Rampant Police Brutality and Media censorship in Ferguson Missouri
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I'm not positive about this, but this is a local police force right? So someone else needs to be there to make sure that the police actually back off. Maybe it would be better if that could be trusted to people without weapons (media), but the homes of everyone including the police's families shouldn't be put at risk while the community riots.Cowabungaa said:
And just letting the community rage it out on their own will just further alienate the police from the people they should be protecting for abandoning them to anyone taking advantage of the situation to loot.
Why would I do that? I really don't care about your opinion on the subject. Or, at least, I didn't until you felt the need to throw it at me because I dared mention Gaza and you couldn't help yourself but to rage about it. I'm terribly sorry it bothers you to hear how the US government sends $3 billion in aid to Israel annually to help them oppress and murder their neighbors, but the rest of us are likely going to keep talking about it. And sometimes that means drawing comparisons when the US decides to skip the middle man and just start murdering oppressed minorities themselves.forgo911 said:
Oh, but they chose to live in one of the most racist parts of the US. So you must have no sympathy for them, either. So why are you even here?
Well I meant just pulling back from that particular neighborhood, the protesting seems to be very localized. At least get the armoured trucks and sniper rifles out of there. The rioting is also quite infrequent, and seems to be mostly caused by the presence of said militarized officers. So have those stand down, as has luckily already been ordered, with the state police taking over.LostCrusader said:
As for making sure the police backs off, I'd hope actually ordering them to do so would suffice. Imagine them not complying, good lord that'd make a shitstorm of a whole 'nother magnitude.
Your posts rapidly boil down to "survival of the fittest", so I assume you think that the police are right because they're just looking out for their own interests? I mean, those pesky laws just get in the way of people trying to better themselves. Those oppressed people should have bought more guns to deal with the issue, right?forgo911 said:
Which people are we talking about? I was being blatantly sarcastic, facetiously suggesting that police breaking laws to try and prevent media coverage of more laws being broken was just normal self-interest.Vegosiux said:
Why am I not surprised this is happening in one of the southern states.
As disgusting, horrid and tragic as this is. It'll happen again, and again, until these backwards thinking states finally pull their collective heads from their asses. Passing new laws or replacing the cops won't do much in the law run, as they're pulling new Officers from the same pool the old ones came from, and expecting those same people to enforce those laws.
It's cases like this that are WHY the US has no business going into other country's to 'liberate' them. We need to fix our own shit before we even have the gall to start telling other to fix theirs.
As disgusting, horrid and tragic as this is. It'll happen again, and again, until these backwards thinking states finally pull their collective heads from their asses. Passing new laws or replacing the cops won't do much in the law run, as they're pulling new Officers from the same pool the old ones came from, and expecting those same people to enforce those laws.
It's cases like this that are WHY the US has no business going into other country's to 'liberate' them. We need to fix our own shit before we even have the gall to start telling other to fix theirs.
Who wants to play "How many perma-bans will result from this thread?" I'm guessing three.
But really though, this is the kind of thing I'd expect to see in North Korea, not the US. Time to fire the town's entire police force...
But really though, this is the kind of thing I'd expect to see in North Korea, not the US. Time to fire the town's entire police force...
*ahem*Aris Khandr said:
While the person you are arguing with is being, err... a bunch of things that would earn me mod wrath if I were to describe them accurately, he does have a point in that this isn't really the place to bring up Gaza.
If you wish to discuss Gaza or air your thoughts on the matter then you are welcome to create a thread to that end. Hell, such a thread is very likely to already be in progress in the 'Religion and Politics' section.
EDIT: For spelling. "Riligion". I'm a doofus.
Well... Once again, happy not to be living where that is going on.
This is outright horrifying. I thought that place was under martial law from all those military-looking dudes walking around. But no, it's just police... With tanks and military uniforms.
This is outright horrifying. I thought that place was under martial law from all those military-looking dudes walking around. But no, it's just police... With tanks and military uniforms.
Some good news coming from the streets of Ferguson at the moment, now that the state police has taken over from the St. Louis county police:
Apparently the captain is from Ferguson himself.
In any case, this shows how you do handle a community; [http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/14/meet-the-missouri-highway-state-patrol-captain-who-is-taking-over-in-ferguson/] be there with them, be a part of them. A good police officer works with the community. And this man is already doing a far better job at that than St. Louis PD did in the past week or so. This is good progress, very good. For all the Ferguson residents I am happy that the governor made that call.
After about a century of second-wave colonial dicking around in that area it's turned into one big clusterfuck anyway. A clusterfuck that warrants its own threat with its own thoughtful, rational discussion and none of that toddler-level "He started it!" nonsense.
Sheesh guys, let's keep it to Ferguson-related talk here eh?
Apparently the captain is from Ferguson himself.
In any case, this shows how you do handle a community; [http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/14/meet-the-missouri-highway-state-patrol-captain-who-is-taking-over-in-ferguson/] be there with them, be a part of them. A good police officer works with the community. And this man is already doing a far better job at that than St. Louis PD did in the past week or so. This is good progress, very good. For all the Ferguson residents I am happy that the governor made that call.
Can we keep this to a different threat? The situation in Gaza is a lot more complicated and warrants a bit more insightful response than "He started it! They want to kill us all!" which is what both sides our saying.pandorum said:
After about a century of second-wave colonial dicking around in that area it's turned into one big clusterfuck anyway. A clusterfuck that warrants its own threat with its own thoughtful, rational discussion and none of that toddler-level "He started it!" nonsense.
Sheesh guys, let's keep it to Ferguson-related talk here eh?
Ah shit, see this is the kind of thing I would rather not know about. I mean, just personally. I know spreading around news of police brutality is important (but futile, nothing will change).
Okay so, this kind of thing is proof of several things.
1) that people owning firearms doesn't give them any kind of power, firearms vs. those armored, vehicle-equipped, bomb-capable 'police' is like sticks vs a flamethrower...
2) civillians rising up against modern governments are impossible now, back in the day things were on equal footing (or somewhat) because everyone had the same weapons. Now? Good luck. American Government gets corrupt/evil/tyranical? Whos gonna fuckin help us? They would absolutely and utterly destroy us.
3) world is going to shit fast and not getting any better. SCIENCE? Fuck science its giving organized groups like these 'police' more power, not us. What do civillians have, scientifically advancement wise that will help us should we need to defend ourselves? Jack shit.
More and more I find myself not wanting to come to this website. It's just constantly full of negativity. Bad things I don't want to know about. But it piques my curiosity... sigh.
What would I like to see? I'd like to see justice. I want to see Obama roll into that town personally in a big ass tank with a huge army behind him and seize it from those cops.
Won't happen. In fact, I doubt anything will happen at all.
maybe i should have read the entire thread..
Okay so, this kind of thing is proof of several things.
1) that people owning firearms doesn't give them any kind of power, firearms vs. those armored, vehicle-equipped, bomb-capable 'police' is like sticks vs a flamethrower...
2) civillians rising up against modern governments are impossible now, back in the day things were on equal footing (or somewhat) because everyone had the same weapons. Now? Good luck. American Government gets corrupt/evil/tyranical? Whos gonna fuckin help us? They would absolutely and utterly destroy us.
3) world is going to shit fast and not getting any better. SCIENCE? Fuck science its giving organized groups like these 'police' more power, not us. What do civillians have, scientifically advancement wise that will help us should we need to defend ourselves? Jack shit.
More and more I find myself not wanting to come to this website. It's just constantly full of negativity. Bad things I don't want to know about. But it piques my curiosity... sigh.
What would I like to see? I'd like to see justice. I want to see Obama roll into that town personally in a big ass tank with a huge army behind him and seize it from those cops.
Won't happen. In fact, I doubt anything will happen at all.
maybe i should have read the entire thread..
The miracle of internet and subsequent social media outlets that made sure that, despite St. Louis PD trying to hamper the media, plenty of material came out, leading to a relatively quick (a few days) solution. That's pretty damn awesome. Don't underestimate the power of simple phone cameras, I have no doubt that that prevented this from escalating even more.michael87cn said:
But yeah that would've been a good idea, if you look at where we're now. I wish Capt. Johnson all the best.
I thought America had its shit together, do people in power not know what a person is? Do they realise that they cannot treat the non white, and rich like Jews in Nazi Germany? Fucking hell.
I now understand partially why you like guns so much, if the police won't protect you, who will?
I now understand partially why you like guns so much, if the police won't protect you, who will?
I was going to repost that video, but @Ratty beat me to it.
As someone who wants to become a police officer, If I caught myself in the middle of this, I would go AWOL pretty quick. There's a line, and the Ferguson county police have crossed it. It's even stated in the NV video that the loud screeches at the start is a military grade weapon. Call me crazy, but as someone from Canada, we do not use military grade weapons on peaceful protests. I'm amazed at the citizens for taking this and keeping their non-violent stance. I would have gotten violent.
As someone who wants to become a police officer, If I caught myself in the middle of this, I would go AWOL pretty quick. There's a line, and the Ferguson county police have crossed it. It's even stated in the NV video that the loud screeches at the start is a military grade weapon. Call me crazy, but as someone from Canada, we do not use military grade weapons on peaceful protests. I'm amazed at the citizens for taking this and keeping their non-violent stance. I would have gotten violent.
Looking into this, this isn't just a race issue. I've seen messages from people indicating that they have had to flee the city to escape the police department long before this event has happened. Americans have their weapons. Yes. They love their weapons. Yes. But I have yet to actually see them use their weapons when they should have been used. The United States of Beaten Citizens. And that infectious tumor of a culture is inching it's way north across the border...Evil Smurf said: