Prostitution

[TheSear]

Personally I find it totally wrong to be honest. I can't really explain but I am 100% against it. People can do so much more with their lives than that.

 

[NekoAnastasia]

I asked you to take my ludicrous claim with a grain of salt, as - you know - it was exagerrated terribly. The fact that you're taking offence makes me judge you as either a passive-aggressive... excuse me, passively-active, feminist. Or a lesbian.


The truth of the matter is that if a woman ask a man to have sex the first time they meet, could be in a club, in a restaurant, in a bar: He will say yes, no hesitating.

If a man ask a woman the same thing, she will not say yes, she WANTS THE CHASE. She wants the man to DO SOMETHING to show her that he's interested/attracted. She wants compliments, gifts, flirting: The fact that in order to obtain one thing, one is required to comply with certain requirements makes the thing, by definition, a power-tool... Doesn't it?

Feel free to stamp me a male chauvinist, or whatever; It's fact that women want to be treated like princesses, want to feel special, want the man to show her that he wants her. In return of this, they give their "Love" and "Devotion" and Sex.

Sure times are changing, I'll try to embrace it to the best of my ability, but that doesn't change the fact that males have always fought for the right to copulate with females, with other males; To impress - and most likely always will.

You will also have to excuse my terrible rhetoric, but I'm very tired.

Well, firstly, I'm neither. I'm heterosexual and one of those sexually submissive females I mentioned, I have no interest in using sex as a power-tool because I much prefer a man to be in charge, and I'd never dream of demanding anything from my partner in exchange for it. That's one of the reasons why I found your assertion so offensive, although honestly I can't imagine anyone who doesn't taken offence to the blanket statement "all women are prostitutes".

You haven't stopped making generalisations though, you've just changed them slightly. Saying "All women do this because they feel like this" is always bound to offend somebody, because we're not all the same, as confusing as we may be to you. Many girls will sleep with a guy on the first date just because they want sex, many go out to clubs trawling looking for one-night-stands, I have a few friends who like to operate that way. Women do not necessarily wait to be hit on or for a man to show interest, some will be assertive and make the first move, too.

Not all women want a man to chase after her trying to win her over and doing things to earn her affections. As I said, I am one such female, a lot of us like the caveman, the bloke who has confidence in himself and can take what he wants without begging for it like a sick puppy. What you say is probably true of submissive men and dominant women, but it is certainly not true of all men and women.

If you cease making generalisations and painting us all with the same demented-power-craving brush, I'll ease up.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

I think it should be a legal and above all regulated industry. The biggest "problem" with prostitution (aside from puritan squeamishness about sex) is the prevalence of drug use and STD's in the population. Legilaztion opens the doors to better regulation and testing of people in that line of work. By introducing quality control standards, it could also be assumed that prostitution would become a viable profession with a good standard of living associated with it.

Personally I find it totally wrong to be honest. I can't really explain but I am 100% against it. People can do so much more with their lives than that.

Sure, many people are capable of doing more "important" things with their lives but most people don't. Most people end up janitors, house painters, bottom rung white collar employees that are easily replaced, or any of a number of jobs that almost anybody can do. Prostitution is a service that will be offered regardless of legality. Legalizing the whole thing means you can regulate and tax the process, resulting in reduced dangers for the client (and prostitute) along with helping to ensure a better quality of life for people who choose to lower themselves to the position.

 

[Grenbyron]

What is the difference between prostitution and the rest of the labor market and do you find anything ethical wrong in selling sex?

the difference between prostitution and the rest of the labor market is that there is no standard. Its like the difference between smoking weed and drinking. One is illegal and one is legal, never mind that they have almost the same effects. I think it is frowned upon because our nation was created by good church going folk that believed sex was a sin that caused you to go blind and should only be engaged in for the merit of procreation.

As for ethically wrong, no. The problem with it is that you would need tight restrictions on it if it was to be nationally legalized. Prostitution is the primary source of Drug Abuse, Disease, and Pregnancy. I do not have a problem with the stupid drugging themselves into oblivion but using it as a weapon to force people to sell themselves is a crappy thing to do. The US does have the issue of overcrowding. Prostitution would not help that. All 3 can be stopped with work restrictions or Unions. (Union Local 69, hehe)

Many countries where Prostitution is legal, the murder, rape, molestation rates are way down. But that is hurt by the fact that Nevada has one of the highest in the country. Even that could be because you are mixing too many vices in one place.

Short Answer: Some people are really only good for one thing and if that is what they want to do then who am I to stand in their way.

 

[Autohellion]

Well.. IMO due the communicable sicknesses, chance of births equaling financially/morally unsupported children and the probability of women being forced into it prostitution should not be legalized unless it is monitored to the extreme,Has a union ,has strict standards set and has all the rules and regulations of any current trade.


Now realistically doing any of that would be near impossible due to the fact it violates a large percentage of the populations moral code. Both because sex is currently perceived by a majority of people as a semi-sacred thing that should carry more meaning than just to slake carnal lust. Another is (if you subscribe to the theory) it is perverted because of contraceptives that would have to be used would be no chance of producing offspring.

 

[s0denone]

I asked you to take my ludicrous claim with a grain of salt, as - you know - it was exagerrated terribly. The fact that you're taking offence makes me judge you as either a passive-aggressive... excuse me, passively-active, feminist. Or a lesbian.


The truth of the matter is that if a woman ask a man to have sex the first time they meet, could be in a club, in a restaurant, in a bar: He will say yes, no hesitating.

If a man ask a woman the same thing, she will not say yes, she WANTS THE CHASE. She wants the man to DO SOMETHING to show her that he's interested/attracted. She wants compliments, gifts, flirting: The fact that in order to obtain one thing, one is required to comply with certain requirements makes the thing, by definition, a power-tool... Doesn't it?

Feel free to stamp me a male chauvinist, or whatever; It's fact that women want to be treated like princesses, want to feel special, want the man to show her that he wants her. In return of this, they give their "Love" and "Devotion" and Sex.

Sure times are changing, I'll try to embrace it to the best of my ability, but that doesn't change the fact that males have always fought for the right to copulate with females, with other males; To impress - and most likely always will.

You will also have to excuse my terrible rhetoric, but I'm very tired.

Well, firstly, I'm neither. I'm heterosexual and one of those sexually submissive females I mentioned, I have no interest in using sex as a power-tool because I much prefer a man to be in charge, and I'd never dream of demanding anything from my partner in exchange for it. That's one of the reasons why I found your assertion so offensive, although honestly I can't imagine anyone who doesn't taken offence to the blanket statement "all women are prostitutes".

You haven't stopped making generalisations though, you've just changed them slightly. Saying "All women do this because they feel like this" is always bound to offend somebody, because we're not all the same, as confusing as we may be to you. Many girls will sleep with a guy on the first date just because they want sex, many go out to clubs trawling looking for one-night-stands, I have a few friends who like to operate that way. Women do not necessarily wait to be hit on or for a man to show interest, some will be assertive and make the first move, too.

Not all women want a man to chase after her trying to win her over and doing things to earn her affections. As I said, I am one such female, a lot of us like the caveman, the bloke who has confidence in himself and can take what he wants without begging for it like a sick puppy. What you say is probably true of submissive men and dominant women, but it is certainly not true of all men and women.

If you cease making generalisations and painting us all with the same demented-power-craving brush, I'll ease up.

You got me all wrong. The question really is:

Do you expect something of you boyfriend? (Check all that apply)
Yes [ ]
No [ ]
Certainly [ ]
Yeah, he better get me a.. [ ]
All above (Except "No") [ ]


Do men expect that much from their girlfriends? In my opinion, no.

That was my point. The man is pulling out the chair for the woman to sit down, paying the restaurant bill, charming her with roses. Gets her gifts because he knows she will be disappointed if he doesn't.


I'm not at all about "Let nice guys" have a chance or whatever (You called them "Submissive Men") I'm just stating that women have expectations for a man to live up to, or else she deems him unworthy of her terrific body-openings.

If you have no expectations for you boyfriend, other than getting you a gift for christmas and your birthday, give me your number and I'll look you up

 

[iseko]

Prostitution is legal here. But it has to be in a "establishment of pleasure". Hookers can't go on the street.

 

[NekoAnastasia]

You got me all wrong. The question really is:

Do you expect something of you boyfriend? (Check all that apply)
Yes [ ]
No [ ]
Certainly [ ]
Yeah, he better get me a.. [ ]
All above (Except "No") [ ]


Do men expect that much from their girlfriends? In my opinion, no.

That was my point. The man is pulling out the chair for the woman to sit down, paying the restaurant bill, charming her with roses. Gets her gifts because he knows she will be disappointed if he doesn't.


I'm not at all about "Let nice guys" have a chance or whatever (You called them "Submissive Men") I'm just stating that women have expectations for a man to live up to, or else she deems him unworthy of her terrific body-openings.

If you have no expectations for you boyfriend, other than getting you a gift for christmas and your birthday, give me your number and I'll look you up

I think I have you exactly right. I expect my boyfriend to be faithful and honest with me, if I am with him. I do not expect him to buy me presents, unless it's a holiday and I also get them for him. He's lent me money, and I've paid him back. I've lent him money, and he's paid me back. I do not expect him to pay for dinner or be the sole bread-winner, we both work. I wouldn't object if, after weeks of me cooking his dinner, he wanted to take me to a restaurant and pay for me. Fair do's, I cooked for him, so he's taking me out, that's fair enough, but I wouldn't expect it. I wouldn't expect him to hold a door open for me or move my chair because I'm capable of doing so myself. I also wouldn't take offence if he did, and assume he thought I was unable to do things for myself, like a lot of feminists, but I still don't expect or require it.

I don't expect him to have to ask or beg me for sex. If he wanted it and I didn't, I'd do it anyway, because that's just me, and I want him to be happy. Although, I can't think of a circumstance when I wouldn't want to, unless I were feeling unwell, in which case he wouldn't ask, anyway.

You're still, still, using generalisations. Have you only met 2 women? Or only read about them? I'm astonished your observations haven't been challenged thus far, perhaps you're looking in the wrong place.

I expect nothing from my boyfriend that he doesn't expect from me, which is mutual respect for our relationship, honesty and faithfulness. You can "look me up", but as previously mentioned, I am quite obviously spoken for.

 

[s0denone]

You got me all wrong. The question really is:

Do you expect something of you boyfriend? (Check all that apply)
Yes [ ]
No [ ]
Certainly [ ]
Yeah, he better get me a.. [ ]
All above (Except "No") [ ]


Do men expect that much from their girlfriends? In my opinion, no.

That was my point. The man is pulling out the chair for the woman to sit down, paying the restaurant bill, charming her with roses. Gets her gifts because he knows she will be disappointed if he doesn't.


I'm not at all about "Let nice guys" have a chance or whatever (You called them "Submissive Men") I'm just stating that women have expectations for a man to live up to, or else she deems him unworthy of her terrific body-openings.

If you have no expectations for you boyfriend, other than getting you a gift for christmas and your birthday, give me your number and I'll look you up

I think I have you exactly right. I expect my boyfriend to be faithful and honest with me, if I am with him. I do not expect him to buy me presents, unless it's a holiday and I also get them for him. He's lent me money, and I've paid him back. I've lent him money, and he's paid me back. I do not expect him to pay for dinner or be the sole bread-winner, we both work. I wouldn't object if, after weeks of me cooking his dinner, he wanted to take me to a restaurant and pay for me. Fair do's, I cooked for him, so he's taking me out, that's fair enough, but I wouldn't expect it. I wouldn't expect him to hold a door open for me or move my chair because I'm capable of doing so myself. I also wouldn't take offence if he did, and assume he thought I was unable to do things for myself, like a lot of feminists, but I still don't expect or require it.

I don't expect him to have to ask or beg me for sex. If he wanted it and I didn't, I'd do it anyway, because that's just me, and I want him to be happy. Although, I can't think of a circumstance when I wouldn't want to, unless I were feeling unwell, in which case he wouldn't ask, anyway.

That sounds quite nice.

You're still, still, using generalisations. Have you only met 2 women? Or only read about them? I'm astonished your observations haven't been challenged thus far, perhaps you're looking in the wrong place.

The truth of the matter is that I picked a discussion for no reason, because of you being extremely offended by what I think is quite trivial (albeit lousy) humour. Then I was too stubborn to admit it was a stupid decision and stop arguing.

I expect nothing from my boyfriend that he doesn't expect from me, which is mutual respect for our relationship, honesty and faithfulness. You can "look me up", but as previously mentioned, I am quite obviously spoken for.

It was just a cheesy ripost as I had nothing to say, and in lieu of more nonsensical blabbering I decided to hit on you with a badly-put and very much out-of-place pick-up attempt.

I'd slumber to defeat eventually, you're completely right about just about everything you've written, I salute you for that.

This does, however, not change that I think prostitution is bad.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

Well.. IMO due the communicable sicknesses, chance of births equaling financially/morally unsupported children and the probability of women being forced into it prostitution should not be legalized unless it is monitored to the extreme,Has a union ,has strict standards set and has all the rules and regulations of any current trade.


Now realistically doing any of that would be near impossible due to the fact it violates a large percentage of the populations moral code. Both because sex is currently perceived by a majority of people as a semi-sacred thing that should carry more meaning than just to slake carnal lust. Another is (if you subscribe to the theory) it is perverted because of contraceptives that would have to be used would be no chance of producing offspring.

I'm not sure a union is the key here. In an "industry" like prostitution, where the only qualification that's really required is a certain body configuration, collective bargining loses a lot of it's power. In order for a walk-out or strike to hold any value, you have to ensure that your jobs are not easily replaced. Almost any female can be a prostitute without requiring more than a few minutes orientation for training (and, if an woman over the age of 18 needs the orientation I have to wonder strongly about her upbringing).

Regulation would be necessary. Hell, you could even have low cost "prostitute academes" to train a higher class of hooker. Sure, someone might still be able to get a cheaper jump off a street hooker, but I feel most people would be willing to pay more for some guarntee that they won't contract an illness for their moral waywardness.

On the other side of the coin, the idea of a prostitute union is kinda funny.

 

[October Country]

1) can you be a female prostitute? really you can't? so apparently there is a difference between using your hands to get money and selling your vagina/penis to get money.
2) how many modern societies can you name that are polygamist? most of the world still has a religion, all major religions(Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, etc.) use monotheistic teachings. Now there are certain small sects of Christianity(not Mormon) who are still polygamist, and their are some native religions and culture's who don't believe polygamy is wrong, but most of the world falls into the monogamist column.

I find it unnecessary to highlight the difference between using and selling a part of oneself, because in my opinion there is no difference. As a prostitute you are not selling your vagina/penis in the same way that you can sell some other physical item like a book, you are merely using that body part to serve some need. But I guess that is all a matter of definition...

I agree that most of the world's religions and societies are monogamous, but that does not mean that humans are monogamous by nature. Like so many other things it all depends on the upbringing and the inputs you recieve in the society where you find yourself.

 

[Zallest]

Kinda late to say this but if the search button was a Prostitute do you think it'd get many customers?

Right, now to actually contribute! Yes it is bad, Prostitution can have a negative impact on smaller kids who can see these legal street whores and aspire to be just like them. Thing in the world would be just a tad bit better if it wasn't in the gutter and if i didn't have to see half naked fugglies while driving to work every morning.

 

[Goatlemon]

I think the only reason prostitution is wrong is because there's no brothels, brothels=safety for the girls and a generally better working envrionment. If people are checked for STDs and there's guards and stuff it'd be just another job. The lack of brothels means the work is dangerous and the girls can be treated badly to the pimps whim. LEGALIZE IT AND BROTHELS AND THINGS'LL GET BETTER FOR EVERYONE!

See this post I've quoted? Read it, read it, then read it again, for Zee666 speaketh the truth.

In Australia prostitution, both male and female, is legal. You of course need to be licensed to own a parlour or be a private worker, but it is legal, and I think this is good as it means there are stringent rules and laws regarding health, safety and the treatment of the workers to protect both the clients and the ladies.

Have a look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs], specifically at the bottom, the base needs. What do you find? Food, water, breathing, excretion, sleep, homeostasis, and sex.

Why should some people feel untouched and alone simply because others find it immoral? If it's government regulated and safe I see nothing wrong with it.

Anyway, others may have already said this; I haven't read the whole thread yet so I may be just echoing others. Sorry if that's the case.

tl;dr: I agree with zee666.

Right, now to actually contribute! Yes it is bad, Prostitution can have a negative impact on smaller kids who can see these legal street whores and aspire to be just like them. Thing in the world would be just a tad bit better if it wasn't in the gutter and if i didn't have to see half naked fugglies while driving to work every morning.

In Australia there are no prostitutes half naked on the street, at least not any legal ones, there may be some illegal ones in some areas but I've never seen them. Why? Because they're all in a legal, safe and sanitary parlour away from the public eye.

Another thing I forgot to mention is that if they get a violent customer they can call and report it to the police without fear of being persecuted themselves.

 

[VoleurdeThym]

I'm pro-prostitution. Its going to happen no matter what, we may as well keep it safe, legal, clean and in brothels away from kids.

If we legalize it everywhere, it'll create countless jobs, make a fortune in taxes to the state... there are sooo many benefits.
Not to mention it'll make the world safer for women. There will be less risk of being forced into prostitution, having violent pimps, on the job beatings/rape, STD's, drug use, ect ect.

I wouldn't do it myself, but legalizing prostitution seems like a great idea.

 

[Chiasm]

Sex shouldn't be bought with money...I'm not religious but sex is something I'd only want to do with someone I loved(or at least knew remotely, or danced with at a party, or threw up on at a party, etc.)

Difference between Pornography and Prostitution?

 

[Jandau]

I think it should be legal IN PRINCIPLE...

...BUT heavily regulated. The potential for exploatation is always present where labour is involved, and due to the nature of this job, the danger is somewhat greater.

Prostitution workers should have their own unions, worker's rights, minimum wages, etc. and should be as protected (or even more so) as any other worker. Also, there should be strict health requirements for people in that profession and regular medical checkups. Something once or twice a month for the really serious things (AIDS, Hepatits, etc.) and once every few months for the less serious diseases. Intravenous drugs should be strictly prohibited and one should be able to lose his/her licence if caught using. Perhaps this could be extended to all drugs and perhaps even alcohol.

Prostitution should only be practiced in specific establishments and not on the street. You don't pick up a dentist on the corner, do you? Such establishments would also be subject to certain sanitary requirements.

 

[Goatlemon]

I think it should be legal IN PRINCIPLE...

...BUT heavily regulated. The potential for exploatation is always present where labour is involved, and due to the nature of this job, the danger is somewhat greater.

Prostitution workers should have their own unions, worker's rights, minimum wages, etc. and should be as protected (or even more so) as any other worker. Also, there should be strict health requirements for people in that profession and regular medical checkups. Something once or twice a month for the really serious things (AIDS, Hepatits, etc.) and once every few months for the less serious diseases. Intravenous drugs should be strictly prohibited and one should be able to lose his/her licence if caught using. Perhaps this could be extended to all drugs and perhaps even alcohol.

Prostitution should only be practiced in specific establishments and not on the street. You don't pick up a dentist on the corner, do you? Such establishments would also be subject to certain sanitary requirements.

You've hit the nail on the head there; most if not all of that is the practice in Australia. I'm not sure about the no alcohol thing though, no alcohol on the job certainly, but no alcohol at all? That's a bit harsh.

I think, I'm 100% sure though, that the minimum requirement for sex workers to be tested for all STDs is once a month in Australia.

 

[LOOY]

Prostitutes are like alcohol, the more you try and stop it, the worse things get.

 

[samsprinkle]

Sex shouldn't be bought with money...I'm not religious but sex is something I'd only want to do with someone I loved(or at least knew remotely, or danced with at a party, or threw up on at a party, etc.)

Difference between Pornography and Prostitution?

well...technically most porn addicts tend to have sex with themselves...so unless they sit on their arm there is no stranger...

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

Wasn't there like a 10 page thread about prostitution?


Search button maybe?


/being a prick about duplicate threads