RBG’s dead and Mitch is gonna do it

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How am I gambling away too much? I already expected stupid shit to happen when they let Trump win in 2016 and didn't think it was a big deal. You are expecting people to turn into Dumbledore at the last second and pull off the impossible when the best we can hope for at this point is a clear victory for Biden, an senate gains in 2 years to fix the mess the " no voters" made. I am saying we have to win here and get a majority at mid terms if we have ANY hope of making ANYTHING better otherwise expect it rough for the long haul, adapt to just barely survive. But hey, I tried to tell people what was up, they blew it off. STILL blow it off. Expecting Pelosi to pull off a Simone Biles triple double at her age with a divided bickering house is like expecting pigs to fly.
Maybe she shouldn’t be house leader then. Maybe that too is the fault of leaders and not the masses. Maybe they’re the failures. Consider that for one goddamn second rather than presuming they are all perfect geniuses until their failings can be their defense.
You can't make someone BE a politician when they do not want to JUST because they married one. It is absurd to think you can. They can't change the ticket anyhow at this point, they have already been printed/mailed. Deadlines are over.
They should’ve and could’ve selected her back in August. Nothing was stopping them. Given that RBG’s cancer was discovered in like March, they knew all of this was coming.
DO you think they are fine with it? What are they going to do? try to hold the election hostage like Trump? They either respect their democracy and validate our elections or they don't regardless of how we want it to turn out.
Yes. Anything. Yes.
 

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You are expecting people to turn into Dumbledore at the last second


So, the Democratic Party is officially fine with having a 6-3 conservative court by placing a clearly partisan religious operative on it.

How absolutely gutless typical
Well it means they don't have to worry if they pass anything meaningful, they can just rely on the court to undo it.
 

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Maybe she shouldn’t be house leader then. Maybe that too is the fault of leaders and not the masses. Maybe they’re the failures. Consider that for one goddamn second rather than presuming they are all perfect geniuses until their failings can be their defense.

They should’ve and could’ve selected her back in August. Nothing was stopping them. Given that RBG’s cancer was discovered in like March, they knew all of this was coming.

Yes. Anything. Yes.
Nothing stopping them except MICHELLE REFUSED. She declined. You can't make her when she said NO. Hell No. Not going to happen and if you keep asking me I'm going to catch the next flight to the other side of the world and stop answering my damn phone level of NO. That is how this works in reality. Michele made it CRYSTAL clear she has no interest in politics. They could have aske Beyoncé, she might have said yes.

Let's se masses ignore what the leaders tell them they need them to do, then right as the clock approaches catastrophe, you expect her to miraculously drum up all the support that the masses intentionally eroded to divide the house into nonstop bickering so she doesn't have it when she needs it? Yea, OKAY. Makes sense. Democrats can't stop infighting to save anything right now because progressives can't manage to pull it together long enough to get anything done where conservatives can get evangelicals to put Jesus away to follow Satan himself at this point. Divided we fall. It is amazing no one can remember that.
 

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Nothing stopping them except MICHELLE REFUSED. She declined. You can't make her when she said NO. Hell No. Not going to happen and if you keep asking me I'm going to catch the next flight to the other side of the world and stop answering my damn phone level of NO. That is how this works in reality. Michele made it CRYSTAL clear she has no interest in politics. They could have aske Beyoncé, she might have said yes.

Let's se masses ignore what the leaders tell them they need them to do, then right as the clock approaches catastrophe, you expect her to miraculously drum up all the support that the masses intentionally eroded to divide the house into nonstop bickering so she doesn't have it when she needs it? Yea, OKAY. Makes sense. Democrats can't stop infighting to save anything right now because progressives can't manage to pull it together long enough to get anything done where conservatives can get evangelicals to put Jesus away to follow Satan himself at this point. Divided we fall. It is amazing no one can remember that.
Then fuck Michelle. She is a gravedigger of democracy. So is Pelosi. They’ve failed us all. Go buy a gun.
 

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DO you think they are fine with it? What are they going to do? try to hold the election hostage like Trump? They either respect their democracy and validate our elections or they don't regardless of how we want it to turn out.
There is no point taking the high road when there is no outside authority waiting to intervene when the other side commits a foul. This isn't a sport. This is a knife fight, and the Democratic Party keeps losing because they cannot or will not accept that. The GOP clearly does not care if they are called hypocrites, because who's gonna try and stop them? Certainly not the Supreme Court, who they're currently getting to 6-3 and can reasonably expect at least a 5-4 decision in their favor when the election results get disputed.
 

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Then fuck Michelle. She is a gravedigger of democracy. So is Pelosi. They’ve failed us all. Go buy a gun.
1) I have a glock 40 myself.
2) She is no more a gravedigger of democracy than you are. You want to run for office? Move to a gop district we need to flip and do it.
3) Pelosi has done more for us than people realize. How many others proposed or supported UBI over a decade ago? Would you want her job? Could you even manage to do her job?
 

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There is no point taking the high road when there is no outside authority waiting to intervene when the other side commits a foul. This isn't a sport. This is a knife fight, and the Democratic Party keeps losing because they cannot or will not accept that. The GOP clearly does not care if they are called hypocrites, because who's gonna try and stop them? Certainly not the Supreme Court, who they're currently getting to 6-3 and can reasonably expect at least a 5-4 decision in their favor when the election results get disputed.
How long would they even be able to prevent Mitch from doing what he wants? He has ignored procedures and rule and does what he wants. He gets to set his own agenda. He just tables Pelosi's crap as he has been for years now and could care less what procedure says. We don't have enough senate democrats to block the vote, they don't need any democrats at all and have ample republican's to spare. They always go through this " tension building do they have the votes?" like the build up before a golf swing.. and then everyone caves. We haven't had a real senate fight among the GOP themselves since McCain died after he saved healthcare. ANY dissention among the GOP died with him. No one else has the balls to stand up to trump or McConnell. Hell Lindsey Graham has been lost up Trump's arsehole ever since. When democrats do not have the numbers and have NOTHING to bribe any GOP senators with anymore, they don't have any real ability to stop it from happening.
 

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1) I have a glock 40 myself.
2) She is no more a gravedigger of democracy than you are. You want to run for office? Move to a gop district we need to flip and do it.
3) Pelosi has done more for us than people realize. How many others proposed or supported UBI over a decade ago? Would you want her job? Could you even manage to do her job?
1) cool
2) no, I’m not a multi-millionaire and one of the most powerful people in the country with national recognition and political connections. I am in no way comparable to the people with power in our country who wield it to solely their own benefit and enrichment.
3) Me. I supported it over a decade ago. Also, fucking Milton Friedman. So fuck off with that noise. And I would not want her job as I in no way desire to wield power over my fellow man for my own benefit. I am neither a sadist nor an heir to an ice cream fortune. But I do think I would be better at it given enough time and similar resources as I am not a senile septuagenarian.
 

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How long would they even be able to prevent Mitch from doing what he wants? He has ignored procedures and rule and does what he wants. He gets to set his own agenda. He just tables Pelosi's crap as he has been for years now and could care less what procedure says. We don't have enough senate democrats to block the vote, they don't need any democrats at all and have ample republican's to spare. They always go through this " tension building do they have the votes?" like the build up before a golf swing.. and then everyone caves. We haven't had a real senate fight among the GOP themselves since McCain died after he saved healthcare. ANY dissention among the GOP died with him. No one else has the balls to stand up to trump or McConnell. Hell Lindsey Graham has been lost up Trump's arsehole ever since. When democrats do not have the numbers and have NOTHING to bribe any GOP senators with anymore, they don't have any real ability to stop it from happening.
McCain didn’t have the balls to stand up to Trump or McConnel and regularly worked with them. I spit on his racist warmongering grave.
 
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1) cool
2) no, I’m not a multi-millionaire and one of the most powerful people in the country with national recognition and political connections. I am in no way comparable to the people with power in our country who wield it to solely their own benefit and enrichment.
3) Me. I supported it over a decade ago. Also, fucking Milton Friedman. So fuck off with that noise. And I would not want her job as I in no way desire to wield power over my fellow man for my own benefit. I am neither a sadist nor an heir to an ice cream fortune. But I do think I would be better at it given enough time and similar resources as I am not a senile septuagenarian.
If we don't have anyone who's willing to do it? what do you expect to happen? The people who want it are the people we need to keep it away from and no one else wants anything to do with it.
 

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If we don't have anyone who's willing to do it? what do you expect to happen? The people who want it are the people we need to keep it away from and no one else wants anything to do with it.
Maybe that means electoralism is a spiraling abyss into torment and we should do fucking anything else.
 

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Maybe that means electoralism is a spiraling abyss into torment and we should do fucking anything else.
Counterpoint: everything is awesome, and you're only panicking about everything because it's an excuse to push more communism.
 

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Crime butchers innocence to secure a throne, and innocence struggles with all its might against the attempts of crime.
Counterpoint: innocence doesn't struggle with much, it's actually very peaceful. You create your own struggles in your own mind through your own faults.
 

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When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.
Have you considered an option without fear? I don't fear the government, and the government doesn't fear me, and it's not exactly hell on earth.
 

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Have you considered an option without fear? I don't fear the government, and the government doesn't fear me, and it's not exactly hell on earth.
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.
 
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