PS3 backwards compatability...what gives?

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kazriko

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W00ty32 said:
OK:
:pS1:
PS1 Games
:pS2:
PS2 Games
PS1 Games

PS3 Gen 1 (20/60 GB)
PS1
PS2
PS3

PS3 Gen 2(40/80/120 GB)
PS1 Games
PS3 Games

PS3 Slim
PS1 Games (don't own slim, assuming here.)
PS3 Games

There. Just to freaking simplify this Damned topic.
Yep, That all seems pretty accurate. Only missing bit is that there was a PS3 1.5 generation, consisting of the 60gig in europe and the early 80 gig in the US that supported all 3 though a hybrid software/hardware approach.

You are right though about PS2 needing a PS1 memory card to save PS1 games.
 

chozo_hybrid

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This is why I have brought a backup PS2 if mine ever dies, I can still play my PS1/2 games.
 

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I reckon it's not compatible because they plan to (if they haven't started already) sell PS2 games for download on their PSN. What better way to make money than force people to buy all their fav games again?
 

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HG131 said:
Well, of course. You bought a PS3. What did you expect? A fairly priced console that has many good games and backwards compatibility? Um, that's what the 360 is, not the PS3.
No, it's not. The console you describe doesn't exist. The 360's backwards compatibility is made of poo. It probably plays about 25% of the discs I try.
 

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kazriko said:
Snotnarok said:
Genesis is compatible to Master System actually, you just needed to buy a extra bit that fit the cartriges, because the Genesis literally has a master system processor for a sound card.

Lots of systems featured BC, Gameboy Color, DS, Atari 7800, Colecovison let you play Atari 2600 games and they were working on one for Intelevision, Playstation 2, Wii.

I don't give a hoot if it saves them money, it's not helping their systems in the long run. Because lets' be realistic here, rumor has it Sony is going to start selling PS2 games on the PSN, hmm, that sounds like what 360 is doing. Oh man they're doing it so they can sell old games! GASP. I get companies have to make money but taking out BC is bullshit and the fact that they did it is pretty lame to me.

And it's not hard to emulate xbox, hell they have the Wii, Gamecube and PS2 (probably xbox at this point) emulated on PC, if a bunch of pirates can do it then the people who MADE THE STUPID CONSOLE should be able to make it work on their system.
Thanks for the info on the SMS, my first sega console was the Dreamcast, so I pretty much missed all that. The Colecovision emulating the 2600 was partly because the 2600 was an obsolete piece of junk whose hardware could be fit in a tiny box when it was first released. That was more cross-compatibility anyway. I mentioned the others...

PCs are much faster on general purpose code than the Xbox360 and PS3. There's no branch prediction (AT ALL) on the new consoles for one thing. They tried for over a year to get the EE and GS to be emulated all on the Cell, but in the end it was just too much. A rule of thumb is that you need 10x as many Flops and Mips on your newer system to emulate the older one. The Xbox360 is only about 5x as fast as the Xbox's processor for a single core on the 360, and only 15x as fast using all cores... then the Pentium 3 had far superior branch prediction. The PS3 has a clock that is 10x as fast, so they could emulate the EE chip even with it's 3 cores, 2 of which are SPE style vector processors, but the GS chip is just so different than anything else, and it's a GPU, rather than a CPU, so emulating it isn't as simple as emulating a processor. Not to mention that the memory bus on the PS2 is very unusual...

I always liken the GS to the Matrox Parhelia. It's really powerful, but doesn't push many triangles. It just layers tons of effects on simple models to make it look good. The Parhelia was the same, very powerful, but its power was used for quadruple layered textures rather than raw triangle pushing. Thus, it got trounced in all of the benchmarks and games that didn't use 4-layer textures... Both really shine when you optimize for them, both are going to be hard to simulate on different architectures even though it seems like they're weaker cards.
I know it's difficult and consoles don't have the ram PCs do and often it can be harder to emulate processors (specifically Playstation processors because lets face it Sony likes to make things difficult to program for.) But they HAVE gotten the games to work on 360 and run mostly perfect, but they stopped supporting it, I haven't seen a update for that in ages, instead they just put out games that you buy on XBL and you buy it/play it like that (I heard games run on XBL but not off disc, sounds fishy but I've heard weirder).

As for PS3 I recall hearing they had the PS2 processor in it and sure it cost more to put it in but they don't even offer the option to buy a model with that in it like they used to (40GB and 60GB did that). I'm sure that version would sell better than the others because lets face it, it's easier to have 1 console that does it all on our shelves than 3 (even though I do because I'm mental). And also it's gotta be MUCH cheaper to put the processor in a "premium console" than get a team to TRY to get PS2 games working via emulation because the PS2 library is larger than Gamecube and Xbox combine I'm sure.

Look honestly I'm dreaming of the stars here, they'll do what they want and I'm sure the lower price has made them more money than previous revisions. This is just one guy whining on a forum about features being tossed out that shouldn't be, in my opinion anyway.

I like Backwards compatibility, it's just that extra fallback I have if a console croaks I guess.
 

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certain ps3s are backwards compatible the smaller memory ones. the bigger ones and the slim software is needed which can be downloaded off of PSN but it doesn't work and Sony is supposedly fixing it
 

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Suggestion: Keep your old console, or track one down. The PS2 and original Xbox sell for cheap these days.
 

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PoisonUnagi said:
Get a PS2, then a PSX emulator for your computer. Then buy games for both.
Or just buy a ps2, they are backwards compatible.

On topic. Not all "phat" PS3's are backwards compatible but I would pick up a slim PS2 for about £100.
 

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Furioso said:
HG131 said:
Well, of course. You bought a PS3. What did you expect? A fairly priced console that has many good games and backwards compatibility? Um, that's what the 360 is, not the PS3.
I have both actually, but my problem isn't that it doesn't have backwords comp, it's that they took it away. (P.S.: 360 compatibility is a joke)
I've got a 60gig and even there the BC is a little twitchy.

Some games look great like, Shadow of The Colossus, God of War 2 and Tomb Raider: Annversery. But other games like MGS3, PoP: Sands of Time and Rachet and Clank like terrible.
 

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kazriko said:
*tons of intelligent information*
Well I must thank you for being so informative. I've learned quite a lot today, all thanks to you.

The biggest issue seems to be that a lot of people don't see BC as a privilege, but as a right. My own two cents on this would be that there's nothing that can really be gained with BC.

Not everyone would buy PS2 games for their PS3 even if they could. Sure, some of us would, but that would in no way be enough to outweigh the loss from upping the price of the PS3 again.

This was a logical step forward, and people should accept this.
 

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This...this is the reason why I really, really hope my 60GB, backward-compatible PS3 doesn't break down. I don't want to get a PS2 just to play one or two PS2 games occasionally.
 

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wait wait, you're saying only the 60gb (and lower) got BC? Mines 80gb and i got BC when i bought the system in the MGS4 bundle.

I guess i scored large huh?
 

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AdmiralAwesome said:
Sony originally said it they scrapped the backwards compatibility-chip to reduce the PS3's price. Fair point I guess, but isn't the PS3 powerful enough to do software-emulation..?
Pretty much this. Backwards compatibility is pretty dodge in the original 60GB ones anyway, just like in the xbox.
 

Mozza444

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Well I have the big, old, PHAT beast of a playstation.
So i can play Ps2 games.
But in all honesty, i never do.

The reason why the newer ones don't have it though is so they can drop the price of the console to "compete" with the 360 price tag.
 

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PoisonUnagi said:
Get a PS2, then a PSX emulator for your computer. Then buy games for both.
I'll second the emulator for computer. Assuming you have a decent gaming rig set up, you can run PSX games without a problem, and there are decent (but not great) PS2 emulators out there, too. Most of them will run ROMs and/or CDs, so you're good to go either way.