Post-Avengers: Marvel's Cinematic Universe

[Ambitiousmould]

I'd also like to see a Black Panther movie.

Seconded, a Black Panther Movie would rule.

 

[Robetid]

I am pretty excited for the second wave of Avengers movies. While the first wave were mostly introductory movies I'm hoping they use the second wave to lead up to Avengers 2 a little better. I would love to see a hawkeye stand alone movie. I'd also like to see them cameo or start intergrating the two sides of the marvel universe (x-men and avengers, but with the revamped x-men) especially with talk of a Black Panther in the works. That might be a little wishful thhinking but the marvel civil war would be awesome to see on screen.

 

[Johnny Impact]

I'm more curious to know just how far they're going to take the Marvel cinematic universe. They've already said that the Ant-Man movie will be the first in phase 3 following The Avengers 2. How far Marvel, how far?

Until the money runs out. Simple as that.

OT: I don't know. I have to give them props for ambition, quality, and forward planning. I've never seen a series of movies with such tie-ins. For me what's most surprising is the movies have stayed not only good but very good. Thor, Iron Man, Captain America, Avengers are all top-shelf popcorn munchers. I hope they keep it up.

 

[Blunderboy]

Wow for once the UK gets a film before the US?
I saw Iron Man 3 last Friday, and it's pretty bloody amazing.
Tony has grown, and after The Avengers, that makes a lot of sense.

 

[flarty]

Meh I'll watch them, I'll enjoy them ,but they are nothing more than popcorn flicks, a bit of fluff. Nothing to be taken seriously, i wouldn't even class it is art like i do other movies.

 

[Baron von Blitztank]

I enjoyed Iron Man 3. Admittedly it was kind of weak as a sequel to The Avengers but for what it was it performed quite well.

Thor: The Dark World looks pretty awesome, although I'm hoping for a better villain than what happened in Iron Man 3. No idea on how Captain America: Winter Soldier will fare, but I LOVED the first movie so I'm looking forward to it. I'm also really psyched for Guardians of The Galaxy. All I know is that they have this guy in it:


Which if done well, makes this movie abso-friggin-lutely AWESOME!

 

[takemeouttotheblack]

Ah, I'm psyched for Thor 2, if I'm honest. Despite the success of Iron Man, I really prefer Captain America and especially the original Thor as films, and I think that it's got the most to work with in a post-Avengers world, given the stuff between Loki and Thor, as well as the fact that Thor didn't really get in contact with Jane during the Avengers, not to mention the prospect of more Loki and Idris Elba, Chris Ecclestone, and the Thor love triangle possibly open. And generally Thor's art style is really cool.

As for Avengers 2, I would suspect that it'll be about the Avengers going properly head to head, especially perhaps as some of them question whether they have lives beyond being superheroes, with respective other halves.

Re. Iron Man 3, certainly not awful, but a bit thin on the ground at times, and a bit too much focus on the comedy over the drama. But still not bad.

 

[Sandernista]

Ah, I'm psyched for Thor 2, if I'm honest. Despite the success of Iron Man, I really prefer Captain America and especially the original Thor as films

YES! I'm more excited for Dark World and Winter Soldier then any other film for phase 2. We're getting Dr. Strange! DR. STRANGE!

I'm also pretty psyched for Ant-Man, but only if Hank and Jan are major characters. Hank Pym is one of my favorite characters when he's used right. (Which is practically never)

 

[Deathlyphil]

I thought Iron Man 3 was damn good.

I liked that Stark was affected by the events of The Avengers. Unlike the other heroes in that film (bar the Hulk), Tony is just a normal guy. Sure he's a genius, but he is not, and has never been a soldier. He hasn't been trained for frontline combat. Hell, even those that HAVE been trained for frontline combat get PTSD.

 

[takemeouttotheblack]

Ah, I'm psyched for Thor 2, if I'm honest. Despite the success of Iron Man, I really prefer Captain America and especially the original Thor as films

YES! I'm more excited for Dark World and Winter Soldier then any other film for phase 2. We're getting Dr. Strange! DR. STRANGE!

I'm also pretty psyched for Ant-Man, but only if Hank and Jan are major characters. Hank Pym is one of my favorite characters when he's used right. (Which is practically never)

Yeah, Dr Strange should be really good. Depends obviously who they cast in the main role, of the top of my head, someone like Luke Evans. Winter soldier should be really good, as long as they sort out the costume.

 

[IamLEAM1983]

I'm more curious to know just how far they're going to take the Marvel cinematic universe. They've already said that the Ant-Man movie will be the first in phase 3 following The Avengers 2. How far Marvel, how far?

Howard the Duck far?

God. I hope not.

Seriously, though, there's several characters they're still virtually sitting on. Namor, Apocalypse, Doctor Strange, etc. The one danger they're facing is over-exposure. Eventually, the superhero movie bubble will burst. Trends will change, and they'll have to adapt.

 

[shrekfan246]

Having seen Iron Man 3 already I'm not particularly impressed with the Marvel horizon, which has expanded too broadly in my opinion. I can't believe the movie belongs to the same reality as the first film. Imagine the first Iron Man movie with aliens and interdimensional gods. Everytime they were brought up in IM3, Tony would cringe like he didn't want to talk about the aliens because he had PTSD. I cringed because my mind wouldn't allow the wacky Thor universe to co-exist with the farely grounded IM universe.

At this point we have superheroes, mutants, Norse gods, aliens, giants and we're looking forward to anthropomorphic raccoons and ant-sized people - all of them framed from alternate history WWII to the modern-day USA vs. terrorism scenario. I cannot suspend my disbelief any longer.

Welcome to comic books. They definitely aren't for everyone.

I, however, eat this shit up.

I thought we were talking movies, not comic books.

... Where do you think the ideas for these movies come from? They are from the same universe as the comics, they are not "gritty re-imaginings" so the wackier stuff is still going to be used.

That's great but as I said before, we were discussing movies, not comic books. Just because something works in one medium doesn't automatically translate in another medium. Likewise, there's no sacred pledge regarding adaptation. Just because your source material is one way doesn't condemn the adaptation into being the same. Comics can be kitsch and campy in ways modern-day movies can't. Not without being cringey and awkward.

Agreed. The crazy, hyper-connected realities of comics are one of the biggest reasons I just can't follow them in the first place, I don't want them trying to bring that into movies because it's just going to fall apart eventually.

 

[ejrocksthisworld]

This is somewhat off topic, but I have been watching The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes (pretty good animated show, entire series is on Netflix) which has opened my eyes to characters such as Ant-Man and Black Panther. Although I see Ant-Man as a MUST HAVE for the continuation of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, I find myself intrigued more-so to the idea of a Black Panther movie and eventual inclusion into The Avengers. I know a film adaptation has received the green light for production, but I wonder if they can capture the essence of Black Panther with a PG-13 label, or if they will be forced to up the rating to R? I don't read comics (have only read one marvel comic on Spider-girl and a volume of The Walking Dead) so I don't know how his character is portrayed in the comics, but it would seem to me that Black Panther as a film adaptation would be far more violent than most other comic to film adaptations we have seen thus far.
Also, I watched the Dr. Strange animated film on Netflix and found his character to be interesting as well, but it would seem that he (and his clan of sorcerers) is way over-powered compared to most of the other members of The Avengers and am not quite sure how they would fit his character into the Marvel Cinematic Universe

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

At this point we have superheroes, mutants, Norse gods, aliens, giants and we're looking forward to anthropomorphic raccoons and ant-sized people - all of them framed from alternate history WWII to the modern-day USA vs. terrorism scenario. I cannot suspend my disbelief any longer.

Then I guess you have to miss out.

Because so far, the way they've portrayed all of these universes together makes them entirely believable within the context of that world, to be honest. The humans aren't 100% useless like in some of the comics, they reacted to the arrival of all these metahumans the same way that our government might: by setting up an organization to keep track of them and try to keep control over them (SHIELD). The heroes all have limitations to their powers that make it possible for them to get close to defeat. And their worlds don't directly contradict each other, rather they complement each other spectacularly. Like having Stark's father be involved in the creation of Captain America, or the constant meddling of SHIELD in various events. It all fits together pretty well, actually.

Seeing Howard in Capt. America was a nice touch. Tacking on SHIELD and the end of every movie is... a bit laughable.


Obviously Marvel has gone to great extents to render its universe if not realistic at the very least possible. What I'm saying is, the more movies they make, the further our suspense of disbelief stretches to the point of snapping. Batman taught us how to stomach superheroes "realistically", and so Iron Man did exactly that in its first movie. But since Thor I've had a problem with the franchise. I mean, imagine if in the third Batman movie, suddenly, ALIENS. That's how I've felt since The Avengers. I just don't believe the Tony Stark from the first movie got to ally himself with gods, mutants and defrosted super soldiers from alternate WWII to fight against Norse-like gods from outer space. And talking anthropomorphic raccoons, it seems. Coming soon.

 

[Goofguy]

I'm more curious to know just how far they're going to take the Marvel cinematic universe. They've already said that the Ant-Man movie will be the first in phase 3 following The Avengers 2. How far Marvel, how far?

Howard the Duck far?

God. I hope not.

Seriously, though, there's several characters they're still virtually sitting on. Namor, Apocalypse, Doctor Strange, etc. The one danger they're facing is over-exposure. Eventually, the superhero movie bubble will burst. Trends will change, and they'll have to adapt.

I take it you read that Cracked article from yesterday? Pretty good read, lots of good points.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

I'm sort of confused as to how people don't get how the Universe gels together. I mean, the first Iron Man predates the events all the other films bar the first Cap' film, Stark wouldn't have been aware of most of that stuff. Besides, it's not like Iron Man was anything like the gritty Nolanverse Batman, he has some magic reactor shit lodged in his chest. His suit is red and gold and he has a freaking robot butler. How is that easier to buy than aliens?

I don't want the Marvel film universe to be grounded, I want it to be fun and a bit goofy. Nolan's Batman was great, but I don't want all my superheroes to be like that. Bring me spaceracoons! I'm not all that worried about it being bad- So far most of the films have handled everything pretty well, even Thor. I'm most excited for Cap 2 though, the first is, in my opinion, the best Marvel film.

If suspension of disbelief is a problem for you here, then you're approaching the movies in completely the wrong way.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Seeing Howard in Capt. America was a nice touch. Tacking on SHIELD and the end of every movie is... a bit laughable.

Not really. SHIELD is essentially a world-wide a government organization meant to keep tabs on the various metahumans that show up in the universe, good and evil. It would make far less sense for them NOT to be in every movie as that implies they're just letting these super-powered humans run around freely.

It's okay to not like SHIELD as a concept, but it's silly to suggest that an organization whose sole purpose is to keep tabs on these heroes shouldn't be present in movies about these heroes.

Obviously Marvel has gone to great extents to render its universe if not realistic at the very least possible. What I'm saying is, the more movies they make, the further our suspense of disbelief stretches to the point of snapping. Batman taught us how to stomach superheroes "realistically"

*cough* What?

The Batman in Nolan's universe is perhaps even less believable than the universe Marvel has created, actually.

He takes loads of physical abuse which only seems to affect him for a few minutes on-screen before he's essentially back to normal (which is blown to almost a comic level of disbelief in the third movie when Bane supposedly "cripples" him, and he uncripples himself through sheer willpower and the aid of ancient back-correcting techniques of the Middle East).

He's able to hide multi-million dollar technology from the local law enforcement agencies, and not a single person suspects that maybe the only major corporation in the entire city with military contracts and hardware is the one funding this guy who has military hardware. All they'd have to do is track their money movement (as that one shifty guy in the second movie did) and they'd have the entire company by the balls. Not to mention the various times he's destroyed property in the city (interesting how the cops don't care about that) or destroyed his own vehicles, only to have them fully refurbished and better than ever in short order.

And let's not even get into the inherent problems with the third movie's core premise and its later acts, which are laughably implausible on nearly every level.

I'm not saying that Batman isn't enjoyable as a concept, I'm saying if you can accept Batman despite the sheer implausibility of his very existence in any sort of "real" world, then you can suck it up and stretch your disbelief for the Marvel universe. Iron Man is in a similar situation to Batman and yet is honestly more plausible as a "real" character than Batman is. And I know it's gonna piss Batman fans off to say that, but it's the truth.

But since Thor I've had a problem with the franchise. I mean, imagine if in the third Batman movie, suddenly, ALIENS. That's how I've felt since The Avengers. I just don't believe the Tony Stark from the first movie got to ally himself with gods, mutants and defrosted super soldiers from alternate WWII to fight against Norse-like gods from outer space. And talking anthropomorphic raccoons, it seems. Coming soon.

So I'm guessing you're going to be unable to enjoy the Justice League, either?

Because in that, your "realistic" Batman allies with aliens from several worlds, as well as numerous scientists capable of adjusting their speed or size beyond human limitations, etc. And together they fight alien warlords, hyper-intelligent AIs, and any number of other creatures of myth and legend.

You need to learn to adjust to the world that the movie is in. It hardly matters if the world is "real", it's a fricking comic book story and you need to watch it with that in mind.

I still find it more plausible than some alcoholic playboy sticking a makeshift battery into his chest and electrically powering himself into super heroism with "the rarest metal in the world" or something along those lines (unobtanium for all I care).

 

[Beautiful Tragedy]

I guess you prolly don't wanna hear that Marvel, Fox and paramount(?) are trying to ink a deal to have some "shared aspects" to their film worlds. Marvel wants to be able to use whomever they like.