PS1 or N64?

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Terramax said:
I rate games on their overall quality. Their entire criteria. Nintendo games have okay to very good gameplay, but lack depth, originality and presentation. To me, that's a good reason to downgrade a game.

From this viewpoint, if this is for 'best games' as you say, Nintendo's games arem't anywhere near 'best' at all.
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Of all the OSTs that I own, Ocarina of time is the only N64 game I own a soundtrack to. And like I said, Nintendo don't strive for art, and this is partially shown in their soundtracks for the N64 games.
Except that reviewing games on the basis of "their entire criteria" involves weighing gameplay more significantly than other attributes, since, by definition, it comprises the epicentre of the experience. Proceeding from this line of thought, it's hard to dismiss tites like Super Mario 64 or GoldenEye - which are uniformly acknowledged as possessing some of the best gameplay of their generation - as being any other than "deep", "original", or "well-presented".

Take the charge of N64 games not being innovative, for example. While it is true of some of the console's titles, there was also a myriad of games that bucked tradition released on the system in its heyday, including:

- Super Mario 64, which after a string of lackluster 3D platformers in the mid-90s set the precedent for its genre
- Blast Corps, which for its blending of different genres was widely praised by critics as setting a benchmark for innovation
- GoldenEye 007, which, arriving the same year as Quake II, expanded on the conventions of the FPS genre to incorporate mission objectives, detailed levels, character development, dozens of weapons, etc.
- Super Smash Bros., which included gameplay utterly different than that of the 2D and 3D fighters which preceded it
- Space Station Silicon Valley, which allowed you to take control of virtually every enemy included in the game, and was widely heralded by critics as being perhaps the most innovative 3D platformer of its generation
- Conker's Bad Fur Day, which was hailed as creativity for a number of reasons, including its off-beat plot, parodying of pop culture, blending of disparate genre elements, etc.

...And the list goes on. I should add, too, that all of the games listed above are more innovative than, say, Final Fantasy VII, which is essentially just a retread of its predecessors with updated visuals and an array of new art assets. Super Mario 64 and Zelda: Ocarina of Time, by contrast, actually reinvent their respective franchises in full 3D, and are thus indisputably more innovative than the former. Of course, the same can be said for alot of the PS1's premier franchises: the RPGs Square released rarely pushed boundaries, and series' like Mega Man hardly add to the PS1's credibility as a system "more innovative" than the N64. Not that it didn't have its fair share of creative franchises, mind you, but the point is: both consoles had their stalwarts, and both had their innovators - and frankly, trying to suggest otherwise of the N64 is patently ludicrous.

Terramax said:
Well I guess about 5 justifies the 's' at the end of game.
Actually, while there's four or five games on the N64 that IGN, to give an example of one publication, has ranked among the top 100 ever (with two in the top ten), the system itself has dozens upon dozens of great games. I can attest to this personally: I own over forty myself, very few of which I would describe as less than 'good'.

So sure, the PS1 has zillions of games, but if your game collection has between 10-20 titles (I figure I presume to be an average) than the N64 has more than enough in its roster to keep you occupied - and atleast as well as the competition, given the greatness of its best entries.

Terramax said:
If you can't tell, I'm a Sega Fanboy. I also love arcade games, so the Saturn was pretty much perfection (then the Dreamcast came out). The Saturn wasn't just a fighting game's console. There were some great classics, and multiplayer perfect games that amuse my friends and I to this day (we played Saturn Bomberman this Saturday just gone).
Just so you know, I'm not a Nintendo fangirl, by any means. My console-owning lineage goes from the NES to the Gen the N64 to the Dreamcast to the Xbox (so far). I loved the Dreamcast - games like Marvel vs. Capcom 2, Shenmue, Power Stone, and Skies of Arcadia I still play - and I decided not to buy a Gamecube because I found it hard to sum up enthusiasm to trod through another Zelda or lackluster Mario iteration (not to mention Rareware's auctioning off to Microsoft). But in its day, I still feel the N64 was a better console than the PS, and, for its ten or twenty best titles, it's the one I typically revisit more than the others.

As for now? I'm looking to buy a Saturn off eBay so I can own copies of NiGHTS into Dreams, Shining Force III, and Panzer Dragoon Saga, and am debating whether to buy an XBox 360 - Bio-Shock, Mass Effect, and Oblivion all have me giddy.
 

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Terramax said:
Final Fantasy VII, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, Klonoa: Door to Phantomile, Tomb Raider, Grand Theft Auto, Spyro the Dragon, Grandia, Rollcage, Silent Hill, Driver, Vagrant Story, Tekken 3, Gran Turismo, Ridge Racer Type 4, Wipeout, Street Fighter Alpha 3, the list goes on and on.

To me, the PSX and Saturn were the first consoles to dabble with art, something Nintendo has never done. That alone makes the consoles morally superior. Then there's the fact that the PSX were for adult audiences, whilst 80% Nintendo went for the ignorant kids/ family base.

I didn't get Mario 64. Mario did his usual as being the slippery little mofo that he is to control, levels, characters, soundtrack reused from every other Mario game.

Ocarina, I admit was really good at the time, but wasn't a scratch on Panzer Dragoon Saga or FFVII which actually had plots and memorable characters.

Smash Bros. was the only game listed so far I truly enjoyed (multiplayer)

Worst of all, the sound quality of most N64 games was just terrible. A game without a decent soundtrack can never be a classic (i.g. all Mario games).

I guess it's understandable to enjoy the 64 more if you're really young (like 10 or under) but for everyone else, there's no excuse.

Saturn comes second to the PSX i.e. Why play Smash Bros when you have Guardian Heroes?
I wasn't an ignorant kid and I owned a Nintendo 64. PS1 had great RPG's and Metal Gear Solid, but not much else that I remember playing. N64 had great shooters, action/adventure, and off-beat titles like Mystical Ninja and the first 3-D Mega Man (not to mention other classics like Shadows of the Empire, Mario 64, and the Zeldas). To this day my N64 collection dwarves my PS1 collection, and I loved both systems.
 

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Terramax said:
Final Fantasy VII, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, Klonoa: Door to Phantomile, Tomb Raider, Grand Theft Auto, Spyro the Dragon, Grandia, Rollcage, Silent Hill, Driver, Vagrant Story, Tekken 3, Gran Turismo, Ridge Racer Type 4, Wipeout, Street Fighter Alpha 3, the list goes on and on.

To me, the PSX and Saturn were the first consoles to dabble with art, something Nintendo has never done. That alone makes the consoles morally superior. Then there's the fact that the PSX were for adult audiences, whilst 80% Nintendo went for the ignorant kids/ family base.

I didn't get Mario 64. Mario did his usual as being the slippery little mofo that he is to control, levels, characters, soundtrack reused from every other Mario game.

Ocarina, I admit was really good at the time, but wasn't a scratch on Panzer Dragoon Saga or FFVII which actually had plots and memorable characters.

Smash Bros. was the only game listed so far I truly enjoyed (multiplayer)

Worst of all, the sound quality of most N64 games was just terrible. A game without a decent soundtrack can never be a classic (i.g. all Mario games).

I guess it's understandable to enjoy the 64 more if you're really young (like 10 or under) but for everyone else, there's no excuse.

Saturn comes second to the PSX i.e. Why play Smash Bros when you have Guardian Heroes?
And I hate to be the one to have to mention this... but the Saturn waned in comparison to N64 and PS1; or, rather, it's overall success was not even relevant compared to the sales of the N64 and PS1 (the Ps1 outsold the N64 by a ratio of 3:1, and the N64 outsold the Saturn by a ratio of 3.5:1... ouch!).

Check out the wikipedia page on the N64, and wikipedia quotes the Nintendo 2005 Sales report follow up at
 

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I too remember the 1st time I got my N64. That was my most memorable moment in life. I waited 2-3 years for it. And it exceeded every expectation (except Killer Instinct graphics) especially 3D gameplay. I had been playing games for 10 years prior so actual 3D ment so much to me... I'll be forever grateful that NINTENDO!!!! didn't f*^K around.

My favorite games... HMM..

Super Mario
Turok (blew me away)
Mario Kart
Wave Race!
Ocarina of Time
DooM64 (the only Doom game i really loved)
San Fransico RUSH


I would rather have 5 Superior games than a million sub-par games. I know the playstation had really good games, I just didn't like them very much.
 

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Except that reviewing games on the basis of "their entire criteria" involves weighing gameplay more significantly than other attributes, since, by definition, it comprises the epicentre of the experience.
Most certainly not. The gameplay in a game can be the best ever, but if the plotline or other elements don't give an incentive to persue further for any significant gain, the game as a whole completely falls apart.

Sure, games like Tetris work well with their simple but fun mechanics, but if you compare Mario 64, with its almost non-existent storyline that's pretty much a remake of all other Marios, when compared to Spyro or Psychonauts who have genuinely loveable characters (or have character period) then there's no contest.

The N64 was pretty good for multiplayer games, but anything 1player I found along with many others it full flat on its face. This is no surprise as Nintendo have always relied on groups i.e. families, to bring out the best in their material.

And I hate to be the one to have to mention this... but the Saturn waned in comparison to N64 and PS1; or, rather, it's overall success was not even relevant compared to the sales of the N64 and PS1 (the Ps1 outsold the N64 by a ratio of 3:1, and the N64 outsold the Saturn by a ratio of 3.5:1... ouch!).
We're not on about sales. Further more, I may be wrong here, but whilst on the subject the Saturn was the best selling console of the three in Japan during its lifetime.
 

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We're not on about sales. Further more, I may be wrong here, but whilst on the subject the Saturn was the best selling console of the three in Japan during its lifetime.[/quote]

I give you rigid information, and you present me with empty rhetoric!? I am offended AND confused! You are the greatest provacateur of all times! Everyone knows the PS-WII-60 Outsold all of them in Japan!
 

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The Resident Evil series, D (most under-rated game of all time), the first three Tomb Raiders, Tomb Raider, Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, Final Fantasy IX, Final Fantasy Tactics, Metal Gear Solid, Road Rash, Return Fire, the first series of Doom games, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Chrono Cross, Silent Hill, Syphon Filter, the Twisted Metal series, Wipe Out, Grand Theft Auto 1 and 2, Diablo, MediEvil, Xenogears, Parasite Eve, Dino Crisis and many more.

The Nintendo 64 (which I own and still play), had Goldeneye, Rogue Squadron, Super Mario 64, Turok and few others but that was about it, and a controller that was far inferior to the original dual shock. Sorry, this competition is not even close.
 

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N64 Hands down

I luved Mario 64
Banjo Kazzoie
Banjo Tooie
Zela ocarina of time
Majoras Mask
Lylat wars
Etc
 

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I miss the dreamcast most; strange because its the only one I never owned.

Of the N64 & PS(1) though...Id pick N64 because it was the last Nintendo I owned that had a good range of stand out titles outside the main franchises. Starfox 64, Goldeneye & Mariocart64 are probably three of the most fun games ive ever played (as I remember them neway). & Oricana of Time is the only Zelda game ive really liked (though never really got far playing it). Course the playstation was probably better overall but Sony are ebil monsters & at the time I dont remember playing many games on it other than Driver.
 

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Terramax said:
Most certainly not. The gameplay in a game can be the best ever, but if the plotline or other elements don't give an incentive to persue further for any significant gain, the game as a whole completely falls apart.

Sure, games like Tetris work well with their simple but fun mechanics, but if you compare Mario 64, with its almost non-existent storyline that's pretty much a remake of all other Marios, when compared to Spyro or Psychonauts who have genuinely loveable characters (or have character period) then there's no contest.
You're in denial my friend. Fine, so you liked the Saturn and PS1 better than the N64, but saying that a game with great and deep play mechanics is going to fall apart because of the lack of a good story is kind of unfair; I mean look at Mario, Halo, Starfox, etc. The titles you mention integrate the story elements with the pacing of the game, witch is truely great, but those games are noticabley concieved with a story line from the very begining, whilst the ones I mentioned where concieved through their gameplay (developing a story afterwards). I'm not critizising any of these methods, what I'm trying to say is that one way of doing something doesn't make the other one wrong.
 

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PS one !
Well i never had an N64, i was only about 10 at the time so i couldn't get them both
good times... :)
 

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I decided to take both. I have a plethora of Nintendo 64 ROMs, as well as the original PS1 still. Then again, when I was young I was a JRPG nut, so PS1 always took the threshold with Final Fantasy and Legend of the Dragoon. N64 was great for shooters though. Goldeneye and Perfect Dark wasted countless hours of my friend's and I's time.
 

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VikingRhetoric said:
PS1.

I had a N64, and quickly got bored with it because the games were too easy.
My sister is sooo bats**t crazy about the N64, she took it with her, and all of the games we had to College. The only game I really liked was LEGO Racers, and the other games (Mario 64, Banjo-Kazooie) were kind of scary.
 

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why are you makin me choose?!

I'd have to say ps1. mainly due to the final fantasys, crash bandicoot, sypro, tekken, Wild 9 , tenchu, bust a groove, discworld ( i know that they came out of the saturn too, but the poor dears been left out) and oddworld :3
 

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I'd be inclined to say the Playstation One. The N64's graphics were abysmal - the textures looked like they'd be done on MSPaint and I can count on one hand any game that didn't play at a framerate that was only marginally better than a slideshow. However, we can't deny the importance of games like Mario 64 or Zelda.
Also, the N64's pad was absolutely diabolical, although we need to remember that the Playstation pad was a direct rip-off of the SNES pad, and only exists because of a huge patenting malarkey that resulted in Sony (in their typically tyrannical way) costing Nintendo loads of money over a failed CD-ROM deal, yet still able to recreate their controller (albeit with 2 whole extra shoulder buttons).
I suppose that it's for these reasons that the Playstation versus N64 debate is a tricky one, as if it wasn't for Nintendo the first Playstation may never had existed. But alas, it has to be said, the Playstation's hardware and support gave it an undeniable edge over the N64's rustic performance.
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N64 was a decent console (because of the usual champions; mario, zelda...) but it didn't come up with any new franchises that made a mark, only improved on franchises on previous consoles. Playstation, however, started a ton of new franchises that were/are legendary. by the way...

PS top 5 -

1. Tony hawks pro skater 2
2. Spyro: year of the dragon
3. Quake II
4. Metal gear solid
5. Ape escape

by the way. Playstation's better.
 

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Going with the PS1. Nintendo flogged their dead horses to the point that new ghosts came out of them, with the exception of Goldeneye and maybe Banjo. They were decent-and sometimes even excellent games-but they weren't as important overall.

The PS1 had more interesting stuff, and overall better things in my opinion, with what was the best controller on the market. The tool for interface matters, as the X-box learned, and the PS1 controller was just flat out better than anything that came before it.

Games: Resident Evil 2, Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy 7, Abe's Oddessy, Monster Rancher, Castlevania SOTN, and Xenogears all really pushed what people thought these games were capable of.