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Random thought: A worse fate than death would be to be purged of all of your senses, but kept alive for a significant amount of time.

Yay random, morbid thoughts...

If we subtract all senses, can we really call him alive?

yes if purgatory exists

Purgatory is a layer of hell. I don't know when it change to reflect what it is today, but no matter. I mean in a philosophical sense. Can someone think in that state and if memory fade (Like everyone) wouldn't he stop thinking eventually.

I don't think you got my thought. You're still very much alive and you're still very much awake. You can still go back and forth between being asleep and awake and otherwise function exactly like any other human... you just don't have any senses.

Screw philosophy, you're alive as anyone else. It's just a matter of the quality of life at that point.

 

[Tartarga]

Random thought: Has anyone ever tried to mug the Cash Cab?

 

[Akalistos]

Random thought: A worse fate than death would be to be purged of all of your senses, but kept alive for a significant amount of time.

Yay random, morbid thoughts...

If we subtract all senses, can we really call him alive?

Well, you're techinically alive as far as the real world is concerned; it's like when you're in a coma. The only difference is that you're very much alive and awake, but you can't see, you can't hear, you can't speak, you can't smell, and you can't feel.

I imagine a large, black, empty space with a dark figure resembling a person in the middle. You try to move, and sure you move, but you can't feel you moving. You can't see you moving. You can't hear you moving.

You can still do things and interact with the real world, but you won't ever know it. There's nothing around and no way to know of it to you, while to everyone else you're just fumbling about, running into walls or tripping over couches.

First: The sense of feel also include resistance put forth by other objects. Therefore, to deprive someone, he shouldn't be able to move or be in a zero gravity environment.
Second: You never, ever see yourself in third person. That's a movie trope.
Third: I mean philosophically speaking. Memory can fade. There's many Accident/sickness blinded peoples that forgot what most things look like. Some, after only 3 years can't recall colors. The same can be said for the other sense. If he can't sense, can he truly live?

 

[L33tsauce_Marty]

Magnets, how do they work?

 

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Random thought: A worse fate than death would be to be purged of all of your senses, but kept alive for a significant amount of time.

Yay random, morbid thoughts...

If we subtract all senses, can we really call him alive?

Well, you're techinically alive as far as the real world is concerned; it's like when you're in a coma. The only difference is that you're very much alive and awake, but you can't see, you can't hear, you can't speak, you can't smell, and you can't feel.

Speech isn't a sense >_>...And if someone was only suddenly stripped of their senses, it's not like they were deaf all their life and wouldn't know speech, they'd still be able to talk.

Perhaps not, but I wanted to lump everything into a single category and just went with 'senses.' So yeah, no speaking either.

 

[Akalistos]

What makes wind so windy? Seriously, there's nothing that "pushes" air in a direction...

Yes there is, go check Wikipedia NOW. NOAW GOOAMMIT NOAWW!!!

 

[Akalistos]

Random thought: A worse fate than death would be to be purged of all of your senses, but kept alive for a significant amount of time.

Yay random, morbid thoughts...

If we subtract all senses, can we really call him alive?

Well, you're techinically alive as far as the real world is concerned; it's like when you're in a coma. The only difference is that you're very much alive and awake, but you can't see, you can't hear, you can't speak, you can't smell, and you can't feel.

Speech isn't a sense >_>...And if someone was only suddenly stripped of their senses, it's not like they were deaf all their life and wouldn't know speech, they'd still be able to talk, they just might yell a lot.
Also, you wouldn't be able to taste anything, and that would suck.

You are right, Speech isn't a sense. But you need your sense to speak. That's the funny part.

 

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Random thought: A worse fate than death would be to be purged of all of your senses, but kept alive for a significant amount of time.

Yay random, morbid thoughts...

If we subtract all senses, can we really call him alive?

Well, you're techinically alive as far as the real world is concerned; it's like when you're in a coma. The only difference is that you're very much alive and awake, but you can't see, you can't hear, you can't speak, you can't smell, and you can't feel.

I imagine a large, black, empty space with a dark figure resembling a person in the middle. You try to move, and sure you move, but you can't feel you moving. You can't see you moving. You can't hear you moving.

You can still do things and interact with the real world, but you won't ever know it. There's nothing around and no way to know of it to you, while to everyone else you're just fumbling about, running into walls or tripping over couches.

First: The sense of feel also include resistance put forth by other objects. Therefore, to deprive someone, he shouldn't be able to move or be in a zero gravity environment.
Second: You never, ever see yourself in third person. That's a movie trope.
Third: I mean philosophically speaking. Memory can fade. There's many Accident/sickness blinded peoples that forgot what most things look like. Some, after only 3 years can't recall colors. The same can be said for the other sense. If he can't sense, can he truly live?

No, zero gravity is not required. I'm just saying you wouldn't be able to feel anything; not touching a counter top, not moving your leg, not getting hit by a car. It doesn't have to stand up to any actual real-world logic as it's all hypothetical in the end.

I was just using my own thought process. Of course you don't see yourself, but it's more of something 'from the mind's eye' or the like. You can't tell me you don't see yourself in your mind, after all.

And you're still alive, and so by that technicality you are alive. You'll just start to wither away after a while.

 

[arsenicCatnip]

random thought: The ship I'm working on with a friend is so much cuter than the canon ship.

random thought 2: I should be cleaning my room. Or at least putting my piercing back in.

 

[Firoth]

Random thought: A worse fate than death would be to be purged of all of your senses, but kept alive for a significant amount of time.

Yay random, morbid thoughts...

If we subtract all senses, can we really call him alive?

Well, you're techinically alive as far as the real world is concerned; it's like when you're in a coma. The only difference is that you're very much alive and awake, but you can't see, you can't hear, you can't speak, you can't smell, and you can't feel.

Speech isn't a sense >_>...And if someone was only suddenly stripped of their senses, it's not like they were deaf all their life and wouldn't know speech, they'd still be able to talk, they just might yell a lot.
Also, you wouldn't be able to taste anything, and that would suck.

You are right, Speech isn't a sense. But you need your sense to speak. That's the funny part.

I was only referring to the 5 senses (sight, sound, touch, taste, smell). The OP clarified her point to me though.

 

[Akalistos]

Random thought: A worse fate than death would be to be purged of all of your senses, but kept alive for a significant amount of time.

Yay random, morbid thoughts...

If we subtract all senses, can we really call him alive?

Well, you're techinically alive as far as the real world is concerned; it's like when you're in a coma. The only difference is that you're very much alive and awake, but you can't see, you can't hear, you can't speak, you can't smell, and you can't feel.

I imagine a large, black, empty space with a dark figure resembling a person in the middle. You try to move, and sure you move, but you can't feel you moving. You can't see you moving. You can't hear you moving.

You can still do things and interact with the real world, but you won't ever know it. There's nothing around and no way to know of it to you, while to everyone else you're just fumbling about, running into walls or tripping over couches.

First: The sense of feel also include resistance put forth by other objects. Therefore, to deprive someone, he shouldn't be able to move or be in a zero gravity environment.
Second: You never, ever see yourself in third person. That's a movie trope.
Third: I mean philosophically speaking. Memory can fade. There's many Accident/sickness blinded peoples that forgot what most things look like. Some, after only 3 years can't recall colors. The same can be said for the other sense. If he can't sense, can he truly live?

No, zero gravity is not required. I'm just saying you wouldn't be able to feel anything; not touching a counter top, not moving your leg, not getting hit by a car. It doesn't have to stand up to any actual real-world logic as it's all hypothetical in the end.

I was just using my own thought process. Of course you don't see yourself, but it's more of something 'from the mind's eye' or the like. You can't tell me you don't see yourself in your mind, after all.

And you're still alive, and so by that technicality you are alive. You'll just start to wither away after a while.

But Trees are alive... not with the sound of music, mind you but because they are a amalgam of living tissue. It shouldn't surprise you that we still make paper out of those. Why? Because we don't really consider them alive. So, can we really call a senseless human being alive?

 

[Akalistos]

Random thought: A worse fate than death would be to be purged of all of your senses, but kept alive for a significant amount of time.

Yay random, morbid thoughts...

If we subtract all senses, can we really call him alive?

Well, you're techinically alive as far as the real world is concerned; it's like when you're in a coma. The only difference is that you're very much alive and awake, but you can't see, you can't hear, you can't speak, you can't smell, and you can't feel.

Speech isn't a sense >_>...And if someone was only suddenly stripped of their senses, it's not like they were deaf all their life and wouldn't know speech, they'd still be able to talk, they just might yell a lot.
Also, you wouldn't be able to taste anything, and that would suck.

You are right, Speech isn't a sense. But you need your sense to speak. That's the funny part.

I was only referring to the 5 senses (sight, sound, touch, taste, smell). The OP clarified her point to me though.

Than, would you like to answer the question? Can you call a senseless human Alive?

 

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But Trees are alive... not with the sound of music, mind you but because they are a amalgam of living tissue. It shouldn't surprise you that we still make paper out of those. Why? Because we don't really consider them alive. So, can we really call a senseless human being alive?

But cows are alive. They go moo and they eat grass. It shouldn't surprise you that we still make hamburgers out of those. Why? Because it doesn't matter what it is, we use living things as a resource to keep us alive in the manner we've become accustomed to.

Living is living, regardless of what one does.

 

[Akalistos]

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But Trees are alive... not with the sound of music, mind you but because they are a amalgam of living tissue. It shouldn't surprise you that we still make paper out of those. Why? Because we don't really consider them alive. So, can we really call a senseless human being alive?

But cows are alive. They go moo and they eat grass. It shouldn't surprise you that we still make hamburgers out of those. Why? Because it doesn't matter what it is, we use living things as a resource to keep us alive in the manner we've become accustomed to.

Living is living, regardless of what one does.

Not really, There's a major difference here. One isn't needed for survival. I can understand killing cow for food (since I'm a avid Steak lover) But food, in this case meat, is important to our survival. Paper isn't. Here's another thing to throw in the equation, what purpose will that serve to keep him alive?

 

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But Trees are alive... not with the sound of music, mind you but because they are a amalgam of living tissue. It shouldn't surprise you that we still make paper out of those. Why? Because we don't really consider them alive. So, can we really call a senseless human being alive?

But cows are alive. They go moo and they eat grass. It shouldn't surprise you that we still make hamburgers out of those. Why? Because it doesn't matter what it is, we use living things as a resource to keep us alive in the manner we've become accustomed to.

Living is living, regardless of what one does.

Not really, There's a major difference here. One isn't needed for survival. I can understand killing cow for food (since I'm a avid Steak lover) But food, in this case meat, is important to our survival. Paper isn't. Here's another thing to throw in the equation, what purpose will that serve to keep him alive?

Replace paper with plain wood. Vuala! You have shelter! You need shelter to live. Don't like that answer? Replace tree with any plant you can eat. Bam! Food for eating! It doesn't matter what it is, we kill living things to use as resources and keep us alive in the manner of which we've become accustomed to.

What purpose will it serve to keep someone who is in a coma alive?

 

[SimuLord]

Random thought: The best way to maintain your humility is to surround yourself with brilliant, wonderful, well-rounded people who constantly remind you of just how hollow your ego sounds.

To do so is to strip the self down to legitimate causes for self-esteem; the sorts of things that even people who see through your bullshit will still praise you for.

 

[Firoth]

Random thought: A worse fate than death would be to be purged of all of your senses, but kept alive for a significant amount of time.

Yay random, morbid thoughts...

If we subtract all senses, can we really call him alive?

Well, you're techinically alive as far as the real world is concerned; it's like when you're in a coma. The only difference is that you're very much alive and awake, but you can't see, you can't hear, you can't speak, you can't smell, and you can't feel.

Speech isn't a sense >_>...And if someone was only suddenly stripped of their senses, it's not like they were deaf all their life and wouldn't know speech, they'd still be able to talk, they just might yell a lot.
Also, you wouldn't be able to taste anything, and that would suck.

You are right, Speech isn't a sense. But you need your sense to speak. That's the funny part.

I was only referring to the 5 senses (sight, sound, touch, taste, smell). The OP clarified her point to me though.

Than, would you like to answer the question? Can you call a senseless human Alive?

Well, if it were only the 5 senses, I would say definitely yes. But, if we're talking a truly senseless mind...since we can't really know what it's like to be in such a state (and we can't exactly ask someone who is, what it's like) I'd probably have to equate it to what it must feel like just before death. And, until we can fix such a state, why not push them that last little bit? But, I might be a little biased, since that's what I would prefer in that situation.
Just a coma on the other hand, give me a few months to try to bring myself out of it. If i can't do it by then, it's probably not gonna happen.
Then there's a "vegetative state," screw that, just take me out and make it quick. I don't want someone changing diapers on me at this point in my life.

 

[Akalistos]

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But Trees are alive... not with the sound of music, mind you but because they are a amalgam of living tissue. It shouldn't surprise you that we still make paper out of those. Why? Because we don't really consider them alive. So, can we really call a senseless human being alive?

But cows are alive. They go moo and they eat grass. It shouldn't surprise you that we still make hamburgers out of those. Why? Because it doesn't matter what it is, we use living things as a resource to keep us alive in the manner we've become accustomed to.

Living is living, regardless of what one does.

Not really, There's a major difference here. One isn't needed for survival. I can understand killing cow for food (since I'm a avid Steak lover) But food, in this case meat, is important to our survival. Paper isn't. Here's another thing to throw in the equation, what purpose will that serve to keep him alive?

Replace paper with plain wood. Vuala! You have shelter! You need shelter to live. Don't like that answer? Replace tree with any plant you can eat. Bam! Food for eating! It doesn't matter what it is, we kill living things to use as resources and keep us alive in the manner of which we've become accustomed to.

What purpose will it serve to keep someone who is in a coma alive?

A Tree can be use in many way. But you doesn't need to kill it to make shelter. Plant are a source of food, but it fall on the same category as the cow.

And yes, There's hope that a comatose can wake up, stretch his leg, pick up a newspaper and say: "GREAT SCOTT! That one hell of a nap!"

 

[Akalistos]

Random thought: A worse fate than death would be to be purged of all of your senses, but kept alive for a significant amount of time.

Yay random, morbid thoughts...

If we subtract all senses, can we really call him alive?

Well, you're techinically alive as far as the real world is concerned; it's like when you're in a coma. The only difference is that you're very much alive and awake, but you can't see, you can't hear, you can't speak, you can't smell, and you can't feel.

Speech isn't a sense >_>...And if someone was only suddenly stripped of their senses, it's not like they were deaf all their life and wouldn't know speech, they'd still be able to talk, they just might yell a lot.
Also, you wouldn't be able to taste anything, and that would suck.

You are right, Speech isn't a sense. But you need your sense to speak. That's the funny part.

I was only referring to the 5 senses (sight, sound, touch, taste, smell). The OP clarified her point to me though.

Than, would you like to answer the question? Can you call a senseless human Alive?

Well, if it were only the 5 senses, I would say definitely yes. But, if we're talking a truly senseless mind...since we can't really know what it's like to be in such a state (and we can't exactly ask someone who is, what it's like) I'd probably have to equate it to what it must feel like just before death. And, until we can fix such a state, why not push them that last little bit? But, I might be a little biased, since that's what I would prefer in that situation.
Just a coma on the other hand, give me a few months to try to bring myself out of it. If i can't do it by then, it's probably not gonna happen.
Then there's a "vegetative state," screw that, just take me out and make it quick. I don't want someone changing diapers on me at this point in my life.

Senseless as NO MORE SENSE EVER. You can't use them anymore, and it would most likely be what you refer as a vegetative state.

 

[Firoth]

Random thought: A worse fate than death would be to be purged of all of your senses, but kept alive for a significant amount of time.

Yay random, morbid thoughts...

If we subtract all senses, can we really call him alive?

Well, you're techinically alive as far as the real world is concerned; it's like when you're in a coma. The only difference is that you're very much alive and awake, but you can't see, you can't hear, you can't speak, you can't smell, and you can't feel.

Speech isn't a sense >_>...And if someone was only suddenly stripped of their senses, it's not like they were deaf all their life and wouldn't know speech, they'd still be able to talk, they just might yell a lot.
Also, you wouldn't be able to taste anything, and that would suck.

You are right, Speech isn't a sense. But you need your sense to speak. That's the funny part.

I was only referring to the 5 senses (sight, sound, touch, taste, smell). The OP clarified her point to me though.

Than, would you like to answer the question? Can you call a senseless human Alive?

Well, if it were only the 5 senses, I would say definitely yes. But, if we're talking a truly senseless mind...since we can't really know what it's like to be in such a state (and we can't exactly ask someone who is, what it's like) I'd probably have to equate it to what it must feel like just before death. And, until we can fix such a state, why not push them that last little bit? But, I might be a little biased, since that's what I would prefer in that situation.
Just a coma on the other hand, give me a few months to try to bring myself out of it. If i can't do it by then, it's probably not gonna happen.
Then there's a "vegetative state," screw that, just take me out and make it quick. I don't want someone changing diapers on me at this point in my life.

EDIT: I'm not entirely happy with this opinion, but, it would probably take hours of thought and writing to make one that I was. Technically speaking, even plants are alive, but, then you have to bring consciousness into the debate. If we're talking animals, technically anything with a pulse and brain activity is alive, it just comes down to the quality of that life and whether we'd want to experience it.