Portal. A philosophical conundrum.

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OtherAlex

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Arguably from a Ontological point of view, the cake, though a lie, does is exist.

Lies exist.
The cake is a lie.
The cake, therefore, exists.

Though arguably this is purely within the world of the lexicon. The word and the concept exist, so I put it to you that the cake, like god, exists purely within the minds of those who believe in it.

Also, for an aside, If the cake is god, why does it allow suffering?

(also, for those people out there who try to read to much into everything because you have spent far too much time on these forums rather than between the sheets with a naked woman, this is purely for a lol)
 

Dorian

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Actually, I have found a flaw in your thinking. Lies do exist. But the cake is a lie. THE CAKE, HAS BECOME A LIE. It is a lie, not a lie about cake. Therefore, there is no cake.
 

OtherAlex

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Broken Wings said:
OtherAlex said:
Arguably from a Ontological point of view, the cake, though a lie, does is exist.

Lies exist.
The cake is a lie.
The cake, therefore, exists.

Though arguably this is purely within the world of the lexicon. The word and the concept exist, so I put it to you that the cake, like god, exists purely within the minds of those who believe in it.

Also, for an aside, If the cake is god, why does it allow suffering?

(also, for those people out there who try to read to much into everything because you have spent far too much time on these forums rather than between the sheets with a naked woman, this is purely for a lol)
Troll. Please leave us alone we don't take kindly to your kind around these parts.
Sigh. How is this trolling? I was just putting it to the masses. I even stated it was just for a lol?
 

Inverse Skies

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OtherAlex said:
(also, for those people out there who try to read to much into everything because you have spent far too much time on these forums rather than between the sheets with a naked woman, this is purely for a lol)
I object to that, I had a girlfriend for 2 years. The fact we broke up a few months ago doesn't matter.

I'll play along though... does calling something a lie give it substance so that it might exist? The lie exists, the object of the lie exists in the persons mind, so yes the cake does exist but not in a physical sense, more the idea of the cake exists. In Portal I would have thought the freedom at the end is the cake, in the sense the cake existed only in the persons mind and hence freedom was the cake.
 

OtherAlex

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It seems my metaphors have once again bitten me in the arse. *note to self, no more metaphors and similies on forums when bored.*
 
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If your going to go that far...

Technically neither the cake nor lies exsist, as those are just nouns we use to tag the object.

So you could argue that nothing actually exsists. The object exsists. But the name doesnt. Therefore neither the cake nor the lies exsist. Henceforeth God doesnt exsist as that is the noun we have used to tag the non entity.

Confused yet?
 

Smurfy 0151

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2 things...
1. If something is a lie, we empowering it by talking about it, thus making it not a lie

and 2
Dude, I just woke up...I can't think good first thing in the morning
 

Smurfy 0151

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Insert Funny Name Here said:
If your going to go that far...

Technically neither the cake nor lies exsist, as those are just nouns we use to tag the object.

So you could argue that nothing actually exsists. The object exsists. But the name doesnt. Therefore neither the cake nor the lies exsist. Henceforeth God doesnt exsist as that is the noun we have used to tag the non entity.

Confused yet?
That makes complete sense...in a 'wwwwhhhooooooaaaaa' kinda way
 

Geo Da Sponge

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Perception defines reality, so if we percieve a cake, than it must exist. Even purely as a figment of the imagination, it must exist somewhere for us to imagine it. Indeed, in the modern age of politics and economics, do lies in fact define reality more frequently and more accurately than the truth. Perhaps the truth of cake would be less pure than the lie, as a lie is just a concept, and cannot be tainted in anyway. Reality will always be imperfect.



Broken Wings said:
OtherAlex said:
Arguably from a Ontological point of view, the cake, though a lie, does is exist.

Lies exist.
The cake is a lie.
The cake, therefore, exists.

Though arguably this is purely within the world of the lexicon. The word and the concept exist, so I put it to you that the cake, like god, exists purely within the minds of those who believe in it.

Also, for an aside, If the cake is god, why does it allow suffering?

(also, for those people out there who try to read to much into everything because you have spent far too much time on these forums rather than between the sheets with a naked woman, this is purely for a lol)
Troll. Please leave us alone we don't take kindly to your kind around these parts.
Yes, how dare he create a thread for the amusement of all! Burn the troll and his humorous thinking!
 

lozzab

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Surely by your logic anything that is a lie must exist... Well I lied the other day about having billions of pounds in my bank account, now the richest man in the world ! :D (I realise that mere billions don't make me the richest but...)