Pre-owned games banned? Are you cool with that?
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No, I'm not fine with it.
I don't care if someone thinks all I've done is buy the right to play the game when I purchase it. As far as I'm concerned, when I buy a copy of the game and I'm done with it, I have the right to sell (at a cheaper price - otherwise it wouldn't sit right with me, and I'd just be concerned about getting some of my money back for a game I belatedly found was crap) or give that one copy to someone else so long as I don't have another copy of it sitting with me. It's my game. I'll do what I want with it.
The "devs should get money for every time a used game is sold" argument is one certainly worth thinking about, but it only works if the used game is sold at a price equal to (or near) its original price or if I make another copy of the game from my copy and sell it or give it away (which is pretty much game piracy). That's just my opinion on the matter, though.
But, the idea of banning pre-owned games doesn't really fly with me because I'm worried about whether or not such a system would work due to certain circumstances. What if my machine breaks down? Does that mean I have to buy my games again? They'd first have to implement a reliable system that allows you to transfer your games over to a new console (if that makes sense) before I could take it seriously.
I don't care if someone thinks all I've done is buy the right to play the game when I purchase it. As far as I'm concerned, when I buy a copy of the game and I'm done with it, I have the right to sell (at a cheaper price - otherwise it wouldn't sit right with me, and I'd just be concerned about getting some of my money back for a game I belatedly found was crap) or give that one copy to someone else so long as I don't have another copy of it sitting with me. It's my game. I'll do what I want with it.
The "devs should get money for every time a used game is sold" argument is one certainly worth thinking about, but it only works if the used game is sold at a price equal to (or near) its original price or if I make another copy of the game from my copy and sell it or give it away (which is pretty much game piracy). That's just my opinion on the matter, though.
I'm not really into pre-owned games myself, as I personally like the feeling of having my own freshly bought copy of a game. However, not everybody cares about whether their copy is used or not, which is why I, as said above, am not above giving/selling my one copy to another person.Caleco said:
But, the idea of banning pre-owned games doesn't really fly with me because I'm worried about whether or not such a system would work due to certain circumstances. What if my machine breaks down? Does that mean I have to buy my games again? They'd first have to implement a reliable system that allows you to transfer your games over to a new console (if that makes sense) before I could take it seriously.
Honestly, game corporations shouldn't have the right to tell us what we can and can't do with the games we buy. That's all.
Yeah no, this won't happen, at least, not in the next generation of consoles. Think about it. A LOT of people buy used games, if they ban the use of used games, not nearly as many people will buy the next Xbox, and so on so forth. Essentially cutting sales down by a lot. I know for a fact I won't buy the next Xbox is for some reason this does happen. This would also really hurt the lending of games, another thing people will get angry about, and lending games out is one of the best ways to get a game more sales. Word of mouth is the greatest tool in the sale of video games. This will limit it, severely, and this isn't even considering what it would do to the game rental services. This is a stupid idea at the moment, and honestly, I don't think that the used game market is hurting the developers as much as they say it is. Online passes and such are just fine where they are, most games have multiplayer nowadays anyways. So most people will get the online pass if they buy used, or, they'll just buy new, which will get the devs even more money.
In short, this would be a stupid move, plain and simple. It would cut sales of the next Xbox and any other console that did this really badly. Microsoft isn't so stupid as to actually do this I hope.
In short, this would be a stupid move, plain and simple. It would cut sales of the next Xbox and any other console that did this really badly. Microsoft isn't so stupid as to actually do this I hope.
doubt it, the console manufacturers won't get involved on what is a publisher issue, and as long are people are buying consoles who cares what their playing. also its a rumor, rumors are hardly ever true in this industry. http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Rumors
Nearly every game I own is pre-owned with a few exceptions. I like to wait a little while for the price to go down because I'm just not interested enough in most game to pay the full $60. I'd have to wait YEARS to play games if I wanted the new price to get down to where the 'used' prices are and outlawing pre-owned games ruins my whole system of game purchases.
I think that Jim Sterling has it right when he says that consumers who buy new copies should be rewarded rather than consumers who buy used being punished. It's just not fair to punish the consumer and it leads to a breakdown in the relationship between the consumer and the producer.
I have never pirated a game (unless using an emulator to play ancient games that aren't available in retail anymore) because I feel more sympathy for the video game industry than I do for the music or film industry (who's works I feel no remorse in pirating).
I think that Jim Sterling has it right when he says that consumers who buy new copies should be rewarded rather than consumers who buy used being punished. It's just not fair to punish the consumer and it leads to a breakdown in the relationship between the consumer and the producer.
I have never pirated a game (unless using an emulator to play ancient games that aren't available in retail anymore) because I feel more sympathy for the video game industry than I do for the music or film industry (who's works I feel no remorse in pirating).
Not in the slightest. While I spend what I can on new games, I have not the cash to buy more than a few new games. Now, a big answer for "lost profits" due to used game sales would be for game developers themselves to buy used copies of their games and sell them at lower prices, just as Gamestop and other used game stores do.
I may only be a young boy, unfamiliar with the arts of commerce, but even I know that.
I may only be a young boy, unfamiliar with the arts of commerce, but even I know that.
Hmm not too cross I like games and I like giving money to developers. I never really buy used when I can buy new even if it is a little more dear. However I do like used so I can get last gen or rare games that I missed and that happens alot.. I hope though that by next gen digital distribution will be so solid that I will be able to get any of the games I missed. Then again if if not great thats bad, plus these digital distribution services without competition can charge whatever they want. A monopoly is never good especially if they can get away with seeling ff games and metal gear solid one for double the price as less good ps one classics-yes im looking at you sony. Wow what a rant!!! In short as long as they dont screw us over im happy for my money to go to the right place. Propiertry content is an ancronism though
Yes I am totally cool with people attempting to take away the right to sell your own property (you paid for the product, you own it) because I am too blinded by the lionisation of big business to defend consumer rights. I mean it's not like none of the other industries are constantly whining about used sales instead of just sucking it up and looking for ways to deal with it that don't reflect badly on them. Besides we all know that used buyers are invariably whining cheapskates, thieves and parasites who can all easily afford and are more than happy to pay $60 for FF13-2: More Bad Combat and Confusing Stories You Need to Spend God Knows How Much Time Reading Data-logs to Understand (or as I like to call it: FF13-2: MBCCSYNSGKHMTRDU) and none of which have any desire to support developers in anyway.
No, I am not cool with this. I wouldn't be cool with this even if I didn't buy used games (for the record I tend to pay full price for new games and rarely buy used unless the game in question has been out for so long that the new version is harder to find.) Whether you sypathise with the used buyers or not you can't deny that this is a violation of basic consumer rights.
No, I am not cool with this. I wouldn't be cool with this even if I didn't buy used games (for the record I tend to pay full price for new games and rarely buy used unless the game in question has been out for so long that the new version is harder to find.) Whether you sypathise with the used buyers or not you can't deny that this is a violation of basic consumer rights.
As a mostly Xbox guy since the original came out with its big duke controllers, I have to say this would be one thing that would make me jump ship. It's not the whole used game thing either. When my brother or I buy a game(and I do, a lot and 99% new) we want to be able to play our games on both our machines. Also, I let a lot of my friends borrow games as they have more obligations(children, spouse, et cetera) than I do. This new business model would leave them SOL, playing the 1-2 games they can afford, knowing I have like 80(current gen anyway, I assume I'll be buying them at the same rate for the new systems) that I would let them borrow but for the cd key. Hell, maybe this will draw me back to my original platform(or it's descendents), Nintendo. Then again, that iPad controller looks unwieldy. Save me Sony! You're my only hope!
against, many of the new games i buy --both on pc and console-- can be traced back to taking a chance on a few cheap used games and i imagine it is or can be that for a lot of others,
so while my used copy of morrowind for the xbox gave the developer nothing, the purchase of oblivion, skyrim and morrowind for the pc did as well as the other fantasy setting games
im sure others can come up with lots more too, taking away used games would take away the ability to draw in new potential fans that dont want to invest $60 in a mystery, however $15-20 is a lot easier to take a chance with
so while my used copy of morrowind for the xbox gave the developer nothing, the purchase of oblivion, skyrim and morrowind for the pc did as well as the other fantasy setting games
im sure others can come up with lots more too, taking away used games would take away the ability to draw in new potential fans that dont want to invest $60 in a mystery, however $15-20 is a lot easier to take a chance with
Although I do not buy used a lot myself, nor do I find the services offered by used sales stores to be any good I still do not think locking games to a specific system/account a good idea?TheKasp said:
You see I have a friend who collects consoles and games for said consoles. A lot of the older games in his collection are used games, because finding a new SNES game these days is kinda hard.
Part of the value of a collection like this is that all his consoles work, and so does the games. So lock the games and you lock the collect-ability of the system.
Sure this isn't something the publishers care much about, but it does put your console in a bad position with a lot of gamers.
I for one will not buy the New Xbox if it comes with account locking of games.
I actually was at EB to look at what they had for PSP, and I noticed the PC games section. You can buy quite recent brand new games for not much money. I thought that was cool. I'd buy so many more games if they came down in price. I love to buy new but many games are not worth the price.Xangi said:
People who buy "used" are not wrong, they're just dumb for paying 2 to 5$ less for the used copy. At least buy from someone out there who's taking off 10 or 15$. And FFS don't turn over your brand new game for 11$ at EB. WTF? Are you insane?
I pre order about 20 games a year and return 15 of those. so i can pre order more games. If i cant return games then i cant get more games D:
This just screams agenda driven crock of shit to me. The thin edge of the wedge it very well could be.
But the games industry is really great at doing really stupid things which is probably why most ps2 owners still haven't gotten a ps3 and/or 360.sabercrusader said:
As someone who rents first to see if the game is actually worth $60 (which it isn't 95% of the time) and someone who lends out games that I own (yes I OWN them), this would not be cool with me.
Also as someone who primarily used to buy used games (however I did sometimes buy new games or get them as gifts) for financial reasons (before gamestop gouged the market horribly) I find this whole war on used games to be very insulting and just plain retarded. If it weren't for affordable used games in the past, I wouldn't be buying new games now.
However, Sony & MS talked me out of getting a next gen console long before these rumors sprouted up so I'm getting to the point where I'm beyond caring. I already pulled my investments from the game industry because I don't like the direction it's going in. The next thing to pull is my consumer dollars.
It certainly will make piracy more popular again.