Prosecutors Request New Bond Conditions For Kyle Rittenhouse In Light Of Him Being Seen With The Proud Boys

[Cheetodust]

Why would White supremacist groups use a symbol that could ONLY be identified as a white supremacist symbol and nothing else? It's harder to get white supremacists into the police and military when they go around literally shouting white power. I mean not by a lot but they lose any plausible deniability.

Anyone who wants to pretend racists are all skinhead neo nazis like American History X are either being intentionally obtuse or are as thick as pig shit plaited.

 

[Kwak]

All of whom were white and one of them was a convicted sex offender for offenses involving minors. All of whom are on video either trying to attack him first or seemingly trying to draw their own weapon after a false surrender to try and shoot him.

Still a hero of the racists and alt-right. They want to kill white people too if they're considered leftists or 'antifa'.

 

[Worgen]

And the Swastika was once just a sun symbol in Hinduism. The Hammer and Sickle were just a pair of common tools. A clenched fist was just a clenched fist. But their adoption and usage by political groups has given them more meaning then they once had. When you see a crossed hammer and sickle you think of communism. When you see a black swastika on a white background you think of nazis and when you see a clenched fist you think of the black power movement. You do this because the people who adopted these symbols worked hard to infuse them with meaning and to make people associate the symbol with their ideology.

That makes them totally different from this:

It would be hilarious to start saying that anyone with a swastika tattoo or something must be a Hindu. That would piss them off more than anything.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

On the side subject of people jumping at things as hate symbols


Old man Jenkins now a hate symbol apparently.

 

[Houseman]

Old man Jenkins now a hate symbol apparently.

How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Except I directly said that using this symbol doesn't make you one of them. However if you are one of them, and you use the symbol, that is an intentional message.

I also didn't mention demographics about the photo/handshake bit. If you're on bail for murder and some random wants to shake your hand and get a picture because of that, probably just politely decline, eh?

Or they just are saying Ok because it's such a widely used symbol.

If they all started giving the thumbs up because Trump does would that make it a secret dogwhistle too?

So the white guy who decided it was a good idea to go out of his way, and bring a gun to a BLM protest, only to end up shooting a few guys in "self defence", is now hanging with alt-right hate groups, and throwing up white power signs?

Thats a bold move.

It'll be interesting to see how his defence tries to argue his innocence, now.

To once again debunk the myths that keep going round.

1) No he didn't bring the gun he was handed it when he arrived
2) No he didn't specially travel to there he worked in the town and was asked by some people he knew and a local business owner who had part of his business destroyed to help protect it.
3) What he actually did bring was his first aid kit.
4) Also again the OK sign not WP signs

Also again can you recognise all people accused of being white supremacists in public?

The trick here is to have a symbol with plausible deniability.

If we think of the Freemasons, they have a secret handshake. But those who want to covertly signify affiliation can also hide it in plain sight, with an otherwise innocuous gesture that others in the know will recognise. Although the okay symbol is common, people tend not to use it except where contextually relevant. Like when waiting staff check back and ask you whether your meal is okay and your mouth's full, so you use a hand gesture, or as added emphasis whilst stating everything's fine.

Using it for the sort of photo op Rittenhouse was in is odd. Why signify "okay" here? There's no normal tradition of doing this sort of thing - a thumbs up might be standard.

And the answer is that irrespective of origins on 4chan or whatever, it has become what it is and every far righter will see that and know what it means. Of course, so can other people see too, but the far right and their useful idiot allies can scurry round carrying out interference on the back of the plausible deniability. That it is partly about screwing with people as well as signifying allegiance is neither here nor there.

Or you know to symbolise people are feeling ok

 

[Kwak]

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Or you know to symbolise people are feeling ok

Yeah, that's what the christchurch mass-murderer was signalling.

 

[Elijin]

@Dwarvenhobble maybe if you yell "Nahuh!" while ignoring the content and context a little more, you'll convince us.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Yeah, that's what the christchurch mass-murderer was signalling.
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Searching for the Man Behind 'The Circle Game'

As in, the game where you make someone look at your hand and then smack them in the arm.

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likely that he wants to punch you in the arm cause he's a troll looking for attention.

@Dwarvenhobble maybe if you yell "Nahuh!" while ignoring the content and context a little more, you'll convince us.

Maybe if you'd be able to answer the question and say you can or cant' conclusively identify all known White supremacists by sight alone your argument would sound a bit more convincing that somehow Kyle was deliberately doing this with full knowledge of what he was up to.

 

[Agema]

Maybe if you'd be able to answer the question and say you can or cant' conclusively identify all known White supremacists by sight alone your argument would sound a bit more convincing that somehow Kyle was deliberately doing this with full knowledge of what he was up to.

I could accept the possibility that an unwitting Rittenhouse was put up to it by his brand new Proud Boy best buddies. But the greater likelihood is he already knew as it's hardly a secret, particularly in the circles he's likely to move in. The chance he pulled that hand symbol completely randomly approximates to nil.

 

[Kwak]

likely that he wants to punch you in the arm cause he's a troll looking for attention.

It's more likely, that the Christchurch shooter, who massacred 50+ Muslims, wasn't a white supremacist and was just a troll? Holy shit you're unreachable.

 

[Kwak]

I could accept the possibility that an unwitting Rittenhouse was put up to it by his brand new Proud Boy best buddies. But the greater likelihood is he already knew as it's hardly a secret, particularly in the circles he's likely to move in. The chance he pulled that hand symbol completely randomly approximates to nil.

The proud boy is doing it too.

 

[Trunkage]

The lesson that was never learnt. 4chan got trolled by white supremacist

 

[Houseman]

The logic here isn't "everyone who uses the OK sign is a white supremacist", since black people do it too, it's "Everyone who is a white supremacist who uses the OK sign is a white supremacist", therefore using the sign as the sole indicator of who is or isn't a white supremacist is useless

 

[Agema]

The logic here isn't "everyone who uses the OK sign is a white supremacist", since black people do it too, it's "Everyone who is a white supremacist who uses the OK sign is a white supremacist", therefore using the sign as the sole indicator of who is or isn't a white supremacist is useless"

The argument that people are claiming anyone who uses the okay sign is a white supremacist is a straw man.

 

[Houseman]

The argument that people are claiming anyone who uses the okay sign is a white supremacist is a straw man.

The article that OP posted seems to be saying that:
" About an hour and a half later, Rittenhouse was seen at a Wisconsin bar with his mother. Surveillance video confirms Rittenhouse was also seen at the bar posing for photos with other white people throwing up a known “white power” symbol. "

 

[Agema]

The article that OP posted seems to be saying that:
" About an hour and a half later, Rittenhouse was seen at a Wisconsin bar with his mother. Surveillance video confirms Rittenhouse was also seen at the bar posing for photos with other white people throwing up a known “white power” symbol. "

The article in the OP states extremely clearly that the white men Rittenhouse was drinking with were identified as Proud Boys. The Proud Boys are known to have white supremacist links.

It is not clear to me how you could fail to notice that incredibly prominent piece of information in the article.

 

[Houseman]

The article in the OP states extremely clearly that the white men Rittenhouse was drinking with were identified as Proud Boys. The Proud Boys are known to have white supremacist links.

Did I ever deny that, or say anything to make you think I denied that?

I just said that the article is claiming that the okay sign is a white supremacist symbol.

If you want to say he's a supremacist because he's hanging out with other supremacists, fine. If you want to say he's a supremacist because he's doing something with his hands that everyone has done at some point or another, that's silly.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

It's more likely, that the Christchurch shooter, who massacred 50+ Muslims, wasn't a white supremacist and was just a troll? Holy shit you're unreachable.

No he's an attention seeker looking to get namechecked and live in infamy.

He livestreamed his shooting and checked PewDiePie and other hot button issues and things at the time in his manifesto. You really think he's not an egotist who wanted attention?

Well done for helping him live his twisted dream.

I could accept the possibility that an unwitting Rittenhouse was put up to it by his brand new Proud Boy best buddies. But the greater likelihood is he already knew as it's hardly a secret, particularly in the circles he's likely to move in. The chance he pulled that hand symbol completely randomly approximates to nil.

And how was he expected to know the guys were proud boys members not I dunno people whose kids were victims of one of the people he shot?

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

The article in the OP states extremely clearly that the white men Rittenhouse was drinking with were identified as Proud Boys. The Proud Boys are known to have white supremacist links.

It is not clear to me how you could fail to notice that incredibly prominent piece of information in the article.

yes identified as by people with lots of time, resources and knowledge.

Was there anything to identify them as Proud Boys in the photos?

Or are we now expecting people to carry round ID databases and scan the faces of every-one they meet just incase?