In that case, could've reasoned that the bullies could be arrested for the wiretapping as well (saying they were the root cause of said wiretapping). Kid could've taken the bastards down with him if the argument's convincing enough.twistedmic said:
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You should just back out this argument now. You clearly have no idea how the law works and are just basing your argument on emotion rather than fact, whilst simultaneously derailing your own thread.DarklordKyo said:
I remember this wiretapping case, absolutely disgusting.DarklordKyo said:
If we are talking about the same case, he wasn't recording his tormenters saying embarassing things or anything like that. He was trying to prove that he was being bullied. Maybe it's a different but similar case, but google pops what I thought when I typed 'wiretapping bully'.
What went down was that this special-ed student was being verbually abused and assaulted, but the school did nothing and did not believe him. So the student records himself with an Ipad being bullied in front of the class with the teacher doing absolutely nothing, The school loses its shit and calls the cops, and he gets charged with felony wiretapping.
He might have wanted to get back at the bullies, of course who wouldn't, but most importantly he was trying to save himself and wanted the school to believe him, thinking it would help. In the end, the kid had his charged reduced to disorderly conduct and was found guilty. Why weren't the bullies charged with harassment? Beats me.
After that Affluenza asshole got only ten years of probation for DUI-caused manslaughter, I stopped getting surprised. Seriously, anyone else would've gotten at least a few years in jail, yet this asshole gets to stay out of jail that time on the grounds of "he was too spoiled, he didn't know any better."A Fork said:
Maybe there are other factors that I don't know about (as was established, I'm not that knowledgeable about law), but still bullcrap. Either way, it was established that the thread got derailed, and it shouldn't go any further off the rails.
Martial arts won't much help you defend yourself in a real fight. They teach you how to throw a punch and a kick, but in general you won't become a UFC fighter taking some after school lessons. You want to defend yourself? Against one guy, fight dirty; real dirty. Against more than one? You pretty much have no chance. Against a weapon? You're dead.
But it's good exercise, the philosophies are interesting and help expand your world-view, and it's fun to punch things. But self-defense? No. You want to learn how to win fights? You have to fight. You don't fight in a karate dojo.
I don't know what your mom is on about with donating blood. Unless you have a blood disorder, there's really no reason NOT to. Hospitals need blood, like, all the time.
There are such things as good Samaritan laws that protect people trying to help from unruly consequences. Mostly I believe they apply to people giving CPR or preventing suicides.
But it's good exercise, the philosophies are interesting and help expand your world-view, and it's fun to punch things. But self-defense? No. You want to learn how to win fights? You have to fight. You don't fight in a karate dojo.
I don't know what your mom is on about with donating blood. Unless you have a blood disorder, there's really no reason NOT to. Hospitals need blood, like, all the time.
There are such things as good Samaritan laws that protect people trying to help from unruly consequences. Mostly I believe they apply to people giving CPR or preventing suicides.
A quick search and read through of stories that came up show that first the charges were reduced to a misdemeanor and then dropped altogether.A Fork said:
I think her reason is possibly getting a needle that was used (even though they dispose all needles), don't quote me on that, don't quite remember.Kolby Jack said:
Statistically speaking, you want three things out of martial arts, in more or less this order:
1) Physical fitness. Almost certain to actually extend your natural lifespan.
2) Learn to fall/roll. Significantly reduces injuries in the sort of everyday accidents that happen far more often than melee combat.
3) Attitude. Martial artists get into less fights. The simple lack of intimidation is enough to discourage most petty bullies.
At a distant fourth, I would suggest restraint techniques; locks and pins. Wrestling, Jujitsu, Aikido, that sort of thing. The average attacker is drunk off his ass and utterly incompetent. Nobody gets successfully sued for simply restraining a belligerent.
...Oh, and it's true that most martial arts and martial artists aren't actually much use for street fighting. The only thing that IMO really helps is experiencing a variety of wildly different forms so that you can start to pick out the strengths and weaknesses of each. For instance, people who train exclusively in sporting arts tend to develop (or are literally trained into) blind spots around the rules of their sport; they don't know what to do when their opponent breaks those rules. But people who train without ever sparring never hone the competitive edge; it's almost like they don't know what to do when their opponent fights back at all.
1) Physical fitness. Almost certain to actually extend your natural lifespan.
2) Learn to fall/roll. Significantly reduces injuries in the sort of everyday accidents that happen far more often than melee combat.
3) Attitude. Martial artists get into less fights. The simple lack of intimidation is enough to discourage most petty bullies.
At a distant fourth, I would suggest restraint techniques; locks and pins. Wrestling, Jujitsu, Aikido, that sort of thing. The average attacker is drunk off his ass and utterly incompetent. Nobody gets successfully sued for simply restraining a belligerent.
...Oh, and it's true that most martial arts and martial artists aren't actually much use for street fighting. The only thing that IMO really helps is experiencing a variety of wildly different forms so that you can start to pick out the strengths and weaknesses of each. For instance, people who train exclusively in sporting arts tend to develop (or are literally trained into) blind spots around the rules of their sport; they don't know what to do when their opponent breaks those rules. But people who train without ever sparring never hone the competitive edge; it's almost like they don't know what to do when their opponent fights back at all.
Youre really overthinking this. Ive done different martial arts for nearly 20 years now. Started karate but moved on to brazilian Jui Jitsu boxing, kick boxing and mma. Ive competed a couple of times in my 20s so was training 4 times a week plus fitness training at one point.DarklordKyo said:
For the most part we do not live in the wild west or rival schools. I dont fight without gloves and a ref. Ive had to fight my way out of a room once in my life but that was at work where I supervise high risk offenders. So Ive "used" my training for about 30 seconds in 20 years... because of my unusual job. Id recommend anyone to train. It kept me out of the hospital or worse.
There was a good 6 month investigation over my actions but I was cleared of any wrong doing. Sometimes violent offenders are violent. Who knew?
So Id say do it. More than learning to fight you gain confidence, fitness, a new hobby, new friends... You may decide to compete or teach down the line. You could decide you just want to train, or even that its not for you. You dont know if you dont try.
As far as getting in trouble for defence? Ill be tried by 12 before Im carried by 6.
Yeah, see .... assault is a crime. Can't just go around punching random people. Sure, you can argue attenuating circumstances ... but if it happens a lot the book and the rest of the bookshelf will be thrown at you. At least that's how it works here.DarklordKyo said:
The story I read said he was found guilty of the lesser charge. Thank goodness he wasn't. That would have been twisting the knife in the back.twistedmic said:
1. Taking Kung Fu classes will not necessarily mean you're Iron Fist or even a general badass. In all likelyhood you'd probably turn out more like Kick Ass's first attempt... in the hospital and broken. I'm saying this because one thing you learn about fighting is that there's always someone better at it than you out there, and martial arts classes don't always mean you can kick anyone's ass. You might be able to defend yourself, but jumping into an unknown situation is a terrible idea.
2. If you happen to encounter a situation where someone's being assaulted, call the cops first, that's their job not yours. Its one thing to defend yourself or friends/family/etc., its another to jump in for a stranger. I'm just reiterating how terrible an idea it is to jump into the situation with unknown variables. The assaulter might have a gun, might have a knife. And all the training in the world may not stop you from getting stabbed or shot.
Life isn't a movie or a game, there are serious consequences for the things you choose to do, some good, some bad. Take the classes for yourself if you want to do them, but if you're planning on getting involved in fighting crime, expect to end up hospitalized or dead. You aren't a cop, so its not your damn job.
2. If you happen to encounter a situation where someone's being assaulted, call the cops first, that's their job not yours. Its one thing to defend yourself or friends/family/etc., its another to jump in for a stranger. I'm just reiterating how terrible an idea it is to jump into the situation with unknown variables. The assaulter might have a gun, might have a knife. And all the training in the world may not stop you from getting stabbed or shot.
Life isn't a movie or a game, there are serious consequences for the things you choose to do, some good, some bad. Take the classes for yourself if you want to do them, but if you're planning on getting involved in fighting crime, expect to end up hospitalized or dead. You aren't a cop, so its not your damn job.
I would like to point out that donating blood actually tends to IMPROVE your health, not decrease it. Regular donation of blood results in stronger cardiovascualr system, better recovery after blood loss, less chances of blood clotting problems and better regulation of iron levels in blood. On top of that, you also get free tests for most transmittable diseases as they have to test your blood to accept donation.DarklordKyo said:
Going to a Kung Fu school wouldn't change that, though. You could still be attacked or sued either way.DarklordKyo said:
Also, what is this greater good you and your dad are talking about, cause that doesn't sound good.
To be perfectly honest, I worded it wrong. By that, I meant possibly helping someone that was in danger (as opposed to most people just standing around).Thaluikhain said:
If you want to do that, I'd recommend a first aid course.DarklordKyo said:
And, mind you, in any case, people don't stand around due to a lack of theoretical training. It's a normal reaction.
You want to protect people for the greater good? I did that. A group of guys were ganging up on an old man, in broad daylight no less. I warned them I'd call the police if they did anything and they ran off. No martial arts training or violence was needed.DarklordKyo said:
These situations are often far more complicated than the usual purse-stealing thugs that Batman beats up at night. Often, it's hard to tell if violence is even going to break out. You don't want to be the guy who rushes in, fists flying, over what turned out to be nothing more than a mere argument.
Like everyone else on here, I suggest you take the Kung Fu class. Confidence can actually help reduce violence. Fear can push people into a fight-or-flight response, whereas confidence can counteract that and help you keep a cool head. I understand you don't want to be another victim of the Bystander Effect. If that's the case, then call the police when you see trouble. It's far more than what most people do.
I believe that the best way to prevent humans from becoming irrelevant, while making sure that robots have the same values that we do, is to ?fuse? humans and robots (i.e. uploading our consciousness into a machine) instead of creating independent entities. Otherwise I don?t believe it would take them very long to realize that we are more of a threat than a friend.