Portal. A philosophical conundrum.

[Insert Funny Name Here]

Surely by your logic anything that is a lie must exist... Well I lied the other day about having billions of pounds in my bank account, now the richest man in the world ! (I realise that mere billions don't make me the richest but...)

No, he's saying the concept of lieing exsists. Not that the lies told are true.

 

[Pyre00]

But...how am I going to stop some big mean mother hubber from tearin me a structurally superflous new behind?

 

[NinjaSkills]

I think the back of my head just exploded

 

[Sgt. Dante]

Surely by your logic anything that is a lie must exist... Well I lied the other day about having billions of pounds in my bank account, now the richest man in the world ! (I realise that mere billions don't make me the richest but...)

No, he's saying the concept of lieing exsists. Not that the lies told are true.

Surely that then means that the concept of cake exists, to say that lies exist to begin with is innacurate, not being a physical thing you could argue it's nonexistencial nature.

Ergo, The cake is a lie
Lies Possibly exist
ergo the cake possibly exists.

 

[Danny Ocean]

Wait a sec. Lies can exist, but that doesn't mean that the cake exists. There can be a lie about the cake being real. That's a lie which exists. The cake doesn't have to exist.

I'm am the king of coherency.

 

[Captain Blackout]

Also, for an aside, If the cake is god, why does it allow suffering?

God is good. Suffering is neither inherently good or evil. Prevention of all suffering is evil. The suffering God prevents we never know about, (okay, well I do, but I've seen the world where the 4th reich rules the world.) The cake is good. The cake is a lie. Good is a lie. We are all f'ed.

 

[Insert Funny Name Here]

Surely by your logic anything that is a lie must exist... Well I lied the other day about having billions of pounds in my bank account, now the richest man in the world ! (I realise that mere billions don't make me the richest but...)

No, he's saying the concept of lieing exsists. Not that the lies told are true.

Surely that then means that the concept of cake exists, to say that lies exist to begin with is innacurate, not being a physical thing you could argue it's nonexistencial nature.

Ergo, The cake is a lie
Lies Possibly exist
ergo the cake possibly exists.

Seeing as he was relating this arguement to the exsistence of god, I think that makes sense. Dont you? lol.

 

[Geo Da Sponge]

But...how am I going to stop some big mean mother hubber from tearin me a structurally superflous new behind?

Use gun.

And if tha' don't work?

Use more gun.

 

[Sgt. Dante]

Surely by your logic anything that is a lie must exist... Well I lied the other day about having billions of pounds in my bank account, now the richest man in the world ! (I realise that mere billions don't make me the richest but...)

No, he's saying the concept of lieing exsists. Not that the lies told are true.

Surely that then means that the concept of cake exists, to say that lies exist to begin with is innacurate, not being a physical thing you could argue it's nonexistencial nature.

Ergo, The cake is a lie
Lies Possibly exist
ergo the cake possibly exists.

Seeing as he was relating this arguement to the exsistence of god, I think that makes sense. Dont you? lol.

yes, cake exsists in the same way god does. purely as a theory, surely cake in some form, somewhere MAY exist, much like god.

But proving it is the tricky part.

 

[Daveman]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

cake + naked woman = very messy sheets

 

[Insert Funny Name Here]

Surely by your logic anything that is a lie must exist... Well I lied the other day about having billions of pounds in my bank account, now the richest man in the world ! (I realise that mere billions don't make me the richest but...)

No, he's saying the concept of lieing exsists. Not that the lies told are true.

Surely that then means that the concept of cake exists, to say that lies exist to begin with is innacurate, not being a physical thing you could argue it's nonexistencial nature.

Ergo, The cake is a lie
Lies Possibly exist
ergo the cake possibly exists.

Seeing as he was relating this arguement to the exsistence of god, I think that makes sense. Dont you? lol.

yes, cake exsists in the same way god does. purely as a theory, surely cake in some form, somewhere MAY exist, much like god.

But proving it is the tricky part.

I am really confused about how I understand every word of that and how I think it makes perfect sense... -.-

 

[C4azyMik3]

"twitch""twitch"...what?

 

[lozzab]

Well if we're gonna get all metaphysical about it, then surely since everything (thinkable or not) has the possibility of existing and existence is infinite (eg, either time is infinite or there are an infinite number of universes etc... from a 'logical' point of view the two do sorta come together in some form as a basic axiom), everything will at some point in some form exist... perhaps not here at the moment but thats not entirely relevant (or perhaps is the whole point, I guess it rather depends how you look at it)

 

[mrpenguinismyhomeboy]

But then the cake doesn't exist objectively. It only exist as long as we know its not a lie. But wait... are you saying that as long as we believe the cake to exist that it would physically exist and the fact that we didn't find it is completely coincidental? And because we now think the cake is a lie there is no way we're going to find it because we're not going to look for it because its a lie. So the cake really did exist? We just thought it was a lie and stopped looking for it?

Use gun.

And if tha' don't work?

Use more gun.

Wise words.

 

[Pauper]

Arguably from a Ontological point of view, the cake, though a lie, does is exist.

Lies exist.
The cake is a lie.
The cake, therefore, exists.

Sadly, you have here committed the first-year philosophy student error of confusing the 'is' of predication with the 'is' of identity. The problem comes that the manner in which 'exist' is used in the major premise isn't matched with the usage of 'is' in the minor premise. Another example makes the problem clearer:

My cat Fluffy is an animal.
Animals have walked the earth for millions of years prior to the existence of humans.
My cat Fluffy has walked the earth for millions of years prior to the existence of humans.

Clearly, the argument is nonsensical.

(also, for those people out there who try to read to much into everything because you have spent far too much time on these forums rather than between the sheets with a naked woman, this is purely for a lol)

You have also apparently committed the non-philosophy student fallacy that people who take language seriously are incapable of sustaining human relationships, and the best measure of this capacity is the amount of sex a particular person is having. In fact, there are only two scientifically proven positive correlations to the frequency of sex for male humans:

- Amount of alcohol consumed by the female humans in close proximity.
- Degree of the male human's resemblance to Brad Pitt.

One fairly recent and surprising negative correlation, however, is the degree to which the male human uses internet abbreviations (such as 'lol') as if they were actual English words. Frankly, I fear for the future of the race if this research proves true after additional analysis.

 

[ZeroMachine]

.... Huh?

I put it much more simply.

The cake is not a lie. GLaDOS is just a greedy ***** and wants it all to herself.

 

[Bibliomancer]

Unfortunately, this is an example of a Non Sequitur, a type of logical flaw. It is like me saying cats have 4 legs, my pet has 4 legs, therefore my pet is a cat. I have a dog, however, thus proving that the argument is false.

 

[Aptspire]

I have a link where it's extremely analysed
you won't believe how it turns out
[link]http://www.game-ism.com/2008/04/04/still-alive-shes-free/[/link]

 

[ElephantGuts]

What is the point of your making this point? No one argued that the cake doesn't exist, they only said it was a lie. So thank you for the clarification but there is no real argument to make.

And the cake is in no way a god.