Poll: Zeitgeist Movement
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A quick scan of Wikipedia gives me this:
They are Singularitans who want the Singularity rather sooner than later...
While I am transhumanist, their general views seem... Odd. I want the Singularity too, but I am not zealous about it and I think that the free market might be kinda okay if it is regulated by the government.
The democratic process is also okay, and instead of circumventing the people's opinion for their own good (wait, didn't already try this?) one should educate the masses!
They are Singularitans who want the Singularity rather sooner than later...
While I am transhumanist, their general views seem... Odd. I want the Singularity too, but I am not zealous about it and I think that the free market might be kinda okay if it is regulated by the government.
The democratic process is also okay, and instead of circumventing the people's opinion for their own good (wait, didn't already try this?) one should educate the masses!
I think it has something to do with basically letting machines control our lives and us living comfortably without the need to make any decisions, like the apple executive said a few days ago.believer258 said:
I've heard about it and it sounds absolutely fucking stupid. I also heard the movies were absolutely terrible. Further research has backed this up.
Aye, but at the moment there is already a large amount of sheeple, slaves to either the government, a job or a debt.believer258 said:
You'd be surprised how narrow minded people are and how they allow others to make their decisions for them, even if most are made through subliminal messages.
The underlying notions of the Zeitgeist films have some degree of merit. Living as one community, sharing the planets resources responsibly, moving away from the virulent system of money. However there are some flaws and some large gaping holes in what is presented.
My biggest beef is that sure it states the obvious things "Money is bad", but offers little or no specifics on how exactly we move away from a monetary society. Constructive criticism is always welcome, criticism with no aim, or direction is well, pretty useless.
I like what it tries to say. I think this is something that kids should be shown actually. Our generations might not be able to visualize the steps needed to move toward that movement, but our children without or preconceived notions and prejudices might.
EDIT: also, I liked the original films explanation of how religions are formed and what the basis for religion is. However I cannot stand how it tries to devalidate religion as something useless and completely without merit, much like how the zealots of atheism try to convince anyone of any sort of faith.
My biggest beef is that sure it states the obvious things "Money is bad", but offers little or no specifics on how exactly we move away from a monetary society. Constructive criticism is always welcome, criticism with no aim, or direction is well, pretty useless.
I like what it tries to say. I think this is something that kids should be shown actually. Our generations might not be able to visualize the steps needed to move toward that movement, but our children without or preconceived notions and prejudices might.
EDIT: also, I liked the original films explanation of how religions are formed and what the basis for religion is. However I cannot stand how it tries to devalidate religion as something useless and completely without merit, much like how the zealots of atheism try to convince anyone of any sort of faith.
It is, in short, a group advocating a "resource based economy", which would distribute resources around the globe in cohesion with the prime nesecities of all human beings on the planet (provided the use of modern advanced technologies, the application of which are being hindered by the profit-orientated nature of human activity). This would bring about an increased level of social equality - the absence of which is seen to be the prime cause for much social distress we see in the world today, and have witnessed in the course of history (an era of privatisation, if you will). Combines a very behavioristic approach to human psychology (thus, changing human environment -> changes human psyche), critique of the ideological isolation and intellectual materialism of modern day social institutes, competitive nature of human interaction, and the realisation of the illusiveness of human distinctions. Advocates that humanity has reached the point (globalization/technologies/understandings) where many elements of our current system have completely lost their relevance. A very brief overview.
Furthermore, as one can transpire from the nature of the questions within the poll my aim is not to spark some huge ideological debate.
Furthermore, as one can transpire from the nature of the questions within the poll my aim is not to spark some huge ideological debate.
The conspiracies and ideals where both too romanticized. The ideals are just too big and will, most likely, eventually happen by their own pace. Conspiracies suffered from the same romanticing as some other conspiracy theories.
Personally I liked the Bible = calender part.
Personally I liked the Bible = calender part.
Yeah I think it presents an important notion we have to manage the planet better, but thing of it is that we can accomplish that without having to resort to socialism simply by reducing the global population back to a more sustainable level. Having less demand on the same amount of finite resources would have a much more positive effect than trying to eradicate the nature of greed within humanity.NotR said:
Exhibit A being the people who believe this or any version of this.TheIronRuler said:
If these "sheeple" are so common, why do I never meet any of them? I do meet people who aren't particularly interested in certain intellectual issues (and even then, they have been known to surprise me), but that doesn't make them sheep. I'm not in a position to critically examine the merits of seventeen different types of lawnmower or insurance plan, because I don't give a crap about lawnmowers or insurance plans.
The only people I've ever met who actually approach "sheeple" status are the so-called intellectual elites who have become incapable of critically examining their own ideas even after repeated failures. Instead, they go around complaining that everyone else is too dumb, illiterate, or simple-minded to put their OBVIOUSLY perfect ideas into practice.
I believe what you meant to say was it would be easier to do so.viranimus said:
"Greed" is essentially the continuous increase of the human sense of need, or the continued persistence of it. The sense of need is in deep correlation with the sense of conflict an individual has with the environment (example: I want an apple. I am without an apple within the environment in which i perceive myself to exist. My perceived identity within the environment is in conflict with the environment). On the other hand, one who is in harmony with the environment can be identified as the one who has no need (or has it satisfied). One of the neglected conflicts of the identity is the need of an identity to feel "validated" by the environment. The identity inherits certain elements of distinction and functions within the environment and can see itself within the environment only by recognizing these elements. Otherwise, the identity does not "exist" (or is "unperceiveable"). It is a common existential crisis of the mind. Hence, the needs are dependant on the distinctive elements and functions within the environment. Here it becomes only a question of ability (or technology) to change the environment.