Poll: Zombies Apocalypse: Could it happen?

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ninjajoeman

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solidstatemind said:
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LordNue said:
Because zombies aren't real. Lets say by chance one of those methods do ring true from that article. Lets go with Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease because it's the most likely of them all. It's a fatal disease so even if it were to become common enough to infect enough people to cause even a small outbreak (It currently affects one in every one million people so that's a lot of infection rates to go up, and the people it shows up in tend to be older then 40, most commonly being seniors so they're not likely to be very fast) they'd all die in less then a year, four months being the average if no one killed them.
So pretty much it'll just be an outbreak of seniors who'll probably just break their legs trying to run after anyone and then lay on the ground in a heap where they can be set ablaze. The comedy site states that a bite can transfer it, I'm not sure but what I've looked up states that blood transfers can so it's possible but again unlikely (And I Wouldn't count on it since I don't think human saliva contains proteins, but I may be wrong on this count) to infect someone.
Oh jesus. Let's NOT talk about CJD, okay? That shit is scary as fuck: although it won't turn you into a zombie, it'll turn your brain into a sponge and kill your ass dead, and that's it... and all it is is a protein folded the wrong way!

Regardless, BSE (bovine spongiform encephalopathy-- aka Mad Cow disease) and CJD illustrate why a zombie apocalypse could never happen: virii don't distinguish between different areas of the brain. They simply go 'cell type we like... YUM! Let's convert it into a factory to make more of us!' It doesn't matter if it's in the hippocampus or the brain stem... it's all neurons to the virus.

Look, Nanotechnology might be able to render a person into a controllable, seemingly mindless state, but the classic version of a zombie: ie.- a person who is dead and reanimates- will never happen, because dead tissue is decomposing from about five minutes after the blood stops flowing, and decomposing tissue cannot perform useful functions anymore. (Cell walls break down; mitochondria stop working; in the case of nerve and muscle cells: electrical impulses are no longer transmitted because there is no ionic potential... the whole system just STOPS upon death.)

But hey, cling to the nanobot version if you're dreaming about a nightmare future...
I have given up on "RISING FROM THE GRAVE" long ago. How is a human going to claw out of the box, and 6 feet of dirt?
Actually, the human musculature is capable of overcoming that obstacle, provided that the subject does not require air... and frankly, if we're discussing the possibility that neurons would fire and muscle fibers would contract after death, we may as well assume that oxygen isn't a necessity in this equation.

No, the real fear to me about BSE and CJD is that they are a death sentence. Seriously, even the Ebola virus is not 100% fatal. Transmissible spongiform encephalopathy diseases are. I am not even kidding in the slightest. You get that shit and you are dead. And what's worse is that you get a front-row seat to yourself losing your sanity as you die. My wife is a neurologist. The only time I've seen her cry is when she had to tell a patient with CJD that there was no hope, no cure. NONE. NOTHING. THAT HE WOULD SLOWLY LOSE HIS MIND AND THEN DIE.

I want y'all to think about that for just a moment before you return to your discussion of the zombie apocalypse...

Oh, and have a nice day! :)
I like you
 

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ucciolord1 said:
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4. Zombies aren't real.
*harrummph*
That's what you think. The slow-moving silhouettes clawing at my window beg to differ.
Break out the gasoline and miniguns!
In that case remind me to stay far far away from whereever you live
I'm your neighbor.
Only joking!
[sub]It's not that bad here.... it's just those damn zombies keep popping up out of their graves to do the Thriller dance...[/sub]
in that case your only solution is careful gardening. I recommend a layout like this:
That... that's BRILLIANT!!!!!
Now if only I could find an infectious theme song....
Where oh where could I find one of those....
[link]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N1_0SUGlDQ[/link]

your song sir
 

ucciolord1

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Acidwell said:
ucciolord1 said:
That... that's BRILLIANT!!!!!
Now if only I could find an infectious theme song....
Where oh where could I find one of those....
To be honest with you i know its not original but still alive would be the perfect taunt, if they understand it.
Yeah, I guess...
I wonder what a Portal Gun would do to Zombiez?
 

theironbat46

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solidstatemind said:
LordNue said:
We are not insects.

As for rabies, they're not actually mindless or do you not know much about rabies? It really, really fucks with your brain. You're delirious, hallucinating, paranoid and terrified.
And more on-point, you're not DEAD, which I believe is part of the criteria of being a 'zombie'.
THIS IS A MESSAGE TO EVERYONE: WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ZOMBIES IN RETROSPECT! NOT SLOW MOVING ZOMBIES! INFECTED, A VIRUS! 28 DAYS LATER, LEFT4DEAD! YOU CAN ALSO INVOLE SLOW MOVING ONES. SO NOW, THE POSSIBILITY OF A ZOMBIE VIRUS!
 

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ucciolord1 said:
Acidwell said:
ucciolord1 said:
That... that's BRILLIANT!!!!!
Now if only I could find an infectious theme song....
Where oh where could I find one of those....
To be honest with you i know its not original but still alive would be the perfect taunt, if they understand it.
Yeah, I guess...
I wonder what a Portal Gun would do to Zombiez?
Now thats an experiment i would love to watch
 

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LordNue said:
silentsentinel said:
LordNue said:
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LordNue said:
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LordNue said:
No, zombies will never happen not even with viruses. If you think it could you need to research viruses to do some learning. It's nothing but a fantasy.
Some species of wasp inject a virus into caterpillars (after injecting their eggs into them) that forces the caterpillars to protect the wasp larvae from enemies.

A species of worm infects a grasshopper and compels it to commit suicide by drowning.

A type of fungi burrows its head into the brains of ants, compelling them to seek higher ground so that it can explode out of its head and release its spores.

And what about rabies? A disease that turns people into mindless attackers, spreading infections through bites?
We are not insects.

As for rabies, they're not actually mindless or do you not know much about rabies? It really, really fucks with your brain. You're delirious, hallucinating, paranoid and terrified.
I know that. I wrote mindless because I'm lazy. It does often increase aggression, though.

And true, we're not insects, but that does not mean that a similar virus/parasite/fungi could arise and effect us. Of course, I'm not going around stockpiling weaponry and drawing escape plans. All I'm saying that if zombie's ever appear on the news, I won't be horribly surprised.

And my third point: if zombies ever arise, it won't be an apocalypse. Humans aren't as incompetent as movies make us out to be. So I agree with one part of your original post.
To expand on those fungi you were talking about. One theory is that they evolved as a way to protect the insect's jungle/forest environment from their overpopulation. The fungus infects them and kills a whole bunch of them then recedes for a while and when the populations starts to climb again it'll come out and kill some more. There's a similar type for grass hoppers and other such insects.
Really? That's cool. But does this mean that you accept the remote possibility that such a fungi/bacterium could evolve to infect humanity on some small scale?
Not really, it probably would have popped up already. It seems we've removed ourselves from the nature's evolutionary path a long time ago. Things don't evolve specifically to kill us really.
Well... I do think that we have removed ourselves from the typical evolutionary path, but I still think that nature could throw a curveball at us at any time. No species has ever been as adaptable as the human species, but we're not gods quite yet.

I was thinking more along the lines of one of those incredibly rare beneficial mutations randomly appearing in some strain of disease of species of fungi. It's an really long stretch, I know, but seeing as this is a zombie apocalypse thread long stretches are just another part of the program.
 

WolfThomas

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Think about it though, cost of a good crowbar = $20, cheapest insurance I've seen.

theironbat46 said:
http://www.cracked.com/article_15643_5-scientific-reasons-zombie-apocalypse-could-actually-happen.html You might wanna check this out. And stock pile on egg loaf.
Ninja'd damn it!
 

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Not necromantic "undead" zombies, but I think the idea of rabid crazies that ignore pain and eat human flesh isn't entirely impossible. A virus might work that way. Either way, I'll worry about it when it happens.
 

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Someone has been playing too much L4D. It won't happen. Its like 2012.
 

solidstatemind

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theironbat46 said:
solidstatemind said:
LordNue said:
We are not insects.

As for rabies, they're not actually mindless or do you not know much about rabies? It really, really fucks with your brain. You're delirious, hallucinating, paranoid and terrified.
And more on-point, you're not DEAD, which I believe is part of the criteria of being a 'zombie'.
THIS IS A MESSAGE TO EVERYONE: WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ZOMBIES IN RETROSPECT! NOT SLOW MOVING ZOMBIES! INFECTED, A VIRUS! 28 DAYS LATER, LEFT4DEAD! YOU CAN ALSO INVOLE SLOW MOVING ONES. SO NOW, THE POSSIBILITY OF A ZOMBIE VIRUS!
OK, to placate screamy here, as discussed above:
NO, there is no reason to believe that a virus would evolve that would be akin to the "Rage" virus in 28 Days Later/28 Weeks Later.

This is based upon two key points:
-Virii are not capable of selectively targeting cells. Everyone keeps using Rabies as an example, but the truth is the pathology of neurotropic virii involve incapacitation of the subject 100% of the time, because the virus in question cannot distinguish between the cells controlling higher cognitive functions (like thought or emotion) and the ones controlling basic physical function, like heartbeat and respiration. And that's because as far as the best scientists can tell, it's because there IS no biological difference between those cells.
-The second reason is very simple: Mankind in the current iteration has been around for about 200,000 years. If it were going to happen, it would've probably happened before now. Or do you really feel like you are the fulcrum upon which history depends, and the most significant happening in history was waiting for you to show up as a witness?

Seriously: get over it-- for all you whackos out there waiting for the Zombie Apocalypse, your best bet is nanotechnology, and even then, there are significant scientific advancements in cell differentiation that need to be made before it is even possible. But with stem cell research, who knows? (I kid; I kid)
 

Therumancer

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Okay kids, if you haven't read any Therumancer posts recently read this one:


I think the idea of a zombie outbreak is possible but not likely compared to many other things. I would not look towards a scientific cause for a lot of reasons, but an occult one. I'm not a deeply spiritual or superstitious person, but there is plenty of wierd stuff out there. Even scientists and people well grounded in reason have tendencies not to push their luck, and for all the "Reason" inherant in society there ARE laws preventing realtors from not informing people about houses with "a history" before buying them, and you'll notice most buildings do not have a 13th floor marked. Not to mention the fact that paranormal investigation shows are currently 'hip' and while they don't find much that is over the top, they do run into some wierd stuff.

A lot of religions include dead walking the earth as well, either as part of a specific event, or as a key element of the religion somehow. So basically unless your a total atheist there is a good chance your faith might include something providing for the possility as well. If any religion turns out to be correct, there is a pretty good chance it might involve something that could result in a zombie apocolypse or whatever. :p

So basically, it's not something I worry about, or suggest preparing for, but I suppose in the end it wouldn't totally shock me if it happened. I'm mostly a creature of reason but try and keep an open mind. I don't think there is anything incredible or supenatual out there in great numbers (the world is too boring as we all know), but on a lot of levels I hope I'm wrong. :p

As far as a zombie "apocolypse" goes, I'm not sure how apogolyptic it would be. Assuming that for whatever reason it went down similarly to the movies, irregardless of the cause, the biggest problem is of course going to be the initial apperance, outbreak, curse, or divine action that transforms the population and the people who die in the initial wave. After that I think it would get progressively easier to survive and deal with the problem and go downhill for the zombies, barring some kind of additional factors.

Even the best Zombie movies are contingent on a lot of bad assumptions. Like the idiot who lets the zombies into a fortified area, won't acknowlege a loved one is infected, or my personal favorite the old lady who let the zombies into the mall while trying to save her annoying furball dog in the video game "Dead Rising". Basically it seems oftentimes half the criseses in movies and such that make them exciting are contrived, simply because watching a bunch of people sit around read, books, play video games, and drink beer while keeping weapons nearby would get boring (and really that's pretty much what it would be like for a lot of people, a lot of time simply existing.... )

Oftentimes people decide to go on very profoundly about "What would you do if there were suddenly no grocery stores to get food in?" and stuff like that. Granted like most people I don't know much about farming or archaic crafts or whatever. On the other hand I don't nessicarly think things like that would be quite as nessicary as many people might think. For starters all of the stuff sitting around out there isn't going anywhere. Most Zombie Apocolypse scenarios involve people moving down empty streets, and finding all the stores and supplied areas empty, even if they had just woken up a few hours ago and watched their equally surprised next door neighbor get eaten or whatever. The bottom line is that if almost everyone is suddenly a Zombie, nobody would be looking this stuff. If people were grabbing the stuff and then getting killed or turning zombie, a lot of places wouldn't be empty, they would have stuff in them. The point here is that it just evaporates. What's more if there are enough survivors to strip supermarkets as well as entire towns, then were aren't going to be dealing with quite as big a population reduction as the genere generally applies, and it beggers disbelief to assume in any way shape or form that ALL of those people are going to be relatively useless in a pinch. The bigger the group, th emore specialist skills and such your going to find. Especially in the US where we have people with degrees and years of work experience who can wind up homeless on the street. Basically in most first world countries everyone is overeducated, and comparing education systems oftentimes becomes a P@ssing contest of the most extreme sort. The bottom line is that it's rare to find a person who is going to be totally useless in any situation, and frankly people DO learn things as time progresses and teach each other especially in crisis situations.

This also brings up the whole point that zombies are by definition not limitless. Contrary to Zombie movies, I am not buying that you could blow away a few hundred zombies in an area and see no signifigant reduction. There are only so many people around any given place, and just as humans are not infinite in number, neither would zombies be. Even in a major city you'd be surprised how empty an area would get if you whacked like 200 dudes. Plus even if all the zombies came running that would mean they would no longer be in the areas they started in emptying out those areas.

One of the dumbest things I saw in a Zombie movie was in the "Day Of The Dead" remake (I think that was the right one) where you had a dude in a guns and ammo shop who is an expert marksman picking up zombies all day and not making any differance in the horde. His big problem was a food crisis, but no offense if you sit around and drop a few thousand bodies in pretty much any town/city out there your going to start running out of people. 50,000 people is a pretty decent csized community and if I sat around and took down 5,000 of them that would be 10% of the entire bloody population of everyone for miles around. As crowded as malls and the area around them might seem, I would think I'd have depopulated the region long before that.

The point of this being that in addition to hiding, or making supply "runs" people could very well clear entire areas, something you rarely see happen. People act like these scenarios work like video games (perpaps why there are so many zombie video games oddly) where as soon as you kill one, another one "spawns". Realistically though that isn't the way how things would work.

So in short, I suppose it's no less likely than many other mass crisis situations. However in a realistic sense I don't think it would actually be an end of humanity unless it happened in combination with other things. Like say a deity deciding a Zombie uprising is simply the warm up act for the real "fun". :)

For those that read this far, if I was to ever make a zombie movie of my own I'd probably use some kind of massive occult ritual. Some Satanists or "Black" Voodoo guys or whatever doing a ritual to give the earth to the dead or something, and maybe even being surprised when it works. I think occult zombies are scarier, and some kind of massive curse is a better reason for having people drop dead and come back than a virus since anything as well understood as an infection can cause a lot of "yeah buts" when people who know about it analyze the facts.

What's more as much as a "headshot" taking a zombie down is a classic, I've always sort of felt that if you want to make things desperate it's far better to have super durable zombies who need to be hacked to pieces (similar to what they did in the Demons movies, or Evil Dead, albeit in this case with them being undead as opposed to possesed or whatever). Not only because they become more credible without a fairly exploitable weakness, but because I've always wanted to see a movie where some genere savvy dude calmly makes a headshot only to find that the head is totally extraneous to the functioning of the zombie and probably the most pointless place to shoot one as at best you just get a headless thing that is still trying to kill you. :p

All of that has more or less been done, but still that's the way *I* would develop it.
 

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orangebandguy said:
Maybe the Danny Boyle zombies, or 'infected.' Not undead ones.

Though like all geeks I have my survival plan.
Are we talking about the book 'Infected'? that's somewhat possible
 

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Ha ha ha don't worry when it does happen their will be fire ammo safe rooms everywhere and a hospital with no health packs and you can chug a whole bottle of pain killers and not get high
 

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if there was a virus that could reanimate dead bodys it would have to hapen within 5-10 mins of death. and if that happend the zombie would probly move in a totaly unquardinated fassion, unless the virus could get the nerve cells fireing in the corect order to make the body walk,bite,ect