Prostitution: immoral or in demand

[templargunman]

most strippers would have to become prostitutes, because have no doubt that if a company could change their business model to bring in more money they would, regardless of their employee's wants.

Wait so prostitutes have no free will? The phrase "I quit" is not in their vocabulary?

Yeah, it is, but they'd rather not have phrases like "Sorry, mommy can't buy food right now" be in their vocabulary. Sure, they can quit their jobs, but people often turn to stripping as a last resort, not all of them, of course, but the people who do it by choice don't need to be protected as much.

 

[templargunman]

Sorry, you're actually wrong again. What happens, and this is purely from research, something you should try, is that a service offers an overnight fee, which is incredibly costly, and the idea is that whatever happens happens. You pay the fee to have the escort stay with you overnight, and any sex or anything else that happens is "her choice". These women who do the overnight know that they're probably going to have to have sex, and as I mentioned earlier, unless the guy is into something really depraved the escort will probably do it. So no, you can't ask how much for anal, because you already payed thousands of dollars to get the escort overnight, so if you ask for anal she'll tell you it's free. Also, side note: $30 for any form of sex act would imply you are getting an std.

I'm no expert on the US sex industry, but I have been with about a dozen escorts here in good old Europe. I doubt that expensive overnight dates are any more common in the US than they are in Europe.
Fact is that sex is sold for money, no matter how u phrase it. All it comes down to is whether the prosecutor has enough evidence to make a case.
This legal situation doesn't exactly make life easier for prostitutes.

$30 for any form of sex act would imply you are getting an std.

I meant $30 in addition to the usual fee. At least here in Europe it's common to charge a bit more for anal sex. (If the girl does it at all. Most don't)
Really high class prostitutes and some non-professional girls will do everything they offer for a fixed fee, but most professional girls will charge you 100-200Euro per hour (Berlin prices) for regular sex and charge you a few bucks extra for kissing, anal, oral without condom ("french without"), "french total" (you figure this one out ), etc.

My mono is making me too tired to read through this and find a counter point, so I will just say you're right. I've never been with an escort, and I was doing it all off research, it might be at this point we are arguing two different points, as you're discussing European escort services and I'm discussing American escort services. What I do know about American services is that escort services are primarily to have a hot woman to meet you at the airport, or come with you to an event. The sex is a separate service, and many of the escorts you can take will actually not have sex at all. But yeah, my mono has made me too tired to figure out what's going on with this, your arguments are actually well worded enough that I have to think of a response, unlike most people on this forum.

 

[RatRace123]

I think it's fine, they provide a service that never goes out of demand.
I think it should be legalized as an institution, sponsered brothels and all that.

It'd bring in money, and the prostitutes themselves would be able to work in better surroundings.

The way I see it, if legalized, it'd be no different from porn stars; except, no camera or crew.

 

[BlindMessiah94]

I think the way prostitution has been degraded to pimps and druggies is wrong. I think making it illegal only further exacerbates this issue. If we actually had reverence for a person's sexuality, then going to a prostitute could be something not done in the darkness and shadows. If a prostitute was more like a Companion in Firefly, for example, and seeing one was not your choice but theirs, and was almost a rite of passage or a great privilege, we may look upon sexuality, prostitution, and women a lot differently (and men I suppose too).

 

[Sikachu]

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For someone who appears to be a native speaker of the language, your English is inexcusably bad. If you want people to bother giving you useful responses, put a little effort into making your post clear and easy-to-read.

Prostitution, in my opinion, should be treated no differently to any other act where people sell their bodies to be disposed with by other people. In other words I refuse to pretend there's a difference between taking a cock for money and breaking your back working in a mine for it. Neither are something I would usually do by choice, and so incentivising me to do so financially seems equally exploitative either way.

Human trafficking/slavery is really where my objections to prostitution lie. But I don't think that these HAVE to be a feature of a well-implemented sex industry (see Nevada as an example of this rather than Amsterdam, which is a terrible example).

and how is it inexcusably bad? because i have used some short hand here and there? or using bases instead of basis perhaps? and i have had plenty of useful responses thank you very much so i believe people haven't had any issue with it and neither do you as you all so managed to answer the question? or may be because i didn't post it as a large formal question as i just want some opinions to see how accurate many of the statements within my readings are accurate?

Spoiler: Here is your OP with errors highlighted

hey escapist just a little question,

im in the middle of a assignment on prostitution for my university course, and all my readings on theories talk heavily of public perceptions, decisions, and opinions as a bases of a lot of arguments.

so i thought id take a little consensus of what your opinion on prostitution is and how you think it should be dealt with.

so my questions are; what are your feelings on prostitution?. why do you think people become prostitutes?. id . what your opinion on managed and tolerance zones?

also a little side note, here in the UK, prostitution is technically not illegal, just the things associated with it.

Hopefully that will quiet your adolescent whining about the standard of your language.

What concerns me more is reading "i just want some opinions to see how accurate many of the statements within my readings are accurate". I presume that this means something like 'I just wanted some opinions to see how accurate many of the statements in my reading are' and this is potentially dangerous for your assignment. Be wary of 'verifying' claims by forum. If you are trying to prove to yourself that there are people out there who genuinely hold one position or another, then the internet is a great place to open your mind. If, however, you are testing claims in the literature, you are doing it very much in the wrong way.

 

[hazabaza1]

This might sound stupid, or it might have been posted before, but what about, I dunno, making it a legitimate business? People will do it anyway, so why not allow people to within the law?
I mean, make people need licences to run a brothel and sell these girls services, give them tests to make sure they're not intoxicated, investigate them beforehand to make sure they're not doing drugs or anything, and if they do start while... at work, I guess, give them help.
I dunno, just some rambling.

 

[Astoria]

I don't find it immoral but I do think it's pathetic, for both the ones selling and buying.

 

[iLikeHippos]

I wouldn't say it's immoral if it's a job you have a choice in, and it's sure as hell is a demand here in Sweden where every fucking girl asks an Edward personality out of you.

It would perhaps be a perfect solution to the diminishes of jobs and perhaps gain a lot of cash to the government binge, but what I think your real problem is religion and sexual diseases.
Both of them would be your problems, and you can't deny any of them.
For example if just one of them gains HIV, that's HIV given by the government. And that's not a healthy standard. (Though you'd ought to give your own person some credit as a victim)

Although I doubt religion have anything to say in our social norms these days, should the government really spit in their faces for some additional jobs and services?
I can't remember if they even bother anymore, though.

 

[Kortney]

Prostitution needs to be legalised. Tax it. Make it safe. Make it clean.

Only option. "Banning" it helps no one and it certainly doesn't get rid of it.

 

[ultrachicken]

Prostitution will always be there, no matter what the law says. Even in very repressive muslim countries it's easy to find prostitutes if you know where to look.
It's like alcohol or other drugs. Prohibition doesn't make the good in question disappear from the market. It only turns the people involved into criminals and grants criminal organization a virtual monopoly.

There is nothing wrong with the exchange of money for sexual services. What's wrong is the involvement of organized crime and pimps.
If you want to protect women from exploitation, then you have to fight organized crime, not prostitution itself.
Organized crime is rampant in all industrialized countries and yet it's rarely spoken about. THAT is the issue.[/quote]I also agree with this.

 

[similar.squirrel]

Somebody who isgood at sex should be allowed to offer his or her services for financial gain. There need to be a lot of safeguards in place to prevent the associated nastiness from occurring. Licenses, background checks, drugs-tests and anti-exploitation measures etc. Like dancers or athletes, I suppose.

 

[TRR]

Prostitution is the world's oldest profession, there is nothing anyone can do to stop it from happening short of complete totalitarianism. There will always be people who will pay for sex. Laws that make it illegal only compromise the safety of the workers. If anything, laws should be put in place to protect and support safe prostitution. Ideally, prostitution should be removed from alleys and made more respectable.

Personally, however, I don't believe one should have to pay for sex.

 

[King Ramen Noodle]

IMO i would never visit a brothel but i still think it would be a good thing to have.legalize it, set standards like monthly std checks, constant cleaning, blah blah. really tired of this Puritans Stigma that should have died along with the Puritans, this whole life is bad, anything that feels good is the devil trying to get in you and take you to hell. i will eat my damn cake when i want to and when i get the chance for sex I'm sure as hell not gonna go "no god says that's bad" I'm gonna be "hell yeah" because being close with people is the right way to be(though granted if i ever went to a brothel i think i would rather walk right back out that door but only because I'm not interested in sex with someone i barely know.) look back on the Victorian era in England. we can all pretty much agree that was a shitty time to be alive right? do you really want to be stuck up tight wads who think anything enjoyable is bad for you? sure too much of a good thing can be bad but doesn't mean we should never touch it again.

 

[Joepow]

I think you might of missed some of my earlier points in my back and forth with Anubis. We already have stripping, and if prostitution was legalized, most strippers would have to become prostitutes, because have no doubt that if a company could change their business model to bring in more money they would, regardless of their employee's wants. So yes, people who want to be prostitutes would have the opportunity to be prostitutes, but many people who kept away from prostitution by becoming strippers will be forced into the career. Also, I don't deny that some people would want to be prostitutes, but unlike garbage, it's not a necessary job that has to be done by someone, and I never said that porn stars are weird, I understand that the porn industry has it's own awards and there is a lot of appeal to being famous for sex.

But the problem is, if prostitution isn't legal, people just go to illegal prostitudes (or do some sex turism). Legalizing prostitution provides prostitudes much better working conditions and legal rights.

 

[djpobletay]

I live in the US in the great state of Nevada, home of Las Vegas, and the only state with legal and regulated prostitution. Some of my state's congressmen are trying to abolish prostitution right now but it has not reached a vote yet. Nevada brothels are regulated and constantly under government supervision. I don't think prostitution is wrong as long as the people are not forced into it or underage.

 

[MasterChief892039]

I absolutely hate the concept of prostitution because I don't like the idea of someone selling their body for a living, particularly if they're doing it because they feel they have no other options or can't get out.

However, I also realize that
a) prostitution isn't going to go away anytime soon (aka, ever), and
b) making prostitution illegal is incredibly damaging and dangerous for women

Criminalizing prostitution doesn't make it disappear, it just pushes women into back alleys where, without regulation, they're undoubtedly going to face issues like being underpaid, having to give a large portion if not all of the money to a "pimp", being abused, having unsafe sex and being raped. I would also bet that drugs enter into the equation more when prostitution is illegal than when it's legal.

My stance is the same on the issue of abortion. I find both to be incredibly uncomfortable issues morally, but I understand the need to have both activities legal in order to protect as many people as possible.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

I've personally never seen why it's illegal to pay money for something that it's perfectly legal to give away from free. I'm fairly sure legalising and regulating it would solve many of the problems associated with it in the first place.

it isnt illegal to pay for sex, thats the part of prostitution that is compleatly legal, its things like soliciting, kerb crawling, advertising, those are illegal

Depends upon the country/state. In Texas, prostitution itself is illegal as are most of the acts leading to sex. Notably, thanks to a three strike law, the third time a prostitute is arrested and convicted of prostitution it is tried as a felony rather than a class A misdemeanor (a severe misdemeanor).

For the record, I think it should be treated like any other legal vice. Restrict it to certain districts, regulate it for health and safety of those involved and call it a day. Most of the violence and abuse related to the industry is a direct result of the fact that, once something is made illegal, it is no longer regulated by any authority save those who would willingly commit criminal acts.

 

[Nexus4]

Thing is that if the government regulated prostitutes and opened their own brothels, you start getting prostitutes away from pimps and gangsters 'cause why toe the line when you can do it perfectly legitimately? The government would be cleaning up the city as well as looking after these people, and protecting them from their former pimps, so it would be a win-win no?