Porn and unrealistic expectations for men and women, and hentai

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I think so. I think that hentai, slightly more plot-oriented ecchi, and the like give people unrealistic expectations of sex, romance, and the inability to differentiate fantasy and reality, though only in the already few people who have trouble differentiating the two in the first place.

The only way to alleviate the problem is to rid of prudishness and actually give realistic sex ed courses, stopping these unrealistic expectations. There's nothing wrong with liking hentai or owning a dakimakura, but the root of people blatantly misinterpreting sex and becoming dependent on porn lies in a lack of education about it.

Seriously, is it that hard to tell 14-year-olds, "If you get some - and let's face it, you won't - don't pull her fucking hair, you stupid shits. That ain't cool".
 
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This is an interesting choice of phrases. I think you've forgotten, however, that we're not just members of a species, but also individuals, and that our "health" thus has to be measured in terms beyond the evolutionary. An adult homosexual male probably won't be attracted to real life women; this doesn't make him any less "healthy". It means he's very likely not reproducing, but again, that means little if we're only considering the man himself.
I wasn't referring to homosexuals in my post.

Recusant said:
Firstly, that sexual attraction to non-physically sexual things is inherently inferior to the real thing and thus (by implication) is a worse form of behavior. Sexuality as an element isn't so (if you'll pardon the pun) cut and dried as to be a yes or no proposition; this is true of nearly any species with high brain power. Take a look at the sexual side activities of otters, or walruses, or, if necessary, dolphins (but not just after you eat). I think (and correct me if I'm wrong) that you're speaking more against fetishes than paraphilias, but ultimately, the principle is the same: a minor modification that doesn't change the essential experience can provide what you need both to satiate your own sexual appetites, and let you reproduce. It may worsen your odds a bit, but in what was does it negatively affect health?
I didn't understand this, except for the last sentence. How does it negatively affect health? By using porn a man will be rewiring his brain. The dopamine reward system can quickly turn its use into an addiction. A man who uses it all the time instead of seeking actual sex with women will find that when he's confronted by a real woman he doesn't feel aroused by her. He may not feel the desire to pursue her, he may not know how to talk to her, to flirt or be able to perform if they did get frisky. Training one's body to orgasm to porn and one's own hand will make it harder to be aroused by an actual woman with a normal figure, the friction from a vagina is not the same as a hand. Erectile dysfunction, inability to orgasm are prime issues.

Unrealistic expectations was suggested in the OP and there is that too, particularly for minors and inexperienced boys and young men it can mess up their views of real women and real sex. Then there is how orgasms release dopamine again. As well as being a quick road to addiction, it can also cause men to seek more and more graphic scenes to get the same feeling (as the same things lose efficacy). By training his brain to get off to an infinite supply of women, all ready to drop their clothes at his mouse click, women of all shapes, colours and sizes, a man will find it much harder to be satisfied with just one real one.

Recusant said:
My bigger problem, however, is with your assumption itself, that (not to mince words) masturbating to depictions that don't involve humans is "a sad state". Dedicated relationships (where most sex takes place) require time, effort, energy (of many kinds), patience, and a dozen other things. They are, quite frequently, an incredible personal drain, and that the benefits often outweigh the drawbacks doesn't change that. Additionally, our Overculture's courting rituals leave a great deal to be desired, combining the rote going-through-the-motions mundanity of bureaucracy with the inefficiencies of more free-form interaction. Some people don't have the energy, will, or circumstance to go through all that; should they be denied having their needs met due to a simple quirk of fate? Some people have crippling social or emotional problems- some are flat-out crazy. Is it fair to deny them? But we have masturbation, a solution to all of these problems- one that costs nothing, takes as little time, energy and effort as it needs to (but can take as much as you desire), poses no risk of disease, no risk (unless you get really wild) of injury, causes no unwanted pregnancies (even the eugenicists have to give it that), promotes good health in several ways, and requires no other people even be aware of it, much less involved. If anything, it's less sad that these people have managed to subvert the existing behavior pattern and find a way to satisfy their needs (if not fully fulfill their wants). We should be rewarding them.

If you're following me so far, let's simply take the next step. The pornography industry has its downsides, as I'm sure you'll agree, but how can you degrade or exploit a cartoon?
I don't follow some of what you're saying here.
- How can you exploit a cartoon? I have no idea. I don't understand what relevance that has.
- Should they be denied? Should who be denied what? No one is denying anyone anything.
- "crippling social or emotional problems" - I did say "healthy" in my post. I'm not touching psychological issues.

As for the effort required to date and go out with actual women, that's the price for a real relationship. If it is too steep a price, or the man doesn't have the "time, effort, patience", "energy, will or circumstance", etc, then he can stay single, at home and masturbate to a computer screen should he so choose. Healthy, sexually active men should be going out and meeting women. They should be aroused by seeing a beautiful woman. If they don't get aroused by real women but can only "get it up" to digital ones on a screen, that is not healthy. But it is their choice to make and their life to live; no one is gonna intervene.
 

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Yes, There are issues associated, in fact there are already serious psychological issues in regards to those who are no longer attracted to actual human beings but instead are solely attracted to animations and this can greatly affect their ability to have actual healthy relationships. Due to the damaging affects this can have on ones life, they should seek counseling to help them overcome these issues since this is very difficult to do on ones own.
Let's set aside for a moment their taste in porn, or hentai in this case. You're saying anyone who isn't attracted to other real life people has some sort of serious issue and needs counseling? Or not being in a "healthy" relationship is inherently a bad thing? When it comes to individuals, 'healthy' is something we largely decide for ourselves, if someone doesn't ascribe to your idea of what is healthy, it doesn't mean they need to be tossed into a padded cell. Shocking as it may be, there are people who just don't want to date, and people who have no sex drive at all, that doesn't make them unhealthy, and it doesn't mean they need to be fixed.

If someone is only attracted to animated men/women there's nothing wrong with that. Not feeling the urge to sleep with everything that moves is not a mental illness.
 

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It's had a profound impact on my life, the hentai I mean.

To this day, I'm still waiting for senpai to notice me...

...then sprout cat ears and fellate me in the athletic storage room while her tail tenderly cups me man bits and she proclaims, between gasps, that she's not doing this because she likes me or anything, baka.

Sadly, this has never come to fruition (and neither have I), thus causing irrevocable damage to my psyche/expectations for a normal sex life.
 

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Smooth Operator said:
I would just round it all up as "if you believe entertainment equals reality then you got some issues to work out".
And it's not just porn, it is absolutely every topic imaginable, don't even know how many times I've had issues in relationships because my partner imagined shit goes down as Disney cartoons dictate. And I'm not talking about teenagers, I am talking about 20-30 adults who have never resolved their imagination.
That's always a problem, yes. OTOH, people absorb messages without realising it, especially about issues they don't know anything about from the real world.
The problem with this is it tends to shift the responsibility away from those actually responsible and places it onto the content creators.
 

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It's had a profound impact on my life, the hentai I mean.

To this day, I'm still waiting for senpai to notice me...

...then sprout cat ears and fellate me in the athletic storage room while her tail tenderly cups me man bits and she proclaims, between gasps, that she's not doing this because she likes me or anything, baka.

Sadly, this has never come to fruition (and neither have I), thus causing irrevocable damage to my psyche/expectations for a normal sex life.
I'm still waiting for the day I see that in a hentai. .-.
 

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CpT_x_Killsteal said:
Does it encourage becoming a NEET
Actual curiosity speaking: could you define "NEET"? I've only just recently seen this word pop up on occasion and while I have an understanding of what it means due to the context it's used in, I still don't know exactly what it means. :p

OT: I'm going with what Smooth Operator said in the 2nd response: for the most part, anyone who allows porn/hentai/entertainment/fiction in general to help paint their views on reality has some issues. I'm not saying we shouldn't be imaginative, but life isn't a fairy tale, and I'd imagine most sensible people understand this concept and as such don't believe that a woman can only be attractive if she has a porn-star body, or that a man can only be attractive if he's a chiseled Adonis.

The keyword there being "sensible", as in "grounded". There's of course plenty of people out there who are swayed by the images they see and stories they experience. While I certainly don't understand how or why anyone would want to actually marry their favorite waifu from a dating sim (yeah, that was an actual story a couple years ago), I don't judge. EVERYONE has something that would make them "weird" to other people. So long as they're minding their own business and not hurting anyone, then I don't see anything wrong with a guy snuggling up with his Sakura-Chan pillow every night. :p

Captcha:
"You Sneaky Mom"
...wouldn't touch that one with a 10 foot pole... >.>
 

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CpT_x_Killsteal said:
I can just imagine someone clicking on this from the front page expecting something completely different.

So, porn causing unrealistic expectations for both men and women is something we've heard much about. We've heard all about the effects it has on different types of people, from false expectations of orgasms, genitalia, flexibility, looks, etc.

However. What is not often mentioned when discussing this, is porn not involving actual human beings. Would animated porn create even more horrendously unrealistic expectations? Would people find it ridiculous and not generate unrealistic expectations? Does it encourage becoming a NEET and buying a Sakura body pillow? Will my future girlfriend expect tentacles to sprout from my back? Will she dump me when I do not meet this expectation? These are the important questions that the main stream refuse to answer, so I must turn to you, Escapists.
Well, to be honest I consider it a non-issue. Porn by it's very nature is a form of entertainment and the people hiring and casting for these things are of course creating an idealistic illusion in many cases. Part of why Porn is 'adult entertainment' is the understanding and perspective to know that it's not real and expect the same in real life. This is one of the reasons why "porn" is off limits to children, it isn't just about witnessing the sex act itself, but how the youth can confuse fantasy and reality especially when part of the fantasy is to try and pass it off as something that could be real, get where I'm coming from?

When it comes to animated pornography I see that as a non-issue because the sheer unreality of looking at animated artworks, much like those that are drawn, adds another layer to things making it harder for people to confuse this with reality. After all even a teenager understands you can draw anything you want with enough talent.

Of course the other point that comes into a lot of this is social class and location. What's a realistic expectation depends on who you are as much as the rest of society and how the world is. As a general rule for most of us normal types towards the bottom of the pyramid it's uncommon to find a really "hot" lover or mate. Looks are a social advantage and those who are good looking actually tend to gravitate towards the upper social brackets. Exceptions exist of course, but that's the general rule. After all when you think about it there are a LOT of porn stars, models, actresses, call girls, etc... out there. Most of them are however making a living off their looks, getting together with people that look for them, or getting involved seriously with people who have money, talent, or both. You'll also notice that the average looks of the population tends to vary depending on where you are, you go to say tourist areas and you'll notice a higher population of "the beautiful people" than elsewhere because those running the businesses there tend to hire appealing people to act as the face of their business. Areas of Vegas, Orlando, etc.. if you really look you'll notice plenty of average and below average looking people, but have a much easier time finding pretty faces among the residents and employees. Not to mention that while it's not guaranteed when two "beautiful people" have offspring it does increase the chances of the offspring hitting the "genetic lottery" so to speak. It can be somewhat odd but the funny thing is that some of these soap operas and such set in say Beverly Hills aren't being entirely unrealistic in having very good looking casts because that's where the money is and that is where a lot of these people congregate. On the other hand for the masses of plebes living in other places things aren't anything like that, since we mostly look for exceptions, and generally see ourselves dealing with normal or ugly looking people by these standards simply because they are the ones who haven't moved on to one of those other areas.

To put this into perspective, let's say your some jock with a million dollar a year trust fund living out on the west coast among various gated communities and the like. Your likely to be surrounded by beautiful women (or men if that's your thing) and can simply "score" with someone that looks like a model pretty easily, indeed you might really have such people throwing themselves at you, because your in good shape, and have enough money to provide for whomever your with very well. What's more your in an area where attractive people congregate specifically to try and score success with their looks. Likewise, you take a thousand dollars to Vegas you can probably score with a beautiful person easily, and it might even be one of those same porn stars we're talking about (some even offer to make private movies with people in general). Finding beautiful people is not difficult if you put in the effort, or have been blessed with the right benefits.

That said, as I pointed out, most kids don't have a firm grasp on this kind of reality despite what they might think, so of course them seeing porn is not usually wise. Unrealistic expectations on the other hand is also very subjective, and it's one of the reasons why I don't take a lot of the "SJW" stuff seriously. I do not begrudge people for having more, and better, opportunities than I do. Part of growing up for the average person is simply understanding that your reality is winding up with an average or ugly person, and being happy that you find someone you like and complement, that comes with time. For the most part those who complain about "unrealistic expectations" seem to be jealous over the fact that some people do get it all while they do not. To be honest I'd guess that you could probably consider 10% of the population (1 out of 10) people to be among "the beautiful people", it's just that they tend to congregate in very specific areas in large numbers so aren't seen as much through general society (though it does happen) giving the impression that really nice looks are a lot more rare than they actually are. You aren't going to get the "Baywatch" experience on your average public beach, but on certain private beaches? You'd probably be pleasantly surprised of course but, that isn't "for you" as one of the normal people so to speak.

To put it further into the grounds of personal experience, let's say you go to Foxwoods or Mohegan Sun where I used to work. Compare the waitresses and such that are assigned to the publically accessible casinos, even the high roller sections, to say the ones that are assigned if you reserve a private table, or wind up gambling at the top of the Pequot tower, or drinking in one of the private hotel bars also off ground level or so on. Ditto for porter services and other stuff, or say the beach crowd at a public beach like Ocean Beach, to some of the private beaches, or even move out of my old area of SE Connecticut to the wealthier parts of the state in a general sense.
 

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RJ 17 said:
CpT_x_Killsteal said:
Does it encourage becoming a NEET
Actual curiosity speaking: could you define "NEET"? I've only just recently seen this word pop up on occasion and while I have an understanding of what it means due to the context it's used in, I still don't know exactly what it means. :p
I believe it means No Education, Employment, or Training.
 

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Well I'm sure those expectations go out the window pretty soon after the first time. (That shocking discovery that women don't actually think choking on your dong is wonderful.)
 

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I'd rather porn suck away my primal sexual attraction to real people if it means I dont make a rash decision and end up knocking someone up or getting an STD because I was too horny to keep it in my pants.
This. Also masturbation is such an amazing tool for getting used to your sex organs. If you do it a lot and eventually have someone else to do it for you, you'll have a better idea of how to guide them and a better idea of what feels good and what doesn't.

But most of all, I appreciate simple things like looking into a girl's eyes and telling them that I love them. I appreciate the intimacy, I appreciate that it can be awkward and funny, I appreciate that I'm sharing an experience. If you regard the superficiality of the sexual experience as its most noteworthy aspect, it's pretty rich to say that porn is a bad thing.

KingsGambit said:
A man who uses it all the time instead of seeking actual sex with women will find that when he's confronted by a real woman he doesn't feel aroused by her. He may not feel the desire to pursue her, he may not know how to talk to her, to flirt or be able to perform if they did get frisky.
Why does a man need to seek actual sex with real women? If a man ends up using porn for the rest of his life and never dates anyone, why is that a bad thing? Why is it necessarily unhealthy? One could say that the opposite (sex addiction) is just as unhealthy, especially if it involves the abuse of others. You can't be certain of anyone's health just by a glance at things like these.
 

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Hentai is extremely far from reality so most people won't have a problem with avoiding putting the two together.
As for regular porn, other than size I guess the same thing applies.
 

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Risingblade said:
I'm still waiting for the day I see that in a hentai. .-.
Broaden your hentai horizons, or hentairizons, my friend.
 

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Well as far as I'm concerned it'd all be offset by proper, genuine sex education in schools.
You expect schools to start explaining positioning and orgasms and such? Real life isn't a Monty Python movie where John Cleese demonstrated with his wife how to do sex in front of a bored class. Nah, schools taught me that penis goes in vagina, and should probably be accompanied by a condom.
My school didn't even go to "What goes where" part. So yeah.
 

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A healthy, "sexually active" male should be interested in real life women. He should see a real woman and get an erection, want to have sex with her and pursue her. He should have sex with a woman and orgasm from the experience. If he prefers to be alone and get off on Internet films, live action or otherwise, it's his choice to make but it's not the healthier one.
I don't pretend to be an expert on human sexuality, but I think plenty of guys who watch porn are quite interested in having sex with a real life woman, but aren't able to achieve that with the snap of their fingers. I think that guys who 'prefer' porn over a flesh and blood woman are a pretty small minority of guys who watch porn. Not every guy is George Clooney and can just find a willing sex partner any time they want.

Anyway, sorry, but believing what you see in porn is basically the equivalent of watching a Jackie Chan movie and believing that Jackie really can beat up 40 dudes at one time. Porn is fantasy, primarily aimed at men, and fulfills what are pretty common male sexual fantasies: having sex with very attractive women, having a huge dick, being able to stay rock hard and go for long periods of time (BTW, apparently something like 90% of male porn stars nowadays use Viagra, Cialis, or some other performance enhancer), getting to do things sexually that most women won't do, and then after you cum, end scene! No pillow talk, no cuddling. It's just fantasy entertainment, that's really it.
 

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Lil devils x said:
Yes, There are issues associated, in fact there are already serious psychological issues in regards to those who are no longer attracted to actual human beings but instead are solely attracted to animations and this can greatly affect their ability to have actual healthy relationships. Due to the damaging affects this can have on ones life, they should seek counseling to help them overcome these issues since this is very difficult to do on ones own.
Let's set aside for a moment their taste in porn, or hentai in this case. You're saying anyone who isn't attracted to other real life people has some sort of serious issue and needs counseling? Or not being in a "healthy" relationship is inherently a bad thing? When it comes to individuals, 'healthy' is something we largely decide for ourselves, if someone doesn't ascribe to your idea of what is healthy, it doesn't mean they need to be tossed into a padded cell. Shocking as it may be, there are people who just don't want to date, and people who have no sex drive at all, that doesn't make them unhealthy, and it doesn't mean they need to be fixed.

If someone is only attracted to animated men/women there's nothing wrong with that. Not feeling the urge to sleep with everything that moves is not a mental illness.
Actually, yes this is an issue, and no it is not considered healthy or normal, and is a currently considered a condition treated with medication and counseling.

http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/paraphilias-overview
https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/paraphilias

If you are not qualified to diagnose mental illness, you should leave that up to those who are. Advising one to see a counselor or speak to their physician about these matters is the appropriate advice, as they then can allow those who are qualified to do so to determine if they need treatment and not some random person on the internet who thinks " hey I think it is healthy so it's okay!" to determine their health status. The long term affects this can have on ones life can be quite severe, so it should not be downplayed as something that should be ignored.
 

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Fieldy409 said:
Well I'm sure those expectations go out the window pretty soon after the first time. (That shocking discovery that women don't actually think choking on your dong is wonderful.)
Or that incredibly rare moment when something you thought only happens in porn happens in reality. (That moment when mid-coitus you accidentally try to go in the back door and she doesn't tell you to stop.)
 

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Let see a lot of things can give unrealistic expectations but a good majority can make tell the difference between fantasy and reality despite some overblown reactions and anecdotes.

Honestly hentai porn is the just the best the sheer disregard to basic anatomy is just so engaging like how and why and why do I not look away.

As for me I am aware that my chances of meet a hot snake women is zero percent and I shed tears about it every mourning and I accept this reality.

So do people get unrealistic but I think others have said it is in the small minority so if some has a body pillow whatever mind my own business, if they are a NEET well that is neat and I am currently working some gene splicing to get those tentacles sprouting powers in order so we will see where that goes.