Pre-owned games banned? Are you cool with that?

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hazabaza1

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Scars Unseen said:
hazabaza1 said:
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they want to stop indie titles,
Sorry, but, how exactly do they do this? The only indie games I've heard of being taken down is because they use copyrighted characters, and that's because of, well, copyright.
Yeah I know. I mean, you can't take down every game out there since most don't violate copyrights. If only there was a law that would allow large publishing groups to forcibly close popular distribution sites entirely based upon infringements committed by only a fraction of the community, allowing them to retain sole control over the production and distribution of games...

The industry would probably get behind something like that. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115400-ESA-Speaks-Vaguely-About-SOPA-Support]
First off, sarcasm not really necessary.
Moving on, while I'm not really an expert on starting up a website, couldn't the developers simply host the download on their own site? I'm fairly sure I've got at least a few indie games from the developers website.
Plus, what about Steam or XBLA or PSN? You see dozens of indie games on there.
Believe me, I hate SOPA just as much as everyone else on this website, but I can't see SOPA flat out stopping indie games. Maybe annoying the developers, but stopping them? That seems a bit extreme.
 

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The only games I've ever bought used are ones that were years old and therefore the used were easier to find than the new. That said, I have zero problem with used games, and think that this is ridiculous.

The idea that used games should be limited to their original purchaser is preposterous. Every single other product, from books to film to appliances to art, can be sold and resold. Do you see anyone complaining about used book sales? Used film sales? Of course not, because that's how the economy operates - you have a thing, and you can sell that thing, and someone else can use it. The conceit that used games should be exempt from this market force that EVERYTHING ELSE is subject to is silly - it's not a special case, if something's not good enough to hold on to, it's a product like any other and should be allowed to be re-sold - book authors and film productions get no such special consideration. Moves like this are unfair and monopolistic market restrictions that are designed to let companies grab cash without making a good product.

Now, the online passes I have less of a problem with, but this is just ridiculous.
 

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LiquidSolstice said:
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As honorable as your intentions are, I fucking hate that kind of attitude. It forces the over-saturation of games that advertise multiplayer as the primary feature and the single-player is an afterthought.

People have lost their appreciation for games because no one seems to stop and care about singleplayer games anymore.
Actually it doesn't. That's simply dev laziness in action.

There are many ways to keep the customer playing. Look at GTA 4, RDR, ME 1 and 2, DAO, Skyrim, FO3 and NV, DX:HR, even Portal for christ's sake. It's a little something called replayability.
So with the exception of Portal, it's pretty much "Make your game open-world or die?"
Replayability. Make it fun enough that people want to beat it over and over, make it flexible enough that people can experience it a new way each time they do so.
 

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Indie games usually sell for less than $20(and even then, most go for less than $10). Why? Because there's no publisher. When you pay $65 for a new game, most of that money is going to the publisher, not the developer. So you are not 'supporting developers' by buying new.
 

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Been a long time since I've actually bought a game pre-owned, so no, don't really care.
 

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I could care less what microsoft does, but I would be against it if Sony decided too. I buy my games I dont want t pay full price for or support a companys decision but still pla the game preowned.

Plus most of the people who support it are saying cause it will screw Gamestop so I dont like the supporters for being narrowminded/pretentious.
 

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Yes, because there are NO costs to running at business at all! None! At all! It's all entirely based on service and the price - oh, and by the way, most Americans are dicks (yes I am one) who will still go for the cheaper prices even if the service is crap.

There is a reason why smaller stores/non chain stores are getting blown out of the water. Because big companies can take the loss while their franchises are busy running the other stores out of business.

Yeah, that small business totally deserves to fail because a big, heavily backed franchise can come in and undercut them: and if they try to compete they can't make their cost of operation.
If the large business' service and pricing are better than what the little guy can do, then yes, in a free market, the little guy will deserve his/her probable failure. I never said it was just, or fair, or perfect. If the free market was perfect, then why would communism have ever looked like a good idea in the first place?

But all this is besides the point. AAA games are not small business. And no, they don't deserve to have the right to ban something like second hand sales. If they try, I will vote with my wallet.
 

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TheKasp said:
jamez525 said:
To be honest, before we go this way we have to finally resolve how the ownership of software licenses is actually handled. Since the publisher and developer have now a way to enforce it they go ballistic against it. I am actually quite sure it will be resolved if one company wants to go this way. Like you see, the backlash is big enough so that some will file a lawsuit against it.

And like you maybe deduced from my post: My actual gripe is with people actually supporting chains like GameStop and GAME. I have my reasons for that from a personal expirience.

RJ 17 said:
Yup, the damage used sales do is blatantly overhyped from developer / publisher side. How can someone even doubt that? There are better ways of "fighting" used sales and every old gamer can point that out. My problem with used sales goes to a personal level where I see old stores die out because of sleezy GameStop tactics and marketing. From a storechain that lied to me and treated me like shit several times by now.
Making a video game doesn't have to cost anything. Some of the best video games ever made were made by gamers in their own homes.

EverQuest, which would spark a revolution in Personal Computer gaming was developed in a garage. MineCraft, was made by one man. I imagine he went through quite a many cups of coffee making the game, but that was his only investment really. Now he's a millionaire.

Used games don't hurt video games at all. It doesn't harm a rich man if you take away a percentage of his profits (and give him in return the use of his product, and in a way the promotion of said product) when he can still afford to buy whatever he wants.

Video games only cost an assload of money to make because people refuse to work for anything less than a LOT of money.

In fact, one of the largest leaps in the costs of making a video game has been from the need to hire a bunch of artists to make sure your game is pretty. Something video games of the past didn't need to focus heavily on. Some people like to think that they still don't need to focus heavily on...

In short, I want to point out simply and clearly that when you give a bloated corporation more money, they DON'T use it to make a better product. They use it to buy themselves a better car or a bigger house.

Don't be so naive. Open your eyes and look at the games that are out, and who they are made by.

"By gamers, for gamers" used to be a company's motto. Said company was trying to cheat another popular company out of their sold rights to a game they abandoned willfully... just so they could make a load of money off of it underhandedly.

Used games do so much good for gaming that its ridiculous that you don't see it. The best thing you can do with a movie/game/book/song is make it accessible, to not JUST the wealthy but everyone.

Oh and, just because you had a bad time at a shop doesn't justify acting like such a baby. 3rd parties are necessary mediums, publishers alone can't provide the entire world with their games, even if they only sold New ones.

Gamestop and GAME are here to stay, and they benefit gamers who's wallets are often empty. Don't get inside expecting a red carpet to be rolled out, expect to purchase a game and go home and play.
 

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No...no i'm not BUT!!

TheKasp said:
Like in all the threads: I have next to no love left for used games or people buying used. You are supporting a chain of stores which are run by assholes, abuse their customers, employees and the one industry relying on first hand sales through them.

And I am also a PC gamer. I just laugh at all you nonsense prophecies about the future of consoles when games start to be bound to an account or such.
This guy has a point, what makes us console gamers so special?
 

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Lordmarkus said:
Pc gamer here so I'll stay ignorant as always and say that it wouldn't bother me one iota. I haven't bought a new game for nearly 3 years that wasn't locked to some kind of service, Witcher 2 being the exception. It feels like 95 % of all new PC games have steamworks, and the rest 5 % use Origin, GDWL or Uplay.

Of course It isn't good news for anyone but after years of shoddy consoleports, piracy-accusations, DRM and service-locked games I cannot feel any pity for consoleplayers if this becomes a reality. At least you get games that are built for the platform and that they fucking work on a shoddy internet connection.
well aren't you the such a nice and considerate person. I personally choose to not play on consoles so fuck everyone who does. nice
 

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If- if- such a move came with some concessions to the consumer and presaged a greater willingness to take greater risks in the medium rather than relying on "sure thing" genres and iterations of series, I might accept it.

...It won't. It will just become one more gear in the great customer-screwing engine. Tomorrow they'll be rolling their eyes at anyone who complains about something that's "industry standard" and trying to make us ashamed of questioning anything they might do to turn a meager profit in the face of piracy and rising development costs.

So... I hope it's just a rumor.

Ah, the joy of the whole "you bought a license, not the software" shell game.
 

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I don't buy pre-owned games. So it doesn't effect me much. But still I think it's a bad move. Not only is it a dick move, that probably should infringe on consumer rights, it'll also have a negative effect on game communities and playerbases.

Less people will be playing their games, since those that didn't buy used may not pay full price for a new copy, yet those bored enough of the game to sell it would probably stop playing anyway. Multiplayer centric games will die faster, and piracy will be probably be blamed for it. :p

All the while these companies won't see that much more revenue from this decision, and earn a whole lot of bad blood with gamers. It seems like a silly move to me.
 

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I usually wind up buying new because I have a decent surplus of income and I determine that I "need" certain games months before their release. However, I do enjoy having the option to trade in older games, bad games, etc. Also, banning used game sales would only increase piracy, which I hate.
 

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I'm on PC, what the hell is a pre-owned game?

(you laugh now)

But seriously, no, I'm not fine with it because it gives the games industry special treatment over other industries. If I can buy a used car, I can buy a used game, it's as simple as that.
 

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No! times are tough, used games are cheap, and it would be a waist of resources!
 

plugav

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That would be just unethical. And it would literally mean you could no longer own games.
 

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Caleco said:
So I'm hearing rumours that Microsoft and other big time corporations are thinking of banning pre-owned games entirely. Mostly using that little code that let's the user register he game to his console only. Now I don't know about you guys but I love pre-owned games. Sifting through the pile of used games at the store and finding classics at a third the price. The only reason I can think of why Microsoft would pull this move is so they can make more money and I'm no specialist but I think they are pretty well off.
Is there something I'm missing from the picture?
So if your Xbox breaks or you make a new profile your out of luck Oh and to make the good news even better now if you want an old game tough shit you'll have to ask the shop to order one in for you and if you've ever tried that before then you'll know that's not going to happen