Rammstein's new video - exploitative porn or clever subversion?
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Well, the song was certainly not their greatest. But I gotta give them an A for effort and the conveyed ideas behind it.
Rammstein has made it their thing of pushing into being as tasteless as possible. But the artistic idea behind it is rarely to be purely exploitative, but more as a form of social satire and social commentary.
This is clearly a pun on modern sexual ideals and frustrations along with some of the world's hypocrisy about the topic, presented in the most gutsy manner possible. Still while the song lacked somewhat, the message behind it was spot on and went along well with the video. But not very shocking, and I think that's also a point to Rammtein's jokes. The fact that many people won't be very shocked at all.
Rammstein has made it their thing of pushing into being as tasteless as possible. But the artistic idea behind it is rarely to be purely exploitative, but more as a form of social satire and social commentary.
This is clearly a pun on modern sexual ideals and frustrations along with some of the world's hypocrisy about the topic, presented in the most gutsy manner possible. Still while the song lacked somewhat, the message behind it was spot on and went along well with the video. But not very shocking, and I think that's also a point to Rammtein's jokes. The fact that many people won't be very shocked at all.
I thought the song was decent and the video was interesting considering that it's from mainstream band, a lot of underground band have had hardcore porn in their videos. I mean even if you don't like the video or the band, it's a pretty bold statement to make a video like this.
The song itself seems to be about the legality of prostitution in Germany and pokes some fun at the mentality of sex buyers. Of course because most people don't speak German and live with bands who make videos which have nothing to do with the actual song, sure I can see how it would be misinterpreted.
The song itself seems to be about the legality of prostitution in Germany and pokes some fun at the mentality of sex buyers. Of course because most people don't speak German and live with bands who make videos which have nothing to do with the actual song, sure I can see how it would be misinterpreted.
actually it has a lot of merit and does exactly what music is supposed to do, it's very well entrenched in the culture of both punk and metal and questioning society as a whole8-Bit_Jack said:
it's not really porn tho, it's art pure and simple and frankly you as a radio person should actually recognize AND promote the freedom of expression they are showing in the song and the videoBaby Tea said:
Just saw the video, didn't surprise me that much. Though, I have to say it must suck to be the kids of one of those guys.
actually it IS art and essence of what art is. if you don't believe me go look up a man by the name of Robert Mapplethorpe and all of his work and then you'll see that the video itself is artBaby Tea said:
The song "Pussy" was not great, deffinatly not worth being a single. However, the playful nature of the song works well with the scenes from porn movies. The corous lines are somthing in line with; "I have a dick, you have a pussy, So lets do it quick." That is right on par with the whole gonzo style the porn industry uses exclusively these days. Rammstein seems to be making the point that everyone in these videos don't have alot of sexual preferences or hold ups, why should real women? If you look at porn, everyone is fucking, so why the fuck can't they get laid too? Maybe it's all the uppity German women. At least they show off their tits at concerts, American women should learn from this.
then you have no clue what art really isBaby Tea said:
i'm guessing you don't think the Statue of David, Venus Di Milo and many Renaissance paintings and statues, as well as many Roman and Greek Potteries as art either since they have sexual imagery in them as well
like i said go do some research on Robert Mapplethorpe and his photography AND the court cases over his works, which i might add the courts all agreed they were art
cleverlymadeup said:
I'll point out quickly that the courts decide law, not what is and isn' art. I don't care what the court says.Chipperz said:
Chipperz is right, of course, that it has nothing to do with nudity.
He's wrong, however, that I don't think it's art because I don't like it.
He's right that I don't like it, though.
I'd hardly call six consecutive number one albums and 10 million record sales unpopular.8-Bit_Jack said:
hmm, maybe she meant unpopular in her area of germany. *shrugs* i dont really care. i dont like the group, i dont like this song, and i dont think the video is any good.miracleofsound said:
clearly you guys do. So im going to go hae some wild and crazy sex with my female friend. later fellas
I think what a lot of people don't realise is that with Rammstein there is AWAYA another meaning to the song.Thornmas said:
They have always used over the top methods to express themselves, the band has always been part performance art, part meral band.
My take on this song and video is that it is a rip on the American/Western view of germans and thier apparent obsession with cheesy porn.
The 'Germany' flag section os typical of them in that it provokes thought of ultra nationalism and right wing beliefs in order to express a left wing view.
Just like in the song 'Links'.
actually you are wrong about what the courts do, they had to decide if what Mr Mapplethorpe did WAS art or if it was porn. the same thing happened with Playboy when it first came out.Baby Tea said:
they were all ruled as art
i'd actually like to hear what your definition of art is, especially if this isn't considered art
Playboy as art? Bwahaha! I'll reiterate my statement that 'I don't care what the courts say', especially if they pass 'Playboy' off as 'art'.cleverlymadeup said:
Thats laughable.
It doesn't matter what I consider art. My original post about this being (Or not being) art stated that 'what is art' is a pretty subjective topic. My sister was an art major, and she would go on forever talking about what is and isn't art. She taught 'art' for a while, but hated calling it 'art class' because it wasn't art. You might disagree, I might agree, someone else would have a different opinion.
Quite frankly, I don't care what other people consider this tripe. I don't consider it art, not by a long shot. If you disagree, fine. I'm not going to argue with you. But bringing up examples of the past where other garbage was considered 'art' by the courts isn't going to suddenly sway me. The courts aren't always right (Especially on something so subjective), and I disagree on a lot of things 'the courts' (As vague as that is) say and do.
So there you go. Take it or leave it.
I'm done here.
