Not precisely. "Both" "Joint events" can involve more than two people. Actually "joint events" can be quite big.Fagotto said:What I mean? Pretty funny there. It's pretty obvious. Event. Involving. Both. People. Working. Together.JesterRaiin said:Jezu Chryste na stelażu...Fagotto said:
Could you explain what you mean by "joint event" ? C'mon, indulge me.
that sound you just heard was your sorry ass being blacklisted by every woman in the world who does not consider herself property. "claim what's yours?" what the hell is wrong with you? being friends with a girl never has and never will entitle you to more. you'll hear "no" a lot in your life, so let me assure you that "no" is exactly what the majority of women you meet mean to say.JesterRaiin said:This post is about simple question : "friendzone inhabitants, y u no stood up and claimed what's yours ?"
"No". Exactly.Fagotto said:No. Now is this a thread about romantic relationships?JesterRaiin said:Not precisely. "Both" "Joint events" can involve more than two people. Actually "joint events" can be quite big.Fagotto said:What I mean? Pretty funny there. It's pretty obvious. Event. Involving. Both. People. Working. Together.JesterRaiin said:Jezu Chryste na stelażu...Fagotto said:
Could you explain what you mean by "joint event" ? C'mon, indulge me.
But let's move on. Are "joint events" exclusive to let's say "feelings", "romantical relationship" and such ?
You're just one person. What gives you right to speak for every girl/woman out there ? Chill a little. There's a saying that "The anger is harmful to the beauty".Divine Miss Bee said:that sound you just heard was your sorry ass being blacklisted by every woman in the world who does not consider herself property. "claim what's yours?" what the hell is wrong with you? being friends with a girl never has and never will entitle you to more. you'll hear "no" a lot in your life, so let me assure you that "no" is exactly what the majority of women you meet mean to say.JesterRaiin said:This post is about simple question : "friendzone inhabitants, y u no stood up and claimed what's yours ?"
i'm going to stop now, because people like you make me sick.
i'm not pretending to have the right to speak for every woman in the world, but i do know from he experience of being a person that 100% of women (and men, for that matter) consider themselves to be humans who can make up their own minds, and the rest of the world has to man up and deal with those decisions. also, i looked at your profile and now i'm confused. i didn't think poland was one of those european countries that culturally teaches men that women aren't people. so i guess i learned something today in addition to reinforcing what i already knew about people who don't have enough thoughts of their own to avoid quoting others.JesterRaiin said:You're just one person. What gives you right to speak for every girl/woman out there ? Chill a little. There's a saying that "The anger is harmful to the beauty".Divine Miss Bee said:that sound you just heard was your sorry ass being blacklisted by every woman in the world who does not consider herself property. "claim what's yours?" what the hell is wrong with you? being friends with a girl never has and never will entitle you to more. you'll hear "no" a lot in your life, so let me assure you that "no" is exactly what the majority of women you meet mean to say.JesterRaiin said:This post is about simple question : "friendzone inhabitants, y u no stood up and claimed what's yours ?"
i'm going to stop now, because people like you make me sick.
Could you be a bit more specific about which part of Miss Bee's post you were disagreeing with, because you give the impression that you disagree with it all. If that's the case, then I'd have to agree that you've got a very warped view of how relationships work. For example, do you disagree with this part:JesterRaiin said:You're just one person. What gives you right to speak for every girl/woman out there ? Chill a little. There's a saying that "The anger is harmful to the beauty".Divine Miss Bee said:that sound you just heard was your sorry ass being blacklisted by every woman in the world who does not consider herself property. "claim what's yours?" what the hell is wrong with you? being friends with a girl never has and never will entitle you to more. you'll hear "no" a lot in your life, so let me assure you that "no" is exactly what the majority of women you meet mean to say.JesterRaiin said:This post is about simple question : "friendzone inhabitants, y u no stood up and claimed what's yours ?"
i'm going to stop now, because people like you make me sick.
because I think that that is the crux of the argument here. Just because you are 'there for her' does not mean that she owes you a romantic relationship. By assuming that that is the case you are completely devaluing any friendship that anyone has with a woman.Divine Miss Bee said:
I think the idea is that you approach or talk to someone, let's say in a college class or work, and you become friendly with them. But you never make a move but think that you did, either because this person didn't or the girl doesn't recognize it as such. So you become known as a friend. I seriously think that's all there is to it. How is that impossible. Maybe the girl is telling you by her not making a move she's not interested though a lot of women themselves don't make the first move or as previously mentioned, she never realized you were interested.Hugga_Bear said:
b3nn3tt said:JesterRaiin said:There's some problems with the reasoning here. Who's saying that being nice entitles them to sex or anything? Who's saying that men and women can't jsut be friends?Divine Miss Bee said:JesterRaiin said:This post is about simple question : "friendzone inhabitants, y u no stood up and claimed what's yours ?"
because I think that that is the crux of the argument here. Just because you are 'there for her' does not mean that she owes you a romantic relationship. By assuming that that is the case you are completely devaluing any friendship that anyone has with a woman.Divine Miss Bee said:
OT: I think my quote response covered most of this, but my feelings are that the friend zone is a myth. It is created and perpetuated by people either too immature to realise that men and women can be friends, or too fragile to accept rejection.
If a woman says she 'likes you as a friend' (or vice versa, but I'm using women as it the more commonly-used example) then it means that she is not interested in pursuing a romantic relationship with you. Taking this and then constantly working to change her mind and show her how wrong she is is only going to result in you not being with her anyway, but also losing that friendship. Although this does have the advantage on the woman's side of showingthat you weren't actually that good a friend anyway, so in the long run she's better off with you not in her life.
*Disclaimer: 'you' is used in a general sense and does not refer to any specific person.
The term doesn't cover either of those and it and no one that has said that have used the term has either.
Not only that but earlier people were saying that they'd much rather prefer a straight up rejection. So this idea of immature misogynist is bunk. At worst, we're talking about naive people. The idea is that there is doubt as to whether the woman would be interested in a relationship if she considered it. Only one line of what you said has to do with the initial question. Which is why no one tries to say otherwise when a girl says that you're only their friend and that you're in the friendzone(I hate even writing the term though).
fact is there might be nothing wrong with saying that maybe she should think about dating or even asking her out. Doing anything aggressively stupid or maybe doing anything, could be the wrong thing. But there is no concrete, unanimous belief of what to do about it. So you're basically making that up, but the advice is about as good as any.
Also wanting to be in a relationship with someone wouldn't suddenly make a person bad. Maybe they won't focus so much and treat them more like regular friends, whatever that may be.
Alternatively, I can see a situation where a hypothetical person realizes he's in love with a friend that they've known for years, and isn't that a big cliche. So what you're saying is these people would be jerks for trying to figure out if the other person might or could have feelings for them? I ask that rhetorically cause obviously I don't think so.
Yes, you pretend, no, your experiences aren't enough, no, there's noone that's 100% pure gender, meh, "the rest of the world" is a very big word, and covers lands, cultures, people, history and topics you don't have a clue about, no, your assumptions are wrong, micro doesn't equal macro, and no country can be judged by experiences gained from meeting of one of its inhabitants, actually, whoever does is either young, naive or very closeminded, also, i don't know where did you get your impression about women not being people, and, finally, since i checked last time quoting is commonly accepted tool of discussion.Divine Miss Bee said:i'm not pretending to have the right to speak for every woman in the world, but i do know from he experience of being a person that 100% of women (and men, for that matter) consider themselves to be humans who can make up their own minds, and the rest of the world has to man up and deal with those decisions. also, i looked at your profile and now i'm confused. i didn't think poland was one of those european countries that culturally teaches men that women aren't people. so i guess i learned something today in addition to reinforcing what i already knew about people who don't have enough thoughts of their own to avoid quoting others.JesterRaiin said:You're just one person. What gives you right to speak for every girl/woman out there ? Chill a little. There's a saying that "The anger is harmful to the beauty".Divine Miss Bee said:that sound you just heard was your sorry ass being blacklisted by every woman in the world who does not consider herself property. "claim what's yours?" what the hell is wrong with you? being friends with a girl never has and never will entitle you to more. you'll hear "no" a lot in your life, so let me assure you that "no" is exactly what the majority of women you meet mean to say.JesterRaiin said:This post is about simple question : "friendzone inhabitants, y u no stood up and claimed what's yours ?"
i'm going to stop now, because people like you make me sick.
Sure buddy. I stopped reading right after first words. I can't help it - i'm allergic to people acting like some sort of vox populi just because they share some attributes with some of them. I'm ready to think and discuss about pretty much every point of view but not with everyone. I'm picky.b3nn3tt said:
To paraphrase Sir Winston Churchill "Lady, i may be good for nothing dunce hailing from shi*hole of Europe, that use google translator, but my points are valid. You, on the other hand come here, act like on period and expect what ? That someone will bow down before your poorly chosen arguments because your chromosomes are a little different ?"Divine Miss Bee said:
i am proving you wrong by holding an opinion that disagrees with yours. i'm surprised that you, playing as you are the worldly gentleman mysogynist, aren't quite...let's say "present" enough to see that. we're human, we don't have the same ideas. you say i'm not allowed to reject a man because men have a right to my body just by making my acquaintance, i say that i disagree. at the end of the day, my opinion counts the most over who i go home with and the opinions of any other person in my circle of friends does not. to say otherwise is either laughably small-minded or a staggering feat of straight idiocy.JesterRaiin said:
Although I've been planning a blog post for a while here is the short version...crazyarms33 said:
BluesHadal said:b3nn3tt said:I would say that the 'friend zone' is something completely separate to being friends with a woman. To me, the friend zone is a term only used when somebody feels hard done by that one of their female friends doesn't want to date them. Hence, when I see the term friend zone, that is what I assume it to be referring to. granted, other people may use different definitions, so I'll avoid assuming that straight off the bat in future.JesterRaiin said:There's some problems with the reasoning here. Who's saying that being nice entitles them to sex or anything? Who's saying that men and women can't jsut be friends?Divine Miss Bee said:JesterRaiin said:This post is about simple question : "friendzone inhabitants, y u no stood up and claimed what's yours ?"
because I think that that is the crux of the argument here. Just because you are 'there for her' does not mean that she owes you a romantic relationship. By assuming that that is the case you are completely devaluing any friendship that anyone has with a woman.Divine Miss Bee said:
OT: I think my quote response covered most of this, but my feelings are that the friend zone is a myth. It is created and perpetuated by people either too immature to realise that men and women can be friends, or too fragile to accept rejection.
If a woman says she 'likes you as a friend' (or vice versa, but I'm using women as it the more commonly-used example) then it means that she is not interested in pursuing a romantic relationship with you. Taking this and then constantly working to change her mind and show her how wrong she is is only going to result in you not being with her anyway, but also losing that friendship. Although this does have the advantage on the woman's side of showingthat you weren't actually that good a friend anyway, so in the long run she's better off with you not in her life.
*Disclaimer: 'you' is used in a general sense and does not refer to any specific person.
The term doesn't cover either of those and it and no one that has said that have used the term has either.
Not only that but earlier people were saying that they'd much rather prefer a straight up rejection. So this idea of immature misogynist is bunk. At worst, we're talking about naive people. The idea is that there is doubt as to whether the woman would be interested in a relationship if she considered it. Only one line of what you said has to do with the initial question. Which is why no one tries to say otherwise when a girl says that you're only their friend and that you're in the friendzone(I hate even writing the term though).
fact is there might be nothing wrong with saying that maybe she should think about dating or even asking her out. Doing anything aggressively stupid or maybe doing anything, could be the wrong thing. But there is no concrete, unanimous belief of what to do about it. So you're basically making that up, but the advice is about as good as any.
Also wanting to be in a relationship with someone wouldn't suddenly make a person bad. Maybe they won't focus so much and treat them more like regular friends, whatever that may be.
Alternatively, I can see a situation where a hypothetical person realizes he's in love with a friend that they've known for years, and isn't that a big cliche. So what you're saying is these people would be jerks for trying to figure out if the other person might or could have feelings for them? I ask that rhetorically cause obviously I don't think so.
That being said, my definition is the reason behind the rest of my response. I'm definitely not saying that people can't be friends first and things then move on to romance. I assumed that in the OP, the scenario described was that somebody had asked their friend out, and had been told that they were just friends, and that from there the poster was suggesting people follow that up with continued requests to be more than that. To be honest, it is a little difficult to understand exactly what the OP was suggesting, so I may have misread the whole thing. In the scenario as I read it, that person is not being a good friend at all.
I think that if someone says they only see you as a friend, you have to accept that, pursuing it further will only damage the friendship.
"I beg to differ" proves nothing. That's not even an argument. I can say "i disagree with your disagreement" and ? Will you play "oh, then i disagree with your disagreement over my disagreement" card ? That leads to nowhere.Divine Miss Bee said:
Divine Miss Bee said:
Our relationship is neither good nor profound, so kindly please stop putting things in my mouth. I feel violated by this behavior.Divine Miss Bee said:
No, why ? The right to fight for what we consider important for us, to struggle for change is not only one of our privileges. It's our duty...Muspelheim said:
