Poll: ZOMG THE GUILT!!!!

[maddawg IAJI]

You can't really fix it though. There will always be poor people in poor countries all over the globe and no matter how much aid we give them, they are still gonna be poor.

Zimbabwae is the poorest country on earth. It's market is so inflated that in order to buy a piece of bread, you'd need roughly a wheelbarrow of money. It's a matter of how a goverment runs a country as well I suppose.

I dunno, I just refuse to believe that it "can't be fixed".

Well, even then, you can't fix it. It is not impossible to bring a country on the verge of Economic collapse back. The problem is, with 6 billion people on earth and well over a 100 countries, someone has to be the poorest and there is nothing you can do about it unless the entire world switched over to a version of Communism that gave everyone an equal pay, housing, appliances and everything.

 

[CakeDragon]

I'm grateful for the life I lead and the opportunities I have.
I don't feel guilty because it isn't my fault but I do donate to charity whenever I can.

 

[Kurokami]

Wealth =/= happiness. I think there's probably a greater percentage of content people in that 80% than there is in the 20%.
I am grateful to live this lifestyle though.

Very debatable, I'll admit there's not much room for rumination when you've got simpler goals and less free time, but since the majority of these countries people are concentrating on survival I don't know whether I'd say they're happier than those of us with money to swing around.

Wealth isn't happiness, no argument there, but wealth is atleast a type of insurance, gives you a few less things to worry about.

Check out Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs re wealth != happiness.

I'm currently studying psychology, we briefly covered this. I assume you're agreeing with me then...? (I'm used to quotations indicating an objection, that's all)

 

[jef91]

You can't really fix it though. There will always be poor people in poor countries all over the globe and no matter how much aid we give them, they are still gonna be poor.

Zimbabwae is the poorest country on earth. It's market is so inflated that in order to buy a piece of bread, you'd need roughly a wheelbarrow of money. It's a matter of how a goverment runs a country as well I suppose.

I dunno, I just refuse to believe that it "can't be fixed".

Well, even then, you can't fix it. It is not impossible to bring a country on the verge of Economic collapse back. The problem is, with 6 billion people on earth and well over a 100 countries, someone has to be the poorest and there is nothing you can do about it unless the entire world switched over to a version of Communism that gave everyone an equal pay, housing, appliances and everything.

lol @ Communism being the solution. I agree that someone always has to be the poorest, however there's no reason why it has to be at the extremes it is today. i.e. the poorest should not have to go through what they do today.

 

[JEBWrench]

Voted "I don't care".

The reality is that we do care, but we need to rise up and throw those in power of their high horses and distrubute our researches all over the world. But that doesn't work yet because of all the as*h*les in the world who supresses others.

We need to crush them first, but our countries don't want the third world to get to our stage because our countries want to continue the status quo.

Good luck convincing the lowest end of the 20% to downgrade their wealth by five times.

"Sweet, I can be poorer! AWESOME!"

 

[jef91]

Wealth =/= happiness. I think there's probably a greater percentage of content people in that 80% than there is in the 20%.
I am grateful to live this lifestyle though.

Very debatable, I'll admit there's not much room for rumination when you've got simpler goals and less free time, but since the majority of these countries people are concentrating on survival I don't know whether I'd say they're happier than those of us with money to swing around.

Wealth isn't happiness, no argument there, but wealth is atleast a type of insurance, gives you a few less things to worry about.

Check out Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs re wealth != happiness.

I'm currently studying psychology, we briefly covered this. I assume you're agreeing with me then...? (I'm used to quotations indicating an objection, that's all)

haha no, I agree with you

 

[Lexodus]

What you're suffering is commonly known as 'White Guilt'; irrational and stupid, frankly, but at some stage everyone, middle class and up, get it. I just had it years ago, and now I'm over it.

 

[jef91]

What you're suffering is commonly known as 'White Guilt'; irrational and stupid, frankly, but at some stage everyone, middle class and up, get it. I just had it years ago, and now I'm over it.

How is it irrational? Do you think it's irrational because there's apparently nothing I can do about it?

 

[Billion Backs]

There is no guilt because to be guilty about something unfair that you haven't even directly affected would be to assume that the world is fair and that it would be a good thing for the world to be fair.

Which it isn't. Life's a *****, and then you die. I would be thankful for my current somewhat mediocre position in life if there was anyone to thank, but as a non-spiritual nihilist there really isn't anything to thank aside from random chance which isn't exactly a sapient entity in the first place. Thanking it would be like thanking gravity, an utter waste of time.

And given the current economic systems in place, you really can't fix it that easily or at all, if you care about fixing world poverty and all that shit. It's a lot more complicated, you can't solve these problems by just throwing money at it.

 

[Mozza444]

I make the most of what I have, as does everybody in this world.

That's life and its not about to change.

 

[Soxafloppin]

I don't feel guilty, its not my fault.

and you living on the streets wouldnt solve the problem.

 

[jef91]

There is no guilt because to be guilty about something unfair that you haven't even directly affected would be to assume that the world is fair and that it would be a good thing for the world to be fair.

Which it isn't. Life's a *****, and then you die. I would be thankful for my current somewhat mediocre position in life if there was anyone to thank, but as a non-spiritual nihilist there really isn't anything to thank aside from random chance which isn't exactly a sapient entity in the first place. Thanking it would be like thanking gravity, an utter waste of time.

And given the current economic systems in place, you really can't fix it that easily or at all, if you care about fixing world poverty and all that shit. It's a lot more complicated, you can't solve these problems by just throwing money at it.

I never really said that money is the answer. I used the word wealth which could be anything from money (as you say) to the ability to access water that won't give you Cholera.

 

[Ldude893]

Not my fault, but doesn't mean I shouldn't care.

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

Well you have to pay more taxes than everyone else so... there's that. I personally would not feel guilty at all to begin with, but that's just me.

 

[Billion Backs]

What you're suffering is commonly known as 'White Guilt'; irrational and stupid, frankly, but at some stage everyone, middle class and up, get it. I just had it years ago, and now I'm over it.

How is it irrational? Do you think it's irrational because there's apparently nothing I can do about it?

It's irrational because it's the epitome of feeling guilt for something you aren't responsible for.

The reason some white folk are awkward when around black people is white guilt. Sometimes some forms of media are pushing it, oftentimes nobody really cares. But ultimately, in this example, if you're white you shouldn't be feeling guilt about apparent enslavement of some people. You haven't done it, if your ancestors have lived in the right places and did it, oh well, crimes don't pass down - and it wasn't even a crime back then. So why exactly are you feeling guilt? Your hands aren't covered in blood. They've got a good alibi, even. You weren't fucking born yet when all that happened, no matter what kind of perspective you take on slavery and races. Letting said white guilt dominate you is one of the best things you can do if you're into, you know, furthering the cause of racism.

Or at least that's the more common use of "white guilt" in my experience, although obviously enough it applies to a lot of other things.

 

[Nikajo]

The fact of the matter is - we got lucky. Sometimes I do feel a bit guilty but I do give to various charities and don't feel that I'm a greedy person. I don't really see any other way of dealing with it. Just do what you can for others who are less fortunate but don't drive yourself mad with it. It's not your fault that you got lucky.

 

[jef91]

What you're suffering is commonly known as 'White Guilt'; irrational and stupid, frankly, but at some stage everyone, middle class and up, get it. I just had it years ago, and now I'm over it.

How is it irrational? Do you think it's irrational because there's apparently nothing I can do about it?

It's irrational because it's the epitome of feeling guilt for something you aren't responsible for.

The reason some white folk are awkward when around black people is white guilt. Sometimes some forms of media are pushing it, oftentimes nobody really cares. But ultimately, in this example, if you're white you shouldn't be feeling guilt about apparent enslavement of some people. You haven't done it, if your ancestors have lived in the right places and did it, oh well, crimes don't pass down - and it wasn't even a crime back then. So why exactly are you feeling guilt? Your hands aren't covered in blood. They've got a good alibi, even. You weren't fucking born yet when all that happened, no matter what kind of perspective you take on slavery and races. Letting said white guilt dominate you is one of the best things you can do if you're into, you know, furthering the cause of racism.

Or at least that's the more common use of "white guilt" in my experience, although obviously enough it applies to a lot of other things.

So labelling my dilemma as White Guilt enabled you to call me a racist lol nice. I understand what you're saying, however in the case of slavery, nothing can be done to change the past. In the case of the distribution of wealth - this issue will continue for a loooooong time I think. So, to counter your aggressive tone, using the label "white guilt" is fucking stupid.

 

[JEBWrench]

I belong to that group.

I commend you on your altruism.