Re-Take The Cabin

[Risingblade]

Oh Bob it's like you want me to hate you

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

Glad you can't make an article without actively insulting fanbases Bob. It's really getting old.

Anybody who is part of the take back Mass Effect movement deserves to be insulted. It is a group of immature and entitled brats who think that a company making a bad sequel is some kind of an injustice.

 

[Avatar Roku]

Oh Bob it's like you want me to hate you

Same here. Bob, I want to like you. I've watched you for a long time, back since you were only the Game Overthinker. I was thrilled when you were picked up by The Escapist (despite your first Big Picture being about how the Master Chief is actually a Nazi, that was pretty WTF worthy), and for a while, it worked out quite well. More recently, though, you seem intent on just taking a contrary opinion for the sake of it and then being unable to justify it, between your stance on Other M and ME3 (for the record, I've read good defenses of both games. Yours were not among them).

Christ, what kind of parallel universe is this when fucking Jim Sterling can take a position closer to the middle than you?

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

To all those who claim Bob missed the point of the re-take movement I have to ask, what IS the point? All I see is that hipsteresque "You just don't get it" and little else. I'm thinking about sending you guys some plaid shirts with some eyeglasses with thick frames.

 

[Avatar Roku]

Glad you can't make an article without actively insulting fanbases Bob. It's really getting old.

Anybody who is part of the take back Mass Effect movement deserves to be insulted. It is a group of immature and entitled brats who think that a company making a bad sequel is some kind of an injustice.

To reiterate what others have said: their are twats in the Retake movement. Nobody denies that. But there are twats in any movement, and the non-twats in this one (which is most people in the movement) have been fairly reasonable. They (remember, I'm speaking of the non-twats here) have not been demanding a new ending, they have simply been pointing out that the one we have is bad, and given the Better Business Bureau's stance [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.366565-BioWare-Falsely-Advertised-Mass-Effect-3#14281832], that might not be so unreasonable.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

If I'm given the perfect 3-course meal, but the dessert is a literal pile of shit, I'm not going to eat the shit and be happy with the amazing meal I just ate. I'm going to complain about the shit. I'm going to make a fuss. I'm going to demand my money back, and then never eat at that restaurant again. But no, I'm being entitled and should just shut up and eat it, right?

That is the best metaphor for Retake that I've seen. It's a damn sad state of affairs that we're fed shit for desert so often and that demanding a fitting desert after such a satisfying meal is now 'entitlement.' Demanding consistency and artistic integrity (like being able to justify the ending) is not too much to ask.

[small]Though, seriously, the FTC suit is a bit much...[/small]

Or you could just, I dunno. Not eat the shit dessert. Desserts tend to be an optional thing to begin with, and we could all do with a few less empty calories.

But you won't will you? It's not that you won't eat there ever again. You'll ***** and ***** and ***** for well over a month. You'll bring it up multiple times in forums that already have people bitching about the shit dessert and completely overtake the front page.

Or you could spend that time making a metaphor that doesn't suck so very hard.

 

[AMVP]

The metaphors in Cabin in the Woods are fine on the whole Audience/Filmakers dynamic... or at least it would be if there was a cevat that the ways they made sacrifices in the first place worked so they did it ad neaseum until the Elder Gods couldn't tolerate anything different, so they dug their own hole with the formula.

I think having the overused cliches rise up against their creators in the third act was a fairly effective conveyance of that very hole digging you mentioned. The one guy even gets killed by his dream scenario (the Merman), the equivalent of a filmmaker getting a chance at a dream project and having it bomb.

 

[keserak]

To all those who claim Bob missed the point of the re-take movement I have to ask, what IS the point? All I see is that hipsteresque "You just don't get it" and little else. I'm thinking about sending you guys some plaid shirts with some eyeglasses with thick frames.

Now, Bob, see this guy? This is the guy who makes you seem just as crappy as the twats you quoted at the end of your article. You all look like the same demographic. "I didn't understand that, I think that says something about me, so I hate it, waaaaaaaah!" In your efforts to manufacture parallels between Mass Effect and Cabin In the Woods, you instead created legitimate comparisons between the horrible audience of mainstream horror flicks and the smarmy critics in the Mass Effect controversy. That can't be what you're going for here.

Even the guy's insult proves too much. Sitting on high and declaring, in holier-than-thou fashion, that other people are too arrogant? I have to believe the quoted poster was wearing flannel when he wrote the above.

 

[wintercoat]

If I'm given the perfect 3-course meal, but the dessert is a literal pile of shit, I'm not going to eat the shit and be happy with the amazing meal I just ate. I'm going to complain about the shit. I'm going to make a fuss. I'm going to demand my money back, and then never eat at that restaurant again. But no, I'm being entitled and should just shut up and eat it, right?

That is the best metaphor for Retake that I've seen. It's a damn sad state of affairs that we're fed shit for desert so often and that demanding a fitting desert after such a satisfying meal is now 'entitlement.' Demanding consistency and artistic integrity (like being able to justify the ending) is not too much to ask.

[small]Though, seriously, the FTC suit is a bit much...[/small]

Yes, the FTC suit was a bit silly, but it was one guy and a clear grab for attention. The same goes for the people who wanted refunds from the Child's Play. We all agree that they're a bunch of asshats, but it was just a few people, not this giant group that people make it out to be.

 

[Avatar Roku]

To all those who claim Bob missed the point of the re-take movement I have to ask, what IS the point? All I see is that hipsteresque "You just don't get it" and little else. I'm thinking about sending you guys some plaid shirts with some eyeglasses with thick frames.

Now, Bob, see this guy? This is the guy who makes you seem just as crappy as the twats you quoted at the end of your article. You all look like the same demographic. "I didn't understand that, I think that says something about me, so I hate it, waaaaaaaah!" In your efforts to manufacture parallels between Mass Effect and Cabin In the Woods, you instead created legitimate comparisons between the horrible audience of mainstream horror flicks and the smarmy critics in the Mass Effect controversy. That can't be what you're going for here.

Even the guy's insult proves too much. Sitting on high and declaring, in holier-than-thou fashion, that other people are too arrogant? I have to believe the quoted poster was wearing flannel when he wrote the above.

Sooo, rather than explain to me the point of the movement, you choose to be an insulting little prick? And people wonder why the re-take movement has the critics it does.

If I can step in here, I'd be happy to explain. However, this thread is getting derailed enough, care to take it to PMs?

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

To all those who claim Bob missed the point of the re-take movement I have to ask, what IS the point? All I see is that hipsteresque "You just don't get it" and little else. I'm thinking about sending you guys some plaid shirts with some eyeglasses with thick frames.

Now, Bob, see this guy? This is the guy who makes you seem just as crappy as the twats you quoted at the end of your article. You all look like the same demographic. "I didn't understand that, I think that says something about me, so I hate it, waaaaaaaah!" In your efforts to manufacture parallels between Mass Effect and Cabin In the Woods, you instead created legitimate comparisons between the horrible audience of mainstream horror flicks and the smarmy critics in the Mass Effect controversy. That can't be what you're going for here.

Even the guy's insult proves too much. Sitting on high and declaring, in holier-than-thou fashion, that other people are too arrogant? I have to believe the quoted poster was wearing flannel when he wrote the above.

Sooo, rather than explain to me the point of the movement, you choose to be an insulting little prick? And people wonder why the re-take movement has the critics it does.

If I can step in here, I'd be happy to explain. However, this thread is getting derailed enough, care to take it to PMs?

Yeah. Sure. I'm cool with that.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

If only the ENDING wasn't so insulting

Which doesn't even come close to justifying the behavior I've seen. Shit endings are everywhere. The retakes deserve ridicule for being ridiculous.

If I'm given the perfect 3-course meal, but the dessert is a literal pile of shit, I'm not going to eat the shit and be happy with the amazing meal I just ate. I'm going to complain about the shit. I'm going to make a fuss. I'm going to demand my money back, and then never eat at that restaurant again. But no, I'm being entitled and should just shut up and eat it, right?

Oh look it's this metaphor again. Meals are not art, some chefs at fancy restaurants may call there meals art, but you don't go into a restaurant looking for entertainment or art, you go there because you're hungry. Food is a product, not an art. Some gamers feel that games aren't art and should be treated like products. You aren't entitled to a good ending, you are entitled to whatever Bioware gives you. If the ending is bad, well that's it, it's bad, but it's the ending they wanted to make. You don't have creative control and you shouldn't "force" Bioware into caving into your demands.

You know what, that chef is entitled to make whatever the fuck he wants, and he wants to have that steak you wanted to be raw just at the tip, so that by the time you reach it, it'll be disgusting and undone. Whatcha gonna do? Complain? Oh man, you're just, like, so entitled and whiny, you already had MOST of the steak! Didn't like what you paid for? Too bad.

I'm liking this metaphor thing.

Actually, Chef's are NOT entitled to make whatever they want. They actually DO have to adhere to what the customer wants. That STILL doesn't work though. A chef has to work with personalized orders while a videogame has to go out for a much wider audience. If they tried to please everyone you'd just end up with a mess on par with ET for the 2600.

 

[algalon]

I love the way this thread is evolving. "interesting thread. But you insulted me!" Next paragraph "Mass Effect 3 I HAS FURY!"

Bob didn't insult you. This movie was not aimed specifically to spoof the ME3 debate - the game didn't exist when the movie was created. But the narrative fit the debate like a glove. So it was just an odd coincidence that the movie was released on the heels of this big fan protest when a company decided to step away from established formula. The point is completely lost on some people I guess.

Someone in this thread is definitely failing to understand, I'll grant you that. Please go up the thread and read my post about "bad versus broken" to get where most (civilized) people stand on the ending. Yes, there are twats. There always are. Keserak addresses that point in the post directly above yours.

Anyway, once you've read those points, then come back. There is a massive difference here, and it's not based around "like/don't like".

I read your post. All you managed to do was make my point for me.