Poll: ZOMG THE GUILT!!!!

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IncindiaryPickle

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I do sometimes feel guilt, but I just turn to gratitude when I think about all that I have.
I experinced what it's like to have nothing, and being grateful kept me sane.
 

Jonluw

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I do not feel guilty for being born in a wealthy country, as that was not a conciuous decision I made, but I do sometimes feel a little guilty for wasting resources the way I do, and for not caring as much as I probably should.
 

Therumancer

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jef91 said:
My fellow escapists...

I encountered a moral dilemma today and am interested in surveying you guys:

20% of the world's population has 80% of the wealth (this comes from Pareto's Principle)

I live in a very wealthy country, and as I consume my quality goods and services, I can never shake this guilt. I wonder: "How is this at all fair? My laptop costs more than a great number of people in the world earn in a year".

How does this make you feel?

P.S. I understand a lot of you will reply with things like "just stop caring, thats how I get through the day", or "perhaps you've never had a double quarter pounder while you're sobering up after a night out partying in the city". Do not waste your time, go to another thread.
I don't feel especially guilty since generally speaking the nations that have most of the wealth worked long and hard to get where they are, and obtained most of it competitively.

The issue of "standard of living" has been one for a very long time, and it is very true that the entire global population could not be supported at the level your typical American lives at. I've read some studies on what a truely "fair" distribution of wealth would look like (global communism) and while potentially appealing to the third world, I doubt most people in first world nations would appreciate it.

There are of course solutions, one of course is for there to be less people on the planet. I think overpopulation is one of the things at the root of almost all social problems.

Another is a "whatever it takes" approach to space travel and exploration, which can be used to obtain more resources and of course living space. This however mandates obtaining a world unity, and that isn't going to be entirely pleasant, even with the simple spread of ideas doing mot of the work, it's still going to involve a bit of conquest, and not to mention taking action to ensure ideas can be spread (I see current issues like national firewalls and the like as a global crisis on a number of differant levels).

At the end of the day, I really don't feel much guilt, especially when you consider the origins of the US and what happened over generations (even if some of it was quite ruthless) to get to this point. While I look towards solutions like space travel and the like, I freely admit I have no intention of giving up my standard of living (such as it is) for anyone else.
Each generation of our forefathers worked, lived, and died so their descendants could live better lives, and in our case it worked, which is why we are where we are. It didn't work out for everyone on the planet where the same thing was being attempted, but that's simply the way things are.

Also one of the reasons why I am very wary of nations like China is simply that they have so much of the world's population, and are striving for a higher standard of living themselves. With a higher chinese standard of living of course comes a massive need for resources, and those resources have to come from somewhere, meaning that simply by the numbers their success means a lower standard of living (eventually much, much lower) for nations like the US, Canada, and the more prosperous European nations. Something to keep in mind when looking at world politics and the like. It's no great moral battle between good and evil on this level but "us vs. them" and it's also why many people have said that an East Vs. West war is inevitable no matter what happens, and it's likely going to be a war based entirely off of economics, division of resources, and simple living space.



Also, I think a global disaster that kills off vast numbers of people internationally, whether it be a sickness, war, zombies, or whatever else, would be a good thing, providing people embrace Zero Population Growth, or at least action is taken to prevent a baby boom, afterwards. Less people means less ways those resources have to go, equating to higher standards of living, less need for conflict, and of course giving the planet a chance to replentish itself.

Well, enough rambling. It's no secret that the planet is a mess. That's one of the reasons why I look up into space as the solution, no matter what it takes to get there.
 

Rofl-Mayo

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Sorry, yes, but guilt, no. I just can't feel guilty about this because I didn't cause it. If there country is poor, well then there probably is some reason for it. And even if I did feel guilty or cared a bit more than I actually do, it's not like I could help anything.
 

Claptrap

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Well, There's nothing we can do to change this, So you just have to be grateful for what you get, I guess, But as i said there's nothing we, As "Normal" People can do about it.
 

derelict

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jef91 said:
Do you hug trees, too?

In all seriousness, most of the wealthy world, or at least in terms of the wealth you're describing, got that way from effort. Not one specific person's effort in most cases, but the entire country moving to create an export of some sort, or to build up trade relations with other countries, etc. For the most part, those who aren't wealthy are that way because that's their choice, same as the homeless folk that wander around my town. I know of plenty of places that'll pay people per day to work for them, side jobs and the like. The only reason people are poor is because they don't have an interest in money.
 
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If you have more than others, enjoy all of it. Enjoy your good life. Don't complain about most pointless things.

Thats what I do.

And yeah it sucks people aren't as privileged as me, but what would they want me to do? Sulk around worrying about them, or using my privileged lifestyle to its fullest?
 

johnman

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Its not caused by me and I cant do anything about it. Its Global politics thoughout history which are partly to blame, and the rest is a result of the natural conditions.
Zimbabwae use to be a fairly well off country when control was handed back from the Britsh Empire (I am not supporting the Empire, its just true), its jsut that its current leaders have run it into the ground.
 

teisjm

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I'd love to be able to say this affected me a lot, but honestly, i don't really care, out of sight out of mind.
I can be a cynical cold fuck sometimes, cause honestly, it doesn't help anyone if i feel bad about something i can't change anyways.

I can't keep up a decent living standard in a rich country if i had to split all my money with everyone who had less, no-one could do that without ending up with only a fractal of a cent.
I pay my taxes (about 40% of income here in Denmark) and some of them goes to third world countries and a lot of them goes to ensure that theres free schools, universities, senior citizen care, hospitals, and lots of otehr stuff where i live.
I vote for immigration friendly politicians, so peopel from worse parts of the world can come here and take part in a wealthier society.
I give money to the homeless when i have spare change.

You can't save the world by yourself, but as long as you're contributing, even the slightest you're helping to move the world in the right direction. And in a lot of countries, simply keepign a job means you're contributing through taxes.

Also, the through channeling the epicness of my awesome beeing i'm makeing the world a better palce just by existing, i am tuly that awesome, it just doesn't show that well online.
 

Chase Yojimbo

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People fail to realize that we are this way because in a sense we fought to be this way. Though children in Africa dream every day to have food, while in America *Canada/USA* we have to just take a step for food. Our ancestors wouldn't want us, or future generations, to starve would they? As an example, if you ever had a child, would you willingly give all of his/her food and clothing to Africa, starving him/her to nothing but a pound?

It is heartless, but we are this way because it is better than a life of merely fighting every day to survive. Besides, I usually blame the governments for the way their people are anyways, only makes sense since most of them waste money on military power only to get a finger waving from America. Bloody idiots.
 

oktalist

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None of the poll options applies to me. I don't feel guilty because I do what I can to redress the balance. If I didn't, I would feel deeply guilty and wrong. If you don't, you are one of the causes of injustice.
 

xitel

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If you really feel guilty then I'll gladly take some of your money. Call it a charitable donation and you can even write it off of yoru taxes!
 

Zealous

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Eh. I'm grateful that I was born into a developed country and I find the situation to be unfair, but why should I feel guilty? I didn't do anything...
 

oktalist

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Chase Yojimbo said:
People fail to realize that we are this way because in a sense we fought to be this way. Though children in Africa dream every day to have food, while in America *Canada/USA* we have to just take a step for food. Our ancestors wouldn't want us, or future generations, to starve would they? As an example, if you ever had a child, would you willingly give all of his/her food and clothing to Africa, starving him/her to nothing but a pound?
It's not an all or nothing situation. You fail to realise that they too are this way also because we fought to make them this way. We can have everything we want while letting them have everything they want, too. Our governments don't let that happen, becuase it's not in their interests. Also, I don't care what our ancestors would have wanted.

You seem to be saying that because developed countries have exploited their resources more cunningly and been more successful in war, we must be better than the rest so we deserve a greater slice of the pie.
 

mew4ever23

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I'm grateful for what I have. There's no need to feel guilty, in my opinion, I've done nothing wrong.
 

oktalist

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Hunter85792 said:
Eh. I'm grateful that I was born into a developed country and I find the situation to be unfair, but why should I feel guilty? I didn't do anything...
If you walk past a person dying in a gutter, wouldn't you feel guilty if you didn't help them to the nearest hospital, or at least call 112? After all, it's not your fault that they're in that situation.

But because they're in some faraway land, it doesn't feel like such an immediate, concrete problem, but a political problem that ordinary people like us can't do anything about. I disagree. I think our inaction makes us part of the cause of their suffering, as it would in the gutter example.
 

DontHassleTheHoff

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I think we need to feel slightly guilty in order to make the world better. True, walking around constantly crying because Africans don't have food won't really get us anywhere, but I think if we don't feel a bit of guilt, then nothing will get better. Unless I'm mistaken, and the world really is made up of bastards, we have a duty to help those who can't help themselves. I'm no Christian either, I just believe in helping people.