respect that, because how can you expect me to respect your sexuality choices, if you don't respect mine?

Also, please don't be so rude to me.