Pop is misunderstood... top 40 doesn't count as pop, Pop is a genre not a specific bracket that requires songs to meet certain criteria to gain the brand pop.mistergobbles said:
Pop: Why all the hate?
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Well yes, I mean things like Pet Shop Boys and arguably The Bravery are pop. And there's a wide range of things that can be considered pop or poppy or have pop elements, it's a genre label more than anything else. I think the people who are posting in the thread are more interested in talking about Top 40's pop, however, although I just mean any sort of modern pop, whatever your interpretation of it may be.LiftYourSkinnyFists said:
Its not musical anymore, thats why pretty much everything ends around 1995 for me.
Then again I'm a prog rock guy.
Depresses me how people like Simon Cowell doesn't see a pattern, so many people are singing old songs in the auditions.
People are turning to the older stuff, and until modern music gets more musical its going to stay that way.
Listen to Sledgehammer by Peter Gabriel, and then Kesha.
Judge yourself.
Then again I'm a prog rock guy.
Depresses me how people like Simon Cowell doesn't see a pattern, so many people are singing old songs in the auditions.
People are turning to the older stuff, and until modern music gets more musical its going to stay that way.
Listen to Sledgehammer by Peter Gabriel, and then Kesha.
Judge yourself.
As a English metaler, I grew up around the gods of heavy metal, Iron maiden, Sabbath, Judas and many more ect. So as most would guess I find most modern pop to be unbearable to listen too, I just frustrates me, But I will say that I enjoy a very small number of songs from pop. I honestly have no problem with others musical taste, but on the Internet, everything you like will be challenged as much as possible. So Thats why I think theres hate.
I find myself listening to more lady gaga more and more each day. She's quite enjoyable. Plus I find her strangely hot....please don't judge melacktheknack said:
http://www.cracked.com/article_1898...dern-life-that-are-statistically-b.s._p2.htmlBender Rodriguez said:
Skip to one.
The problem with asking questions like "Do you dislike Pop as a genre?" is that agreeing on just what constitutes that genre is going to be problematic. If you suppose that Pop is "music that is popular", well that could be all sorts of things (usually not very good things, but a wide variety nonetheless). We could decide that Pop is music where the 'artist' plays no instruments and in fact writes none of the material, and it is in fact quite safe to classify anything that fits that description as "Pop", but how then would you account for all the music that sounds just like it (or quite similar) where those things aren't true? For that matter, what the hell do "Pop Rock" or "Pop Metal" mean? Is the perception that Pop embodies simplicity and commercialism a given so we can apply it as a qualifier/slur when describing music from any genre that trends in a certain direction?
But in the interest of providing something that vaguely resembles a coherent opinion, I do not much care for what is generally agreed upon as "Pop", and the Pop that I do like probably isn't actually Pop from any viewpoint other than my own. I don't much care for simplicity as a general rule, and I don't dance or otherwise care about how well music lends itself towards dancing, so suggesting that music is "fun" is going to fall on deaf ears here. Catchy hooks are more often a liability than a virtue, as they can ensure that almost insultingly stupid lyrics get stuck in your head forever, and Pop is basically nothing but hooks.
In essence, I don't care for Pop because it's an almost uniformly shallow genre, abounding with crap lyrics, crap melodies, crap take-your-pick; even when it's good I probably won't like it, and there are few things more annoying than crappy pop songs that you cannot escape. At least with say... wretchedly awful deathcore (pretty much all of it) the one bright side is that you're unlikely to ever have to sit through it against your will, unless you have crappy friends or government agents are torturing you for some reason - Pop is everywhere though, you have to really work to not hear it.
But in the interest of providing something that vaguely resembles a coherent opinion, I do not much care for what is generally agreed upon as "Pop", and the Pop that I do like probably isn't actually Pop from any viewpoint other than my own. I don't much care for simplicity as a general rule, and I don't dance or otherwise care about how well music lends itself towards dancing, so suggesting that music is "fun" is going to fall on deaf ears here. Catchy hooks are more often a liability than a virtue, as they can ensure that almost insultingly stupid lyrics get stuck in your head forever, and Pop is basically nothing but hooks.
In essence, I don't care for Pop because it's an almost uniformly shallow genre, abounding with crap lyrics, crap melodies, crap take-your-pick; even when it's good I probably won't like it, and there are few things more annoying than crappy pop songs that you cannot escape. At least with say... wretchedly awful deathcore (pretty much all of it) the one bright side is that you're unlikely to ever have to sit through it against your will, unless you have crappy friends or government agents are torturing you for some reason - Pop is everywhere though, you have to really work to not hear it.
Because people feel the need to complain about anything popular that they are not personally a fan of. Either to feel "cool" or simply some search to validate themselves. Unfortunately this "validation" leads to arrogance and the perception that they are "above" the "stupid sheep" that listens to "crap mainstream music". Elitism is pathetic.
I don't judge pop as a whole since i like and dislike different artists from the genre. And i don't complain about the ones i don't like.
Personally i do adore meself some Lady Gaga. That woman makes the music equal to heroin in addictiveness.
I don't judge pop as a whole since i like and dislike different artists from the genre. And i don't complain about the ones i don't like.
Personally i do adore meself some Lady Gaga. That woman makes the music equal to heroin in addictiveness.
It's because it's all so heavily doctored up. The ratio of Sound Engineers to performers is above 0.25, which is more than too much.
Autotune was designed to make a perfect singer out of an excellent singer, not make a singer out of a not singer. This is why I enjoy classical music and opera: not only is it impossible for autotune to 'repair' an intertonal sound source such as instruments, but it would be scandalous if such implementations were employed to give a performance. Either you can play and you get famous, or you can't and you don't. It doesn't depend on appearance at all.
I mean really, which do you think should garner more respect and knowability:
Teenage youtube kid
Old jewish guy
Autotune was designed to make a perfect singer out of an excellent singer, not make a singer out of a not singer. This is why I enjoy classical music and opera: not only is it impossible for autotune to 'repair' an intertonal sound source such as instruments, but it would be scandalous if such implementations were employed to give a performance. Either you can play and you get famous, or you can't and you don't. It doesn't depend on appearance at all.
I mean really, which do you think should garner more respect and knowability:
Teenage youtube kid
Old jewish guy
Like all genres,there's bad and good and it is also up to personal taste. If you don't like mordern, recent stuff you can go to the oldies or just wait it. The Internet flame hate is just because of the 'fanboy' culture.
Your missing the point, the song i mentioned was a good example of melodic music.TeeBs said:
Todays music sure has a melody, but its electronic and stale.
Thats my problem, not that I'm cursing new POP music like an old man - I just don't like its technique and sound in general.
Sure we have good stuff in the other genres, but POP...as in POP isn't very good.
Ain't got soul.
Well, I certainly pick the right video for that... >_<white_salad said:
It's okay. I've seen her in her pre-Lady Gaga days, and she's actually not unpleasant to look at at all. Of course, she kinda wrecked everything with the meat dress...
Things like Fall Out Boy and Panic at the Disco, and really even Paramore also count as pop, but it's really hard to draw the line. When I say/think of "pop", at least in modern terms, I think of simple, catchy (hopefully), electronic stuff. That's a pretty shallow definition of pop, because it doesn't have to be electronic or even simple. It can work in other genres. And there's a lot of indie pop stuff that's much better than what's normally on the radio. I wasn't necessarily referring to only the radio stuff, I was curious about people who actually hated all conceivable forms of pop (some metalheads and classical music junkies), but mostly people just wanna talk about the radio stuff, which I suppose is what enters most people's minds when they hear the word "pop".Gildan Bladeborn said:
As for deathcore, I enjoy Suicide Silence and Veil of Maya, and that's about it.
I just don't like it because it all sounds the same to me.
But simply, things that a lot of people listen to, are going to have more people who are both (a) not fans of it and (b) are familiar with it, when compared to things that few people listen to.
But simply, things that a lot of people listen to, are going to have more people who are both (a) not fans of it and (b) are familiar with it, when compared to things that few people listen to.