PS3 backwards compatability...what gives?

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Hiroshi Mishima

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Bright_Raven said:
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that is the WORST development/marketing decision EVER in the games industry since the Virtual Boy.
I do wish people'd stop comparing things to the Virtual Boy. The thing had genuine promise, and it was developed by the guy who'd made the GameBoy, Metroid, Kid Icarus and other great things. It wasn't HIS idea to push it out before it was ready because Nintendo was afraid their Penis would shrink if they didn't fill in the void caused by the N64's not being ready yet.

I still love getting out my Virtual Boy for Tennis, Pinball, and a few other games. Just play it in moderation and the headaches are manageable/avoidable.

But yes, do feel free to rage about the PS3. I remember when I first learned about the console, got interested, then heard about the price and various features and it was like being hit by a bucket of boiling water. Which is to say, it hurt.
 

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PoisonUnagi said:
omega 616 said:
PoisonUnagi said:
Get a PS2, then a PSX emulator for your computer. Then buy games for both.
Or just buy a ps2, they are backwards compatible.
Not with memory cards, so you can't save PSX games on a PS2 unless they use password-saves, like Crash Bandicoot.
Or just complete them in one go.

There are no good ps1 games that you can't download anyway, I am probably forgetting some though.
 

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The worst part is that they made more effort on making retro compatibility with the shitty games from the PSone... yeah they're classics, but still most of them still suck, and i don't believe that many people buy them online...
 

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They took it out to make it cheaper as far as I know.
Orcus_35 said:
The worst part is that they made more effort on making retro compatibility with the shitty games from the PSone... yeah they're classics, but still most of them still suck, and i don't believe that many people buy them online...
It's not like that. The PS3 needs to emulate PS2 games, but it can run PSone games fine, because PSone games used standard discs. It's not because "they made more effort on making retro compatibility with the shitty games from the PSone"
 

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UnusualStranger said:
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Not everyone Wii plays all GameCube games out of the box, but thats just because the Wii is based on the GC hardware...
Really? Huh. Did not know that. I'll look into that personally, first, since I'm paranoid and all, but thanks for the tip. Family has a Wii, so maybe I could find something for them in the older generation...
There are a lot of good GC games that were underrated (like Eternal Darkness) and old favourites that i love (Soul Calibur 2 [With Link] and the MGS 1 / Resi Evil remakes

Only down side is you need to have a GC controller and memory card which go in under the top flap (Classic Controller wont work) though i use the GC controller for Smash Bros Brawl and Mario Kart Wii along with Virtual Console so its worth it to me to keep it anyway
 

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reg42 said:
They took it out to make it cheaper as far as I know.
Orcus_35 said:
The worst part is that they made more effort on making retro compatibility with the shitty games from the PSone... yeah they're classics, but still most of them still suck, and i don't believe that many people buy them online...
It's not like that. The PS3 needs to emulate PS2 games, but it can run PSone games fine, because PSone games used standard discs. It's not because "they made more effort on making retro compatibility with the shitty games from the PSone"
They need to emulate the PS1 games too though, they arent run natively. PS1 Games are CD-Roms PS2 games are either CD-Rom (earlier titles) or DVD-Rom, all of which are "standard discs" so i dont see that argument working either...

Also like i said before on this thread the PAL PS3 60gb model used software emulation (not hardware like the US and Japan versions) to run PS1/2 titles so i dont see how that saves money, maybe a little R&D time would be to get it optimised for the slim but i cant see what would make the original emulator not be compatible.
 

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Hiroshi Mishima said:
Bright_Raven said:
Furioso said:
that is the WORST development/marketing decision EVER in the games industry since the Virtual Boy.
I do wish people'd stop comparing things to the Virtual Boy. The thing had genuine promise, and it was developed by the guy who'd made the GameBoy, Metroid, Kid Icarus and other great things. It wasn't HIS idea to push it out before it was ready because Nintendo was afraid their Penis would shrink if they didn't fill in the void caused by the N64's not being ready yet.

I still love getting out my Virtual Boy for Tennis, Pinball, and a few other games. Just play it in moderation and the headaches are manageable/avoidable.

But yes, do feel free to rage about the PS3. I remember when I first learned about the console, got interested, then heard about the price and various features and it was like being hit by a bucket of boiling water. Which is to say, it hurt.
The best part is i think Nintendo are using what they learnt from the Virtual Boy in the making of the 3DS (the recently announced 3D without glasses successor to the DS) i really wanna see how that works at E3.

I like that someone was brave enough to try to make something like the VB even though it was rushed and doesnt work as well as expected it still was one of the 1st 3D commercial products (and only available fully 3D console available to date, though the PS3 is 3D ready)
 

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Just to remind everyone...

Back when the PS3 was backwards compatible it was several hundred dollars more expensive. The drop in price is likely because they took out the Backwards compatibility.

As well At future shop and EB in my town the ps2 sells for 75$ CAD before taxes....

----Opinions past here----
Though i have a fat PS3 and i don't play my ps2 games anymore... I keep them for the memories they had but i played them to death. I also plan to sell my PS3 to my friend once i can afford the new slim ones, for no other reason then the much larger HDD. If i ever wanna play my old PS2 games i have my girlfriends PS2 we use as a dvd player in our bedroom. Though i haven't had the desire to do so in quite some time.

As well to the guy saying PS3's break down in a year or two with a yellow light of death... Well. I got mine three months after launch and she still works like she just came out of the box. The only time i have heard of one breaking is because a friend of mines mom stuck his on a radiator.... And it took three hours running for it to die
 

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Snotnarok said:
I know it's difficult and consoles don't have the ram PCs do and often it can be harder to emulate processors (specifically Playstation processors because lets face it Sony likes to make things difficult to program for.) But they HAVE gotten the games to work on 360 and run mostly perfect, but they stopped supporting it, I haven't seen a update for that in ages, instead they just put out games that you buy on XBL and you buy it/play it like that (I heard games run on XBL but not off disc, sounds fishy but I've heard weirder).
I've played some Xbox games off the disc, it required me to download a patch though for each and every game I tried to play though.

Xbox360 doesn't emulate the Xbox. They actually do a minimalistic port of the game to the Xbox360 instead. That's why it has to be done for each and every game, rather than doing it once and supporting 97% of all games like the PS3's software solution was able to do before they dropped the GS chip.

As for PS3 I recall hearing they had the PS2 processor in it and sure it cost more to put it in but they don't even offer the option to buy a model with that in it like they used to (40GB and 60GB did that). I'm sure that version would sell better than the others because lets face it, it's easier to have 1 console that does it all on our shelves than 3 (even though I do because I'm mental). And also it's gotta be MUCH cheaper to put the processor in a "premium console" than get a team to TRY to get PS2 games working via emulation because the PS2 library is larger than Gamecube and Xbox combine I'm sure.
They really did try to get it working, they may still be trying to get it working now. They had a team over in England working on it for at least 2 years before I heard the word that they had given up on full software BC. That was about the same time they announced that they were taking it out entirely. I've seen patents on EE emulation in the Cell since then, but not a peep about them actually taking advantage of them.
 

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Hubilub said:
kazriko said:
*tons of intelligent information*
Well I must thank you for being so informative. I've learned quite a lot today, all thanks to you.

The biggest issue seems to be that a lot of people don't see BC as a privilege, but as a right. My own two cents on this would be that there's nothing that can really be gained with BC.

Not everyone would buy PS2 games for their PS3 even if they could. Sure, some of us would, but that would in no way be enough to outweigh the loss from upping the price of the PS3 again.

This was a logical step forward, and people should accept this.
Thanks for the kind words.

Yeah, It really is a bit of a niche thing. I love having my 20gig though. The only thing that can be gained from PS3's BC to PS2? Smoothed graphics scaled up to 1080p, and nearly unlimited storage of saved games. Even without the BC, if you buy the PS2 card adapter the PS3 makes an excellent library for saved game archival. You can copy the saved games to the PS3, then copy them to USB to archive them, etc.

Negatives? There's a slight delay in the rendering of the video on PS2 BC. This can be deadly for rhythm games. I actually switched Steambot Chronicles to the native PS2 because of this problem.


stabnex said:
EDIT: There IS a FREE Backwards Compatibility patch. BUT. It only lets you play games that required a hard drive because those services paid Sony to let ppl upgrade to the PS3 and still let them play the pay-to-play online games like FFXI.
Actually, this only works if you have a PS3 that is already backward compatible. It doesn't work on the ones that aren't. All it is, is a partition emulator to let hard drive using games use the PS3's hard drive instead.

I actually played FF11 on the PS3. It was really muddy and low quality, but it works. It's better to play it on a PC if you have it, or even an Xbox360. Looking forward to FF14.

Alphavillain said:
This...this is the reason why I really, really hope my 60GB, backward-compatible PS3 doesn't break down. I don't want to get a PS2 just to play one or two PS2 games occasionally.
On the plus side, if it does break down, you can send it back to Sony to be repaired for $150 even without the original receipt. I've done this once to my 20gig PS3. (One thing to never do: Don't use your original PS3's for folding at home 24/7. I burned the graphics chip out in about a year and a half of folding.)
 

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Isn't a PS3 with backwards compatibility the same price as a PS3 without backwards compatibility and a PS2.
Corect me if I'm wrong.
Bright_Raven said:
wait... since when does it not play PS2 games?
Since the first PS3 after the MotorStorm or MGS4 bundle
 

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Brain_Cleanser said:
Besides, if you already have a PS2, there's no point in playing the games on the PS3, since you can't transfer MemoryCard Data to the PS3, you're just gonna start all over again.
And I'll be damned if I'm starting Dragon Quest 8 all over again from the half way point.
http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-3-Memory-Card-Adaptor/dp/B000K1GZIU

It's not for sale new anymore, but there's your PS1/2 to PS3 memory card adapter. It's fully bidirectional and works even if your PS3 doesn't have BC at all.
 

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kazriko said:
Snotnarok said:
I know it's difficult and consoles don't have the ram PCs do and often it can be harder to emulate processors (specifically Playstation processors because lets face it Sony likes to make things difficult to program for.) But they HAVE gotten the games to work on 360 and run mostly perfect, but they stopped supporting it, I haven't seen a update for that in ages, instead they just put out games that you buy on XBL and you buy it/play it like that (I heard games run on XBL but not off disc, sounds fishy but I've heard weirder).
I've played some Xbox games off the disc, it required me to download a patch though for each and every game I tried to play though.

Xbox360 doesn't emulate the Xbox. They actually do a minimalistic port of the game to the Xbox360 instead. That's why it has to be done for each and every game, rather than doing it once and supporting 97% of all games like the PS3's software solution was able to do before they dropped the GS chip.

As for PS3 I recall hearing they had the PS2 processor in it and sure it cost more to put it in but they don't even offer the option to buy a model with that in it like they used to (40GB and 60GB did that). I'm sure that version would sell better than the others because lets face it, it's easier to have 1 console that does it all on our shelves than 3 (even though I do because I'm mental). And also it's gotta be MUCH cheaper to put the processor in a "premium console" than get a team to TRY to get PS2 games working via emulation because the PS2 library is larger than Gamecube and Xbox combine I'm sure.
They really did try to get it working, they may still be trying to get it working now. They had a team over in England working on it for at least 2 years before I heard the word that they had given up on full software BC. That was about the same time they announced that they were taking it out entirely. I've seen patents on EE emulation in the Cell since then, but not a peep about them actually taking advantage of them.
As I said, it's just something I'd like to see. I DO understand that there's a lot involved but when a company just drops something when they already set out to do it/had it working, but then drop it, it's disappointing. They are by no means bad consoles, and I honestly I shouldn't be complaining because I have all the systems (and a PS3 that is BC). But it's more of an irk that they had it going, but stopped.

It's just something I wish they kept up with, perhaps as a just in case the system DOES die and there's no means of getting another working one. Sure that's a bit of a hard situation to picture but these are disc based systems and they do break easier than say a Genesis or a NES because of moving parts.
 

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Aby_Z said:
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Because they want more money of course. They said a while ago that "People who buy PS3 games don't buy PS2 games".

In other words, Sony decided that if you had a PS3 you weren't going to be buying games that were on the PS2 anyway, and vice versa.

-sigh-
Umm... What? They said that? [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouFailLogicForever]

Hmm... now that I think about it, I don't like any of the current gen consoles.

I'll just stick to my PS2 for the time being...
Some article on Kotaku a long while ago said something along the lines of that, yes.

Also no, I refuse to be caught in your trap known as TVTropes.
Dammit [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigNo]
 

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kazriko said:
Brain_Cleanser said:
Besides, if you already have a PS2, there's no point in playing the games on the PS3, since you can't transfer MemoryCard Data to the PS3, you're just gonna start all over again.
And I'll be damned if I'm starting Dragon Quest 8 all over again from the half way point.
http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-3-Memory-Card-Adaptor/dp/B000K1GZIU

It's not for sale new anymore, but there's your PS1/2 to PS3 memory card adapter. It's fully bidirectional and works even if your PS3 doesn't have BC at all.
Huh, did not know that.
But, still, I don't see the point in it if you have PS2 still. I've even used mine a few times since I got my PS3 (About a month, a month of pure bliss, mind you, but still). 80 used, 100 new, 70 for a used Fat. The used fat is a bloody new game in this generation, and since the PS2 games are dirt cheap now a days, what does it matter/
 

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I can't see how anyone would care. If you have PS2 games you should have a PS2 anyway. If you don't have PS2 games then why the hell would you buy any if you have a PS3? Kinda obvious in my opinion.

If you really need a PS2 game then go buy a PS2. They are shit cheap. Less than what PS1 was when PS2 was the current console
 

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I only found out about this a couple weeks ago speaking to my close friend. that really sucks. But it makes me happy that i got my PS3 when I did. I have a 60GB. I also much more like the original look than the new slim.