Racist tram woman watches video evidence; denies everything

[MammothBlade]

The double standards in this country are sickening. If a violent racist Muslim gang can get off with a slap on the wrist because they "weren't used to being drunk", Emma West should be let off without charges and be compensated for her treatment.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070562/Muslim-girl-gang-kicked-Rhea-Page-head-yelling-kill-white-slag-FREED.html

(Don't bother complaining about the daily mail, the story is legit)

"Hey, other people got away with something because of a stupid judge! Even though she broke the law, lets just let this woman of the hook too!"

I love your reasoning. I really do.

We have this thing called common law, the decision of one "idiot judge" sets a precedent for other cases. Let immigrants off lightly in case of causing offence, punish indigenous peoples harshly for the same crimes. It's not on, the law should be fair and consistent across the board.

 

[Electric Alpaca]

Whilst the delivery and content is a lot to be desired, the core points are something that a lot of Brits will agree with.

Whereas I'm not in any false delusions of superiority and I would never dream of judging solely on their history; you can't argue when the individual in question is displayed just as a statistic - and that statistic is ripping the country apart from the inside.

That said - it isn't exactly like "true" Brits are all about helping their country...

 

[TheHorribleSmell]

What exactly is she supposed to be denying?

 

[Daystar Clarion]

The double standards in this country are sickening. If a violent racist Muslim gang can get off with a slap on the wrist because they "weren't used to being drunk", Emma West should be let off without charges and be compensated for her treatment.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070562/Muslim-girl-gang-kicked-Rhea-Page-head-yelling-kill-white-slag-FREED.html

(Don't bother complaining about the daily mail, the story is legit)

"Hey, other people got away with something because of a stupid judge! Even though she broke the law, lets just let this woman of the hook too!"

I love your reasoning. I really do.

The judge was just following a policy set out in law. Let immigrants off lightly in case of causing offence, punish indigenous peoples harshly. We have this thing called common law, the decision of one "idiot judge" sets a precedent for other cases.

Why is that when a British person uses the term 'indigenous', I want to throw a baby down a flight of stairs.

Cases like this happen all the time (I should know, I have a bloody law & criminology degree).

The Daily Mail likes to blow things way out of proportion, especially when it comes to something like this.

We don't know all the facts of the case, so until we do, we can not form a complete opinion.

 

[baconsarnie]

Not sure about 'denies'
Reading this on bbc (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16051120)

"An administrative error earlier led to Ms West entering a not guilty plea.
The court file was later amended to show she has not yet pleaded."

I get that some people are unbelievably stupid but there is no denying what happened.

 

[Beat14]

I see people who complain like that as using others as scapegoats to their own failure, it sickens me. I hope I leave this country one day, not that I expect to escape this sort of thing.

 

[Wintermoot]

she could have accepted the guilty plea respectfully but noooo....

She was saying out loud what we as unemployed British adults have been thinking in a long time.

No, I'm not trying to justify what she did because it was bang out of order, but mass unemployment due to asylum seeking is a real issue in the UK at the moment. There's literally no surprise that this has happened at all.

but she could atleast watched her language and used different wording.

 

[TheMagicLemur]

She was saying out loud what we as unemployed British adults have been thinking in a long time.

No, I'm not trying to justify what she did because it was bang out of order, but mass unemployment due to asylum seeking is a real issue in the UK at the moment. There's literally no surprise that this has happened at all.

Feh. Unemployment is a global issue because there are just too goddamned many human beings on earth. Trying to pin it on people seeking asylum is little better than fat rednecks screaming that the Mexicans took their jobs.

My point is, blaming -other- people just trying to get by is bull. Blame rich corporate fuckers hoarding more money than they will ever need, or blame pretty much everyone opposed to birth control.

 

[NotSoLoneWanderer]

I hope her defense starts with "You see your honor, that was all taken out of context"

 

[Jazoni89]

She was saying out loud what we as unemployed British adults have been thinking in a long time.

No, I'm not trying to justify what she did because it was bang out of order, but mass unemployment due to asylum seeking is a real issue in the UK at the moment. There's literally no surprise that this has happened at all.

Feh. Unemployment is a global issue because there are just too goddamned many human beings on earth. Trying to pin it on people seeking asylum is little better than fat rednecks screaming that the Mexicans took their jobs.

My point is, blaming -other- people just trying to get by is bull. Blame rich corporate fuckers hoarding more money than they will ever need, or blame pretty much everyone opposed to birth control.

I could tell from not looking at your profile that you are not British.

The thing is Britain is too small of a country, and our immigration laws are very loose, so the fresh faced immagrants get support, and a lot of welfare from our government. While all of us working class are having a hard time to keep afloat, so everyone is feeling the pinch at moment, except for the insanely rich, and of course the immigrants.

It's not just work opportunities (as immigrants are cheap labour), it's everything, and to make matters worst these modern day immigrants (Polish, Pakistani whatever) don't respect our culture, and the way we do things over here, and we are suppose to respect their culture when we go to their country...pah. They walk the streets in public in the UK wearing Burkas like it's the middle of Delhi or something, it's not on at all.

The money is all they care about, respecting everyone else, and hell even speaking basic english comes second to them.

 

[Danny Ocean]

My point is, blaming -other- people just trying to get by is bull. Blame rich corporate fuckers hoarding more money than they will ever need, or blame pretty much everyone opposed to birth control.

Well, he has a bit of a point. An increase in the labour supply, without a growth in jobs, can end only two ways: with increased unemployment, or with lower wages.

The 'without a growth in jobs' thing is a big presumption. The UK didn't have many immigrants until the 90's, really, which was coincidentally a period of steadily declining unemployment:

(Compare the curve on the left to the last four bars on the right. Timescales are not the same.)

In fact, unemployment peaked during the decade where we had a lot more leaving than entering; the 80's.

The only reason all the racist people are emerging out of the woodwork now is because the number of jobs is going down, and anecdotally immigrants are more likely to take pay cuts than non-immigrants. I don't know if the data actually supports this assumption or not, and we probably wont until the census spits out its results.

 

[ShindoL Shill]

she pleaded 'not guilty'?
is mental retardation a legitimate defense now?

 

[Commissar Sae]

She was saying out loud what we as unemployed British adults have been thinking in a long time.

No, I'm not trying to justify what she did because it was bang out of order, but mass unemployment due to asylum seeking is a real issue in the UK at the moment. There's literally no surprise that this has happened at all.

Feh. Unemployment is a global issue because there are just too goddamned many human beings on earth. Trying to pin it on people seeking asylum is little better than fat rednecks screaming that the Mexicans took their jobs.

My point is, blaming -other- people just trying to get by is bull. Blame rich corporate fuckers hoarding more money than they will ever need, or blame pretty much everyone opposed to birth control.

I could tell from not looking at your profile that you are not British.

The thing is Britain is too small of a country, and our immigration laws are very loose, so the fresh faced immagrants get support, and a lot of welfare from our government. While all of us working class are having a hard time to keep afloat, so everyone is feeling the pinch at moment, except for the insanely rich, and of course the immigrants.

It's not just work opportunities (as immigrants are cheap labour), it's everything, and to make matters worst these modern day immigrants (Polish, Pakistani whatever) don't respect our culture, and the way we do things over here, and we are suppose to respect their culture when we go to their country...pah. They walk the streets in public in the UK wearing Burkas like it's the middle of Delhi or something, it's not on at all.

First off this is an issue every western country is currently facing, and your knowledge of geopolitics (or lack thereof) disturbs me. It's become really easy for everyone to blame the immigrants for every problem the west is currently facing but the issue lies more with the economic downturn than anything recent immigrants are doing. Sure you'll have a few obstinate migrants from every group that refuse to integrate, but that dies off after one or two generations at most.

Immigrant groups have just become an easy scapegoat for us to blame our problems on rather than taking a real look at our failing economic and social models and trying to find better alternatives. Immigrant laborers are cheap and getting jobs because they are willing to work from the bottom up rather than have everything served to them on a plate.

And saying 'you don't understand because you're not British' is kind of an easy cop-out. We have the exact same issues coming up in Canada right now so I know where you are coming from.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

she pleaded 'not guilty'?
is mental retardation a legitimate defense now?

I believe that falls under the pervue of diminished responsibility.

Nice to see my university education is paying for itself...

 

[Something Amyss]

(Don't bother complaining about the daily mail, the story is legit)

And slanted, but I'm sure letting honesty get in the way of a rant about double standards would be inconvenient.

 

[Dascylus]

Here's my background...
Englishman, moved to Sweden, been living here 10 years, I learnt and speak swedeish reasonably fluently, most swedes will perfectly accept that I am english speaking and place little need on me speaking swedish, I learnt and speak it anyway... Background over.

And now the tirade...

It's difficult moving to another country. Most people are level headed but a sad portion of the population happily feeds from tabloid scaremongering about immigrants. They will treat you as if you don't understand the system and explain understandable mistakes as if they are explaining to children.

It took me 2.5 years to get close to understanding spoken swedish. During that time it was difficult to get a job and participate in social activities outside my existing friends. Regardless of the type of job I have found that it is understanding of the language and willingness to do the work that will get the job. The fact that someone who can't make it through a verbal interview would be given a job over someone who can understand the language and is willing to clean offices for minimum wage seems strange.

I have noticed that the immigrants who have the easiest time integrating are those that have a social circle NOT comprising of solely their fellow countrymen. I've known other englishmen who have lived here much longer than I whose swedish is much worse because their social circle is comprised of fellow englishmen and english speaker who they met on the swedish course.
I have an accent when I speak and often poor grammar... Took me 6 years to reach the level I am at now but the bare basic communication was at the 2.5 point.

These ladies who sit on trains and trams screaming out these obscenities have no excuse and are clearly idiots. Anyone who thinks they have close to a point are also retarded.
I would smack that ***** so hard her tits would spin. I'd smack any bloke the same... I shoved an elderly lady through the doors of a tram (In a manner indicating she should get off and wait for the next one) when she called me a "Jävla invandare" during her similar tirade and was applauded quietly by my fellow passengers.

We as a society have let this ignorance grow and I think it is time we as a society show that this is no longer allowed.
It's the 21st century, we have access to information from around the world on our morning commute. I can talk in real time at no extra cost to my friends around the world from 4 different devices in my home and none of them are my actual housephone.
I can access libraries of information.

We have no excuse to be ignorant anymore.
This woman can plead Not Guilty as much as she likes but thanks to modern technology there are over 80,000 people who know how vile and disgusting she is.

 

[Jazoni89]

She was saying out loud what we as unemployed British adults have been thinking in a long time.

No, I'm not trying to justify what she did because it was bang out of order, but mass unemployment due to asylum seeking is a real issue in the UK at the moment. There's literally no surprise that this has happened at all.

Feh. Unemployment is a global issue because there are just too goddamned many human beings on earth. Trying to pin it on people seeking asylum is little better than fat rednecks screaming that the Mexicans took their jobs.

My point is, blaming -other- people just trying to get by is bull. Blame rich corporate fuckers hoarding more money than they will ever need, or blame pretty much everyone opposed to birth control.

I could tell from not looking at your profile that you are not British.

The thing is Britain is too small of a country, and our immigration laws are very loose, so the fresh faced immagrants get support, and a lot of welfare from our government. While all of us working class are having a hard time to keep afloat, so everyone is feeling the pinch at moment, except for the insanely rich, and of course the immigrants.

It's not just work opportunities (as immigrants are cheap labour), it's everything, and to make matters worst these modern day immigrants (Polish, Pakistani whatever) don't respect our culture, and the way we do things over here, and we are suppose to respect their culture when we go to their country...pah. They walk the streets in public in the UK wearing Burkas like it's the middle of Delhi or something, it's not on at all.

First off this is an issue every western country is currently facing, and your knowledge of geopolitics (or lack thereof) disturbs me. It's become really easy for everyone to blame the immigrants for every problem the west is currently facing but the issue lies more with the economic downturn than anything recent immigrants are doing. Sure you'll have a few obstinate migrants from every group that refuse to integrate, but that dies off after one or two generations at most.

Immigrant groups have just become an easy scapegoat for us to blame our problems on rather than taking a real look at our failing economic and social models and trying to find better alternatives. Immigrant laborers are cheap and getting jobs because they are willing to work from the bottom up rather than have everything served to them on a plate.

And saying 'you don't understand because you're not British' is kind of an easy cop-out. We have the exact same issues coming up in Canada right now so I know where you are coming from.

Scapegoat or not, loose immigration laws are a huge issue with regards to the UK, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that shares this view.

I've never been huge on political struggles (not my thing), but the enticement we give to immigrants in this country is huge, and it has tempted a new wave of immigrants to settle down here in the UK, and with the recent slump in unemployment, well you don't need to rub two penny's together to know that immigration is involved somehow.

 

[Hoplon]

She was saying out loud what we as unemployed British adults have been thinking in a long time.

No, I'm not trying to justify what she did because it was bang out of order, but mass unemployment due to asylum seeking is a real issue in the UK at the moment. There's literally no surprise that this has happened at all.

No it's not. so yes you are justifying it you horrible racist.

 

[Treblaine]

http://voice-online.co.uk/article/tram-woman-denies-race-rant

Basically, she burst into tears publicly when the court was shown the video and pleaded not guilty. Personally, a fully grown person trying to use tears to garner sympathy is absolutely pathetic. There was no call for her outburst and she's got no business raising a child with that outlook. Incidentally, in the picture, they blurred his face. Little late for that, isn't it?

Not Guilty doesn't mean "It didn't happen"

Not Guilty means... Not Guilty.

It may be that what she did what not actually a crime, even The Guardian (uber liberal newspaper) have come down hard on this issue saying it is going too far for her to face criminal charges. Racism is unpleasant... but what the state is doing here is worse.

"a fully grown person trying to use tears to garner sympathy"

That's pretty fucking cynical of you to assume she is good enough of an actor to FAKE CRYING HER EYES OUT!! Or are you SO CALLOUS to assume women's genuine tears of anguish are nothing but to earn undeserved sympathy?!?? WHAT IF SHE GENUINELY IS IN ANGUISH?

This tram-experience was just an outburst, not a pattern of behaviour. You CANNOT judge her ability to raise a child based on one outburst when you don't know the context, like how much stress she was under or what had personally happened to her. And I can tell you right now the foster-care system in the UK is in an absolute mess and at overload, not only will she have her children taken away but they will get a far worse upbringing dotting from orphanage.

You want to make her kids orphans?!!?

I take it you are not a parent as you'd never consider stealing someone's children away to be a just punishment. Not for this.

She didn't even use any racial slurs nor denigrate any race, it was just an incontinent outburst DARING to insinuate that there MIGHT be too many immigrants in the UK. Respected politicians (Tory and Labour) have said the same thing in much calmer tone in daylight television without facing condemnation and especially not criminal charges.

 

[Jazoni89]

She was saying out loud what we as unemployed British adults have been thinking in a long time.

No, I'm not trying to justify what she did because it was bang out of order, but mass unemployment due to asylum seeking is a real issue in the UK at the moment. There's literally no surprise that this has happened at all.

No it's not. so yes you are justifying it you horrible racist.

Justifying it, and trying to find a motive behind it, is two different things entirely.

Maybe I'm just trying to make sense of something that's not there, but there are a few reasons why a person would cause a racial row like this.

Also, Please don't call me a racist, I'm a very nice guy, and I mean well (even when it seems like it's not the case), and I for one welcome mixed races in the UK, perhaps more so than most people do, but it's frustrating to me how much better off most of these immigrants are.