Racist against....whites?

[Maze1125]

Now that I spent the last post replying here is my actual opinion.

Before racism, please define "race". Is it something that makes people want to go fast? Is it a bread of something?
Maybe a race is a group of people that share the same traits. Like a family

If racism means the belief that certain "races" are better at others at particular things, then isn't Blizzard racist for giving trolls faster regeneration than tauren?
Or is racism the act of treating people differently because of thier genes?

If the later, then isn't it racist to take your daughter to school, and not the other kids who are strangers also might want a ride? Is it not racist to take care of your mother when she is sick or to help pay for her medicle bills when there are others that may need help with thier bills as well? How about protecting your brother or cousin from a bully and not taking as big of a notice when he/she picks another target?

Your blood is your race, your race is your family, your family is your clan, your clan is you home.
After all, the saying goes "Blood is thicker than water". People don't get angry when some one else spills thier water, but when blood is spilt, it is war

You don't do those things for your family because they share genetics with you, but because they are your family.
"What's the difference?" you ask?
Very simple. I'm adopted, so I share no direct genetics with my family, yet I would still do all those things for them, and them for me, because they are my family.

Any discrimination base upon genetics could very well be considered to be racism.
But looking after your family is not discriminating based upon genetics, even if it may appear to be so a first.

 

[Alex_P]

If we had a white version of the Million Man March, we'd be gunned down in a heartbeat.
If we advertised "White Pride!" as opposed to "Black Pride!", we'd be gunned down.
If we had White Entertainment Magazine, we'd be gunned down.
If we had Miss White America, we'd be gunned down.
If a white comedian made fun of black people in place of black comedians making fun of white people, well...you get it.

Bullshit.

The Klan holds public rallies. Nobody gets "gunned down".
At these rallies, they shout "white pride! white power!" and nobody gets "gunned down".
Extremists publish their own little extremist magazines that fastidiously try to depict only white people. Nobody gets "gunned down".
I'm pretty sure either the Klan or some neo-Nazi group has actually had their own tiny little "Miss White America" pageant. Again, nobody got "gunned down".
Comedians do sometimes actually say racist things against blacks. Usually it's just, y'know, more subtle. When they say really obviously racist things, like Michael Richards did when he kinda flipped out that one time, they don't get "gunned down" -- they just get jeered.

So, yeah, white people doing racist shit don't get shot. What they do get is public ridicule. Because their behavior is considered socially unacceptable. In America and Western Europe, the elites and the mainstream have forsaken these kind of crude public displays of racism.

Moreover, privileged whites simply don't want to think of themselves as part of a "white" culture. They like the myth that their class culture transcends race -- that all educated and successful people think like they do and have the same tastes and values. (This is, y'know, the myth that Stuff White People Like [http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/] is all about subverting.)

So, to anybody who is in the white upper middle class or wants to be in the white upper middle class, focusing on "your race" is a big no-no because it paints you as the wrong kind of white person -- the kind who's poor, uneducated, some kind of "redneck" or "white trash". SWPL-white people don't want to have a "Miss White America" pageant because it's important to them that the beauty pageant that represents their beliefs and preferences be represented as all America.

Now, of course some of these mainstream successful folks are still rather racists. But they can't do racist shit without their white friends, even the other racist ones, responding negatively because any kind of overt racism is a faux pas. That's why, when mainstream white people practice racism, they turn to crypto-racism -- they dress up their racist emotional response in some other issue intellectually.

And crypto-racism is actually still pretty socially acceptable right now. As long as you don't outright say "I hate brown people," you can campaign pretty vociferously against brown people and nobody will call you out for being a racist jerk.

-- Alex

 

[Lukirre]

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Bullshit.

The Klan holds public rallies. Nobody gets "gunned down".
At these rallies, they shout "white pride! white power!" and nobody gets "gunned down".
Extremists publish their own little extremist magazines that fastidiously try to depict only white people. Nobody gets "gunned down".
I'm pretty sure either the Klan or some neo-Nazi group has actually had their own tiny little "Miss White America" pageant. Again, nobody got "gunned down".
Comedians do sometimes actually say racist things against blacks. Usually it's just, y'know, more subtle. When they say really obviously racist things, like Michael Richards did when he kinda flipped out that one time, they don't get "gunned down" -- they just get jeered.

So, yeah, white people doing racist shit don't get shot. What they do get is public ridicule. Because their behavior is considered socially unacceptable. In America and Western Europe, the elites and the mainstream have forsaken these kind of crude public displays of racism.

Moreover, privileged whites simply don't want to think of themselves as part of a "white" culture. They like the myth that their class culture transcends race -- that all educated and successful people think like they do and have the same tastes and values. (This is, y'know, the myth that Stuff White People Like [http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/] is all about subverting.)

So, to anybody who is in the white upper middle class or wants to be in the white upper middle class, focusing on "your race" is a big no-no because it paints you as the wrong kind of white person -- the kind who's poor, uneducated, some kind of "redneck" or "white trash". SWPL-white people don't want to have a "Miss White America" pageant because it's important to them that the beauty pageant that represents their beliefs and preferences be represented as all America.

Now, of course some of these mainstream successful folks are still rather racists. But they can't do racist shit without their white friends, even the other racist ones, responding negatively because any kind of overt racism is a faux pas. That's why, when mainstream white people practice racism, they turn to crypto-racism -- they dress up their racist emotional response in some other issue intellectually.

And crypto-racism is actually still pretty socially acceptable right now. As long as you don't outright say "I hate brown people," you can campaign pretty vociferously against brown people and nobody will call you out for being a racist jerk.

-- Alex

Let's pretend for a moment that you understood that my saying "Gunned down" meant exactly what you suggested your second paragraph. I did not literally mean that every single member of the event would be shot multiple times until every person present lay dead or dying.

Every single argument you gave to me lay around the concept of "Extremists." Why?
I'm going to go ahead and assume that it was simply because you took the literal route of deciphering my comment.

Thanks, but I think you misinterpreted.
All of which would be my fault, I was simply trying to convey the response we would receive with a phrase that correctly represented how society would feel at such things.

Quite clearly I wasn't attempting to conjure images of white folk comitting acts of racism.
I was trying to get the idea across that if the white majority were to celebrate their culture, they would receive nothing but cold shoulders.

But I don't see how it is that you managed to pull out the idea that I was talking about white men doing "racist shit".

 

[Alex_P]

Let's pretend for a moment that you understood that my saying "Gunned down" meant exactly what you suggested your second paragraph. I did not literally mean that every single member of the event would be shot multiple times until every person present lay dead or dying.

Maybe you should say what you mean.

Quite clearly I wasn't attempting to conjure images of white folk comitting acts of racism.
I was trying to get the idea across that if the white majority were to celebrate their culture, they would receive nothing but cold shoulders.

I covered this thoroughly -- mainstream whites don't like the idea that their culture is a white culture, because that's something that conflicts with their belief that their cultural values transcend race. In their mind, only poor unsuccessful white people have a specifically "white" culture. That's the main reason you don't have overt "white pride" parades that don't feature poor people in bedsheets.

Want to see a people celebrating white culture? Go visit one of those weekend parties that Harley Davidson dealerships throw. Go to a deather protest. Attend a high-end liberal arts college. Play Second Life. All of these will give you an absolute festival of white culture. People just don't call it that because they don't want to assert that "whiteness" is an inherent attribute of their culture.

-- Alex

 

[letsnoobtehpwns]

You know what I really hate? People who voted for Obama ONLY because he's black. I know a lot of people who only like Obama because he is black. Many people say that Obama being president is a step in the right direction (when I say "step in the right direction", I mean going from enslaving blacks, to having them be our president, not a step forward to ending the war or fixing the economy) but, isn't that really a step back? Racism is treating someone different because of the color of their skin. This includes acting positively around someone ONLY because of their color (I said ONLY for a reason). So, yes, white people can be racist to other white people (a good example is what many refer to as "wiggers" or Kevin "K-Fed" Federline!).

 

[Victory7]

Well considering whites were racist and done horrible things towards:

Native Americans
Blacks
Asians
Latinos
Middle easterners
Hindus
Jews
and even their own women. (You know not having any civil rights and all)

I can see why being ignorant towards them is acceptable.

Edit: Ok this came out wrong. Lets just say that this was all in the past, I mean no offence, and that all forms of racism is wrong.

Every race, every culture, every civilization has commited genocide, made second-class citizens of other races, institued slavery, or has at least been xenophobic or racist to other races. The only reason anyone ever mentions whites or specifically Americans being racist and evil is beacause our indecencies have happened more recently than other cultures. Or at least we're more well-informed of our own than others. It's ignorance and self-serving attitudes that leads elitist pigs to condemn whites and rant about the bad things an entire race has done, while completely ignoring the atrocities of others. Also, don't apologize for your opinion when you talk, it makes you look weak.

 

[Lukirre]

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a) Maybe you should say what you mean.

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b) I covered this thoroughly -- mainstream whites don't like the idea that their culture is a white culture, because that's something that conflicts with their belief that their cultural values transcend race. In their mind, only poor unsuccessful white people have a specifically "white" culture. That's the main reason you don't have overt "white pride" parades that don't feature poor people in bedsheets.

Want to see a people celebrating white culture? Go visit one of those weekend parties that Harley Davidson dealerships throw. Go to a deather protest. Attend a high-end liberal arts college. Play Second Life. All of these will give you an absolute festival of white culture. People just don't call it that because they don't want to assert that "whiteness" is an inherent attribute of their culture.

-- Alex

a) My face has been palmed. Interpretation is key. Don't get sour with me because I pointed out that you came about the wrong idea in regards to something I said. If you redirect your attention to the rest of my post, I apologized for it.

b)I understand what you're saying, and I appreciate that you're capable of getting the idea across with little to no feeling of condescension.

It seems like my arguments are only being defeated because of my poor choice of words.

Allow me to rephrase it then.

When it comes to the point where every culture within North America's myriad is able to claim a portion that belongs specifically to them, it is a shame when one (in this case, the majority) is unable to.

It seems as though they do not choose to claim anything as their own out of fear of being branded racists or people who support discrimination.
It seems somewhat staged to claim that values transcend race.
Though that may just be me speaking through a biased mindset.
Or it may just be the fact that every culture has its own set of values that is consistently theirs, values that other cultures may not share.

Of course, you do keep using the term "mainstream", implying people who are constantly under public scrutiny. So that may also be why.

 

[SsilverR]

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can i just go on record and say .. you're funny

i grew up near peckam and i went to school in lewisham .. you have NO idea how many times i've seen a black dude get arrested and scream out something like "if i was white you think i'd be in these cuffs, you fucking pigs are racist" .. more than i can fucking count .. they do it to teachers too ... and more than once have a few guys tried to justify their crimes by saying it was revenge on the white man

so what the fuck do you know? just because haven't heard or seen it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen

do you REALLY think i'd post a comment like my last on just pure assumption???

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

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can i just go on record and say .. you're funny

i grew up near peckam and i went to school in lewisham .. you have NO idea how many times i've seen a black dude get arrested and scream out something like "if i was white you think i'd be in these cuffs, you fucking pigs are racist" .. more than i can fucking count .. they do it to teachers too ... and more than once have a few guys tried to justify their crimes by saying it was revenge on the white man

so what the fuck do you know? just because haven't heard or seen it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen

do REALLY think i'd post a comment like my last on just pure assumption???

Considering many did? It's very possible.

And what you said before and what you say now doesn't match up. Once again, how many have used slavery as a crutch for their actions?

If they said something regarding slavery, then fine, but if they said "if i was white you think i'd be in these cuffs, you fucking pigs are racist", that has nothing to do with slavery, this is referring to the period when a large chunk of the police force used to hassle and search black people, because it was believed that it was easier to stop crimes before they started when the trend was young black males committing crimes. Which was pretty much racial profiling. So it was racist.

And this is all in response to:

blacks tend to use alot of the past that we were never involved in as an out of jail free card to do and say thing you wouldn't normally get away with

Which is a very broad generalisation, and I can safely say I believe is bullshit. More instances of when you have successfully seen someone do and say things that they wouldn't normally get away with, but have by referring to slavery please. Yes some may kick up a fuss to get away with it, but the vast majority of those don't get away with such things they normally wouldn't.

 

[martin's a madman]

To put such emphasis on Slavery and to blame ALL white people for it is ridiculous. People who I would not have agreed with nor would I have liked did something deemed horrible. Am I supposed to be subjected to some sort of guilt because of that?

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

You know what I really hate? People who voted for Obama ONLY because he's black. I know a lot of people who only like Obama because he is black. Many people say that Obama being president is a step in the right direction (when I say "step in the right direction", I mean going from enslaving blacks, to having them be our president, not a step forward to ending the war or fixing the economy) but, isn't that really a step back? Racism is treating someone different because of the color of their skin. This includes acting positively around someone ONLY because of their color (I said ONLY for a reason). So, yes, white people can be racist to other white people (a good example is what many refer to as "wiggers" or Kevin "K-Fed" Federline!).

I do agree on the Obama part. The only real thing I can say that was a positive is how far you have gotten in terms of him being allowed to be president, but the people voting for him because he is black? Yeah, that kind of annoyed me. Hell people in Britain were harping on about him, and I said "He's not your president, though."

And what'chu talkin' bout Willis? K-Fed is the shizznit.

I think the chalice says it all...

 

[shadowstriker86]

because in the states the populace is complacent, ignorant and just down right stupid at times when it comes to stuff like this, if people are supposed to be treated equally, then act as such

 

[Alex_P]

P.S, I will, ha.

Awesome. I'm all about the fun!

-- Alex

 

[Anomynous 167]

This whole thread is based on the fraudulent premise that it is actually socially acceptable for American non-whites to be racist.

It's not.

If you're a person with any kind of power, racist stuff is just as socially unacceptable as it is for a white person. Look at how much everyone scrutinized every comment made by Obama or Sotomayor for signs of racial bias, for example.

Americans just casually ignore racism when it comes from non-whites they perceive as powerless because, well, they think it doesn't matter because, y'know, they're powerless. Society is all about ignoring the powerless. (Now, individually powerless whites still get a wary eye because they have the numbers to be a dangerous mass movement.)


The word Muslim comes from I think Arabic meaning to submit or "Taslim". And the way I see it, to be submissive makes you on a lower ranking than if you were arrogant(Like me).
BTW, protesting is not a religeon, it's a way of life, how dare you bag all the non catholic christians as protesters.

Protestent isn't a protest. Protestent IS a religion. Even an American would know that!

It's called being ironic.
They are called Protasent because they protest against the Catholic church

 

[crypt-creature]

No, white people just enslaved other white people for a longer period of time, before enslaving a black person ever came into the picture.

but did they enslave them because they were white? no? then they weren't being racist.

there are peoples grandfathers and grandmothers who were segregated and threatened and beaten because they were black you can't just get rid of that by saying, it wasn't us, it wasn't our fault

Well now, did I say 'it wasn't us'? No, I did not. I never said it wasn't 'our' fault either.

My point was, white people enslaved other white people well before they cared about a darker skinned person.
Those other white people were either poor/uneducated, other tribes or cities that were taken over or absorbed, women, or sold as slaves because that is the life they were born into within their culture. Even if they had the same skin color, it didn't matter. All those things are under the term 'racist' or 'racism'.
Also, african tribes sold prisoners of war to white men for goods, and sold prisoners of war to other african tribes as bribery or deals and even people within their own tribe. So, it wasn't just the white man at fault for being able to get slaves in the first place.
The only people to blame, is the entirety of humanity since it has been going on since humanity first began. A different color made it easier to justify 'owning' them, since they were even more 'different'. White people had the same treatment in slavery as blacks did, only for a different reason, which is still defined as being 'racist'.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

This whole thread is based on the fraudulent premise that it is actually socially acceptable for American non-whites to be racist.

It's not.

If you're a person with any kind of power, racist stuff is just as socially unacceptable as it is for a white person. Look at how much everyone scrutinized every comment made by Obama or Sotomayor for signs of racial bias, for example.

Americans just casually ignore racism when it comes from non-whites they perceive as powerless because, well, they think it doesn't matter because, y'know, they're powerless. Society is all about ignoring the powerless. (Now, individually powerless whites still get a wary eye because they have the numbers to be a dangerous mass movement.)

-- Alex

Guys, it's page 4 and Alex has ended the thread. Why then has this gone to page eight and the argument is still going?

Alex, if you will do the honours of locking a thread?

Because people disagree with that post as well, see Stinkychops. I still think Alex was right, and I've been waiting for the lock, but it doesn't seem to be happening. So feck it, I'm just gonna ride it out till the 404.

 

[Shadowfaze]

how wierd that we are the racists when they have:
Black schools.
Black Colleges.
Etc, etc.

But if we had ALL WHITE SCHOOLS then we would be the racists... double standards...pot kettle black...