Potentially beneficial results from the xbone going down in flames.

[Roxor]

dir/w
cd games
cd battlechess
dir.exe
bcrun
(what? No sound?)
*exit game*
dir.exe
config
Sound Effects
Select Soundblaster Compatiable
Test
Channel 1
Channel 2
Apply
OK
Music Settings
Select Soundblaster Compatiable
Test
Channel 1
Channel 2
Apply
OK
Save settings
Exit
dir.exe
bcrun
(Hooray! I have sound and it works!)

Damn, you've got me all nostalgic for twenty years ago. Or two weeks ago with DOSBox.

 

[Zetatrain]

I can't even remember the last time I had to go search for an update or patch for a PC game. Do we have to download updates yes, but so does my sons 360. I built my current PC in 2010 and I did not buy the most expensive components at the time. I am still playing everything that's out there at max settings. When I started PC gaming in 93 yes there was some headaches but seriously I think that modern PC games don't have the same issues and are 100% better in terms of them working at the click of a mouse. I prefer PC over console because I can do many more things with it than just games. Yes it might be more than a console but it can do a lot more for that money.

As someone who also primarily played on the PC around that time I agree. After repeated software and hardware problems, along with the fact that my parents weren't upgrading the computer anymore, I switched to the console.

Up until like 4-5 years ago I actually still believed gaming on the PC was like the way it was back then and that the prices for the hardware upgrades were not worth it. However, during college, I got a laptop that could run some current gen games on low settings and decide to dabble in PC gaming again. Thanks to Steam, the internet, and a friend of mine I discovered that PC gaming is not nearly as much of a headache as it used to be.

Two weeks I ago I got my first gaming PC and while I'll still be using consoles for exclusives, I'm switching back to the PC as my primary platform (assuming all goes well). For me its not that consoles have gotten worse so much as PCs have gotten better to the point that their Pros outweigh the Cons.

However, I still maintain the stance that consoles, as far as the hardware issues are concerned, are more convenient. Even after reading and watching multiple tutorials on how to build a PC I still opted to buy one from retail simply because I don't feel confident enough to build one.

The truth is that I feel I'll make some stupid mistake like short out one of the components or crack the motherboard. Even those good with computers aren't immune to novice mistakes. I have a friend who is a PC enthusiast and a few years ago he made two very stupid mistakes. He wanted to upgrade the RAM on his Desktop, simple enough right? Well apparently his first mistake was that he bought RAM for a laptop. Now instead of exchanging it at the store he decide to just give the RAM to me since my laptop could use it (I guess he just had money to burn). However after installing it my laptop would not boot up. Apparently, the second mistake he made was that he forgot to take out the laptop battery and ended up shorting out the RAM when he installed it (at least I think that's what happened).

I feel like I can upgrade the components, but building one from scratch just still seems overwhelming.

 

[siomasm]

I half expect Titanfall will go cross platform within a year, anyway. Things really don't look good for XBone from what I've seen. Only the most delusional Microsoft fanboys are really defending it.

Things look bad for the Xbox One? What universe are you living in?

And half of them aren't.
Which means the Xbox One is still selling despite every escapist's prayers to the contrary.

To think that the Xbox one simply wouldn't sell at all is unrealistic, of course it's going to sell, but is it going to reach the numbers that microsoft wants? In an industry where they have insane goals and often think they will meet them by force of sheer will (or ignorance) I sincerely doubt the Xbox one is going to make a profit with all of the skeptics lined up against it.
I would take any overflowing optimism articles with a healthy dose of skepticism. They're willing to say or do anything at this point (And by extension have anyone else say or do) to make the Xbone look less than a huge mistake.

It will probably make millions, but with production, advertisement, contractual obligations distribution, so on etc I wouldn't be surprised if they spent billions on the project that won't recoup even 75% of the investment.

@Console war vs PC
There will always be a place for consoles, though debatably smart phones are in a sense becoming their own intermediate console. Simple, easy to use fun games that might draw people into the industry. I don't think consoles are ever going to go away, but I certainly hope they trim the fat (Like the understated Wii U).

 

[Chris Tian]

Honestly I think if there is one good thing that could come from this its the message it would send:

"Dear AAA gaming industry,

we, the gamers, are done getting screwed over. You can no longer cram as much bullshit, thats bad and inconvinient for us and good and convenient for you, as you want in your products. We will just stop buying them, even big name things like the XBox.

Additionally its time to realise that there are a few consumer demographics your marketing teams just made up, for example the guys that will buy the Xbox1 mainly because it lets you use your TV with its voice command and gameing as an afterthought.

Love, the gaming communtity"

 

[Vylox]

Implying that consoles are some crutch in which the entire industry stands on is silly. It's just not true. Video games began on the PC for Christ's sake.

I don't think you really get it. We NEED consoles to INTRODUCE people to gaming on PC. Dear god.

And insulting me does not help your argument.

Financially, no, consoles are not important, what I meant was on a social aspect. I have worked at a goddamn Fry's store, I know people buy PC games and for gaming. I know this. But not as many as you think, PC's for gaming do not sell nearly as much as consoles, whether you like it or not.

It's not even about sales, more about knowledge. There is a huge percentage of people who think all games are made for consoles only.

This is simple social science.

I don't care what steam's or origin's numbers are: Consoles. Are. Important. To. The. Industry. For. Getting. More. People. Into. It.

Tell that to the Android games that have 200+million downloads and 90+ million active players.
Tell that to the 70 million copies of Diablo that were sold.
Tell that to the 130 million copies of star craft 2 that have been sold.
Tell that to the MMORPGs that boast profits that Microsoft and Sony can't even dream about collecting, along with their 2+ billion players worldwide.
Not to mention the fact that there are more Android and iOS phones (of either OS) than all of every generation console combined.

Consoles aren't needed to bring eooke into video games, and you can not base that kind of assumption on the fact that you see fewer people buying PC games from stores, especially considering that something like 97% of PC games aren't sold in physical stores with physical copies being available.

This is simple supply and demand combined with social science combined with availability with some cost concerns thrown in.

Let me ask you thus. If you already have. $200-400 phones that boasts equal processing power to these new 400-500$ consoles, and start comparing the prices of games (free to $20 compared to the $60+ for consoles) along side the ability to play those games ANYWHERE you damn well please instead of only in 1 location... which ones is drawing in more people to play games ¿

I know for a fact that there are people who do not own, or have never owned a console, who regularly okay games on their phones and PCs.

Consoles are a thing if the past, and its about time that people come to grips with it. And they seriously and definitely are NOT a requirement to bring in more gamers.

 

[Saltyk]

I half expect Titanfall will go cross platform within a year, anyway. Things really don't look good for XBone from what I've seen. Only the most delusional Microsoft fanboys are really defending it.

Things look bad for the Xbox One? What universe are you living in?

http://www.wpcentral.com/amazon-thrilled-unprecedented-preorders-xbox-one
http://www.t3.com/news/xbox-one-breaks-pre-order-records-at-blockbusters
http://metro.co.uk/2013/06/03/asda-xbox-one-is-our-fastest-selling-pre-order-console-3826800/
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/xbox-one-pre-order-stock-sold-out-at-certain-retailers
http://www.techdigest.tv/2013/06/xbox_one_curren.html

This one.

Go check Amazon. The Top 100 Games.

The XBox One is currently number two. However, the PS4 had to be broken up into two different versions. The Launch edition and the standard edition. The Launch edition will be at your home on launch day. The standard will be as close to launch day as they can get it. Both were in the Top 10. And Launch Edition seems to be sold out now, causing it to drop to #12. In the Top 10 there are currently 4 different PS4 items. 3 of them are bundles. There's a sixth PS4 bundle in the Top 50. There are no other Xbox One preorders in the entire Top 100. And that includes some older games like Tomb Raider (PS3 version at #43) and Borderlands 2 (360 version at #99).

Further proof? PS4 Destiny sits at #16. Xbox One version at #77. I think that says a lot.

Amazon even took a poll asking which one people preferred. It was taken down with a 94% to 95% preference for the PS4.
http://www.latintimes.com/articles/5349/20130618/ps4-vs-xbox-one-amazon-poll-taken.htm
http://gengame.net/2013/06/amazon-prematurely-ends-ps4-vs-xbox-one-poll-when-ps4-takes-95-of-the-vote/
http://www.psu.com/a019884/PS4-vs-Xbox-One--Amazon-ends-poll-due-to-overwhelming-Sony-victory

Just talk to people. You'll find overwhelming support for PS4. When I preordered my console, the salesperson was actively advising against Xbox One, and from what I hear, the preorders are not good on all accounts.

And Sony has even stated that the demand may outstrip the supply.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/125091-Sony-Increasing-PS4-Sales-Projections-After-E3

Haven't heard anything from Microsoft...

So, taking all that into account, yes, I don't think things look good for the Xbox One.

 

[SecondPrize]

Other current and future console developers realize that focusing on profits at the expense of the consumer results in less profits than if you were to focus on providing consumers a satisfying product. While I'm in crazy-land, I also want a Unicorn, a never-ending White Russian glass and Scooby Doo as a friend.

 

[Busard]

It might sound petty and vindicative, forgive me, but I would LOVE to go back to a dual console manufacturer situation. Similar to the ps1+64/ps2+gamecube era, back when microsoft was either nonexistant or just irrelevant.

Because nevertheless, both parties (sony and nintendo) had a really good thing going, sharing the market pretty evenly (I know sony technically held more at the time, but I remember that from my younger self perspective, it didnt' make much of a difference as both consoles, at least in the ps1 era, had worthwhile titles out the arse). I mostly remember just the amount of AMAZING games that we were getting, simply because not only did it cost less at the time but devs were less pressured to make specific genre titles, since the consoles covered basically every taste and people were fine with that.

Also, before calling me out as a nintendo fan, i'm rather on the sony side at the moment.

I hate what the 360 did to the console landscape, and ultimately the gaming landscape in general. It didn't bring anything new, it just burst in the market, bought a shitload of studios previously working with ninty/sony, started shelling out the same stuff and narrow the market to some mushy blurry mess where everything looked the same, forcing sony to adapt to the situation by doing the same and forcing ninty to go into full reclusion mode

 

[zefichan]

Video games began on the PC for Christ's sake.

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Oh my god, you're serious

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The ignorance hurts so bad.

Answer: No. They did not start "on the pc". Quite the opposite. My gosh.

 

[siomasm]

ADHD version:
People don't think the Xbone will fail (they may exaggerate). The Xbone will sell, but the PS4 will sell better.

I actually doubt that the Xbox will turn a profit. Yes, the laymen doesn't really know or care about much more than "OMgawd foosball 2013 and Call of doody!" but it's still stirring up too much controversy to be ignored, despite the cringe worthy attempts at making it appear accepted by the community at large.

While the number of gamers participating on forums, watching E3 or actually paying attention to much of anything outside of commercials is likely a relative minority, it's still probably a good chunk of potential customers they've driven off, and will likewise advise their friends against it.

In the long run, unless drastic changes are made, I could see them having some serious issues but likely surviving if only as a mere shadow of what Xbox was in its hayday.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

i think a great result would be it not selling even moderately well, a firmware update gets rid of all the anti consumer nonsence, then MS can get back in the game (competion is good for gaming)

 

[Busard]

ADHD version:
People don't think the Xbone will fail (they may exaggerate). The Xbone will sell, but the PS4 will sell better.

I actually doubt that the Xbox will turn a profit. Yes, the laymen doesn't really know or care about much more than "OMgawd foosball 2013 and Call of doody!" but it's still stirring up too much controversy to be ignored, despite the cringe worthy attempts at making it appear accepted by the community at large.

While the number of gamers participating on forums, watching E3 or actually paying attention to much of anything outside of commercials is likely a relative minority, it's still probably a good chunk of potential customers they've driven off, and will likewise advise their friends against it.

In the long run, unless drastic changes are made, I could see them having some serious issues but likely surviving if only as a mere shadow of what Xbox was in its hayday.

You quoted the wrong person here.

But it's okay, because I like you just the way you are.

Captcha: "can't have nice things"
Ah well nevermind, fuck you then

 

[Andy Farren]

Can I get a gaming PC, that will be current for the next 6 years, for under £300?

No. No I can't.

 

[Lictor Face]

PC ports. Lots of em, and the pressure to make them GOOD ports. Of games we have been demanding for quite some time now, and those that were labeled "Xbone exclusive" once they start thrashing wildly at anything that might help them recover some of their investment.
I can't think of any better way for them to make a profit than doing a fraction of the work it takes to develop and market a game to simply put it on PC.

Well, what sort of ports are you talking about anyway? Titanfall is the ( in my opinion ) the shiniest gem in the offering of the Xbone, but its coming out for PC too anyway

RYZE SAN AHF ROME is definitely Xbone exclusive, it seems pretty interesting ( kinda like total war rome in third person ). But other than that, the rest of the Xbone exclusives are more or less pretty lack-luster.

Below is an indie game and is probably under the Xbone equivalent of xbawkz live arcade.

Sunset Overdrive seems astonishingly generic

Quantum Break , eh, its not really my thing to be honest and I haven't seen any concrete gameplay yet

Another Halo game, excuse me while I soil my trousers in excitement at this creatively thought out game idea.

I'm not seeing any particularly good exclusives in the future either. Cyberpunk 2077 is one too watch but its not exclusive either.

A lot of the best exclusive franchises have either been wrapped up ( Gears of war ) or crashed and burned horribly ( The fable series? I'm not very sure, the reviews seemed ok but I don't think it sold that well, feel free to correct me ) Some of the best franchises ( Borderlands 2 ,Dragon Age, Dead Space to an extent and the Fallout series ) are not exclusives. I'm not really seeing your concern here.

 

[Strelok]

You may be without a doubt the worst type of gaming individual I have ever met.

Also, you are not seeing the point.

Well, have a nice life playing that shit indie game no-one but you cares about! I'll be busy actually finding a way to HELP our industry!

I think you are confused about who is the worst type of gamer ever, a mirror will help you find one.

It's OK to lash out and be scared friend, your world is crumbling around you. Microsoft is floundering, about to bury itself, turning on the developers now won't help them, Sony had to do nothing to get applause, really? A sad state indeed. Don't worry though, take my hand I have been through a crash before, it's not so bad. Trust me I was still playing games in 1984, just not on a console.

You find a way to help the terminally ill patient that is the AAA gaming industry. More power to you, buy yet another Halo, Gears of War and Call of Duty, that will show them the kinds of games you want, help Microsoft destroy creativity and end the indie developer. Then when drivel is all there is left to play in the console world and it is a barren wasteland of generic samey bland (isn't it this already?)you can have no one left but yourself to blame.