Pop music: beginning to take a bad route?

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[HEADING=2]"Pop music: beginning to take a bad route?"[/HEADING]
Beginning? What has it been doing for the past 10 years then? Pop music in my opinion has always been a rotting pile of vile undergarments. Nothing good has come of it, really.
Ohh the joys of somebody picking one single shred of my argument out instead of considering the rest of it. I clearly stated that I don't like pop music, so I haven't been following it for the past 10 years. Also my title was objective, whereas you've stated it as completely wrong with an opinion. Oh no.
 

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I feel the same about a Lady Gaga song. I feel a little disturbed when I hear 11 year old girls singing about "taking a ride on your disco stick". (Or whatever the hell it is.)
 

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Music will always have objectively "bad routes" depending on one's taste. Personally I've never been too akin to any of the music that has been considered popular. Then again, i dont like lyrics in any of my music. Really, music will always become popular depending on how it is presented to the mass media, not how complicated, deep, or artistic it is.
 

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stealing/quoting/refferencing, call it what you will, this has always been a part of music and always will.

If you dont like this music (like me) just wait about 3 weeks- because you'll never hear this crap again. Hate to sound like a cantankerous hippy, but music corperations work very hard to make sure music is disposable trash so that you'll have to keep buying more. Good music lasts, and is therefore not profitable.
 

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Vanguard_Ex said:
S.H.A.R.P. said:
Vanguard_Ex said:
[HEADING=2]"Pop music: beginning to take a bad route?"[/HEADING]
Beginning? What has it been doing for the past 10 years then? Pop music in my opinion has always been a rotting pile of vile undergarments. Nothing good has come of it, really.
Ohh the joys of somebody picking one single shred of my argument out instead of considering the rest of it. I clearly stated that I don't like pop music, so I haven't been following it for the past 10 years. Also my title was objective, whereas you've stated it as completely wrong with an opinion. Oh no.
As you were making your opinion, so was I. In no way have I stated that your opinion is that you like pop music. I just expressed my own opinion by saying that I find pop music to be quite a nuisance. Even though I quoted you, it wasn't exactly aimed at you personally.

Sure, I didn't exactly went along with your topic, and explicitly said that it was becoming worse, with rip-offs occurring at every turn and bound. That's because I don't know anything about it, and ignore it with the best of my ability. I just mentioned that I despise it altogether.

I'm sorry that I am not so much in touch with pop music as you obviously are, that I can form an opinion about the increased repetitiveness of it.
 

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As you were making your opinion, so was I. In no way have I stated that your opinion is that you like pop music. I just expressed my own opinion by saying that I find pop music to be quite a nuisance. Even though I quoted you, it wasn't exactly aimed at you personally.

Sure, I didn't exactly went along with your topic, and explicitly said that it was becoming worse, with rip-offs occurring at every turn and bound. That's because I don't know anything about it, and ignore it with the best of my ability. I just mentioned that I despise it altogether.

I'm sorry that I am not so much in touch with pop music as you obviously are, that I can form an opinion about the increased repetitiveness of it.
You are reading this, aren't you? For the third and final time: I don't like pop music, I'm not 'in touch with it'.
I didn't say you can't have your opinion, I said that it's odd that you would criticise my objective question from a subjective standpoint. A standpoint I agree with entirely, though I might add.
 

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First, I do want to say that I do agree with most of the points here. Nowadays, sampling has rendered Pop sterile and formulaic. I'm bored of hearing some tune that was a sleeper hit in the 70's or 80's get sampled & looped, before someone comes along and raps all over it, or starts warbling on about how they're in Ecstacy or Euphoria...

...however, there are also those rare occasions where samples are used creatively.

True, they are in the minority, but when they do crop up, they're very effective.

Case in point: Utah Saints resampled Eurythmics 'There must be an Angel' (on their tune 'What Can you do for me', and Kate Bush's 'Cloudbursting' for 'Something Good'. Busta Rhymes sampled the theme to Psycho for 'Gimme Some More'. The Prodigy sampled an old UK government commercial for kids on their song 'Charly Says'....

It's true, I can't think of too many more, especially recent ones, but they do exist.

As for good pop, that also exists. It's just not as saturated & advertised, so it doesn't reach the audience. - Instead, you end up with Pop Idol and pre-fab boybands/girlbands all carefully manufactured to an already manipulated audience.

And lets face it, pop music is, was & will only be what the mainstram wants it to be. Unfortunately, thanks to the likes of Simon Cowell dictating what the proletariat should & shouldn't like, creativity is stifled and people who are producing good, original & innovative pop music, are pushed out onto the fringes.

My advice to anyone who wants to hear good pop music is to point your internets to sites like soundclick and listent to what other musicians are doing. You might find the next big thing, or at the very least, replenish your faith that there is an abundance of good music out there!
 

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Vanguard_Ex said:
S.H.A.R.P. said:
As you were making your opinion, so was I. In no way have I stated that your opinion is that you like pop music. I just expressed my own opinion by saying that I find pop music to be quite a nuisance. Even though I quoted you, it wasn't exactly aimed at you personally.

Sure, I didn't exactly went along with your topic, and explicitly said that it was becoming worse, with rip-offs occurring at every turn and bound. That's because I don't know anything about it, and ignore it with the best of my ability. I just mentioned that I despise it altogether.

I'm sorry that I am not so much in touch with pop music as you obviously are, that I can form an opinion about the increased repetitiveness of it.
You are reading this, aren't you? For the third and final time: I don't like pop music, I'm not 'in touch with it'.
I didn't say you can't have your opinion, I said that it's odd that you would criticise my objective question from a subjective standpoint. A standpoint I agree with entirely, though I might add.
Now.. for the second time, I did not imply that you like pop music. In my last sentence, I merely mentioned that you must be in touch with it, seeing you can form an opinion about it, and even can show examples of some songs where it goes wrong! Pretty impressive feat, especially if you're not in touch with it.

OK.. I feel silly now. Will you accept my apologies? I was in err with my initial statement and I'll try not to do it again.

In order not to let this thread die... I'd like to know if there are some other music genres where repetitiveness is killing the genre. Anyone?
 

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Plagiarism in pop music has existed long before the birth of samplers. It's well known and was acknowledged by the man himself that Elvis and his band ripped off the music of black blues singers in the 1950s.

It's not just popular music either. In the early 18th Century Bach reinterpreted Lutheran church music with contrapuntal techniques and presented the results as his own creations.

Music has always been an evolving form that tends to take two steps forward and one backward as it looks to both the past and the future. The current process is a continuation of a centuries-old legacy which will not be changing in our lifetime.
 

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S.H.A.R.P. said:
Now.. for the second time, I did not imply that you like pop music. In my last sentence, I merely mentioned that you must be in touch with it, seeing you can form an opinion about it, and even can show examples of some songs where it goes wrong! Pretty impressive feat, especially if you're not in touch with it.

OK.. I feel silly now. Will you accept my apologies? I was in err with my initial statement and I'll try not to do it again.

In order not to let this thread die... I'd like to know if there are some other music genres where repetitiveness is killing the genre. Anyone?
Yes, and I hope you'll also accept mine. I'll admit I made this go unnecessarily far out of hand. You didn't do anything wrong.
In answer to your question I don't think I can name any other genres where this is also happening, though there are probably a few.
 

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It seems O.K. to me. Sure it's a far cry from Micheal Jackson's days but I'm still happy with the direction it's heading.
 

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Eh I'm to busy hating the songs that just have the chorus repeating for 3 minutes (Looking at you Lady Gaga.) Although I do dislike it when they rework the music or lyrics to be similar to older songs. I'm starting to think pop stars now a days are hoping there target audience dosen't remeber these old songs in hopes of coming off orginal.
 

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what do you mean "Beginning" to fail? it has always been on the decline. as has music in general. there are so few good "songs" out there its almost impossible to find. but to each there own neh?
 

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trelloskilos said:
First, I do want to say that I do agree with most of the points here. Nowadays, sampling has rendered Pop sterile and formulaic. I'm bored of hearing some tune that was a sleeper hit in the 70's or 80's get sampled & looped, before someone comes along and raps all over it, or starts warbling on about how they're in Ecstacy or Euphoria...

...however, there are also those rare occasions where samples are used creatively.

True, they are in the minority, but when they do crop up, they're very effective.

Case in point: Utah Saints resampled Eurythmics 'There must be an Angel' (on their tune 'What Can you do for me', and Kate Bush's 'Cloudbursting' for 'Something Good'. Busta Rhymes sampled the theme to Psycho for 'Gimme Some More'. The Prodigy sampled an old UK government commercial for kids on their song 'Charly Says'....

It's true, I can't think of too many more, especially recent ones, but they do exist.

As for good pop, that also exists. It's just not as saturated & advertised, so it doesn't reach the audience. - Instead, you end up with Pop Idol and pre-fab boybands/girlbands all carefully manufactured to an already manipulated audience.

And lets face it, pop music is, was & will only be what the mainstram wants it to be. Unfortunately, thanks to the likes of Simon Cowell dictating what the proletariat should & shouldn't like, creativity is stifled and people who are producing good, original & innovative pop music, are pushed out onto the fringes.

My advice to anyone who wants to hear good pop music is to point your internets to sites like soundclick and listent to what other musicians are doing. You might find the next big thing, or at the very least, replenish your faith that there is an abundance of good music out there!
This dude has got it right, I would also like to add to the list, 'Frontier Psychiatrist' by The Avalanches. It samples loads of movie dialogue form the 50's and possibly 40's, and is hilarious. Smapling can be good, but I think most of the posters here have a problem with the genre itself, not this facet, which is what I believe the conversation started off with.